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Bond doesn't ask to be taken to his 'adoptive brother' in Belmarsh....in fact I can't recall the word brother being used at all in NTTD....so where exactly does tricking the audience come into play?
The amazing legs of this film at the box-office prove that the word of mouth is very good. That’s it.
EON meant audiences to think that Dalton and Moore's Bond had both been married to Tracy, so I wouldn't agree. Audiences 35+ years ago would simply have been confused if Bond died, whereas audiences today are used to franchises continually rebooting and they pay far more attention to continuity.
If the next Bond actor is popular enough that probably will become a tradition.
Do you have a crystal ball?
It doesn't matter if they don't use those specific words. Blofeld flat out says that he killed his father because he preferred Bond over him and wanted him treated as a little brother. It's in the dialogue.
Giving the hero and villain a common origin is a shallow and comic bookish way of trying to generate drama where there isn't any. They could have just had Blofeld be Blofeld, a supervillain who wants to control global surveillance who has no personal connection to Bond, and had basically the same movie.
No. I only use simple logic. Killing off Bond is a big deal and they know it. If they end up repeating it all over again, his death will start to mean nothing. It’s just plain obvious.
In fairness, after Blofeld's death, Q does remark on account of the nanobots that "it's a good thing you're not actually related."
I was so happy that line was in there. Despite the fact it was made extremely clear in SP he was only a FOSTER brother, everyone somehow assumed it was step brother. BIG difference. Don’t even know how that got started.
Blofeld calls Bond his “brother” at the Cuba party. Anyway only Blofeld is obsessed with this notion, Bond never gave a **** even in SP.
Oooh, I better give that part another watch ~O)
Yep, Blofeld is the only one who cares. He's a very effective villain that way, he made everyone very upset with his foster brother nonsense!
Can I prove it? Lol. Yeah, I proved it by taking the time, about 3 to 4 hours and poured over various sites, etc. @MakeshiftPython, you seem to think that people have a fever or something if they don’t like NTTD. Just look through the sources I mentioned and check it out for yourself. There are a lot of Bond fans that don’t like NTTD. And there’s plenty of reasons not to like it.
And it would have been much better.
It doesn't make that particular subplot any less daft for my money, though.
@sworddevil1 … the only criticism that counts in the film industry is $ and cents…. NTTD is making this bank because of return/repeat viewers (and with Bond, audiences do skew older, aka those not rushing back to cinemas); this film is a hit. Period…. Sorry it doesn’t fit into your narrative
Oh I think the entire "Brofeld" thing is unbelievably stupid, I just think NTTD did about as good a job as it could have in shoving it aside while still not going the Diamonds Are Forever route of pretending the previous film doesn't exist.
That’s not my point. I didn’t like it either like everyone else, but to me it still would have been even worse and I just wish more people paid attention.
Bond resigning from the service was also once a big deal, along with him genuinely falling in love. Anyway, if each Bond actor exists in a separate continuity, why would the death of one render the other's meaningless?
I agree. It's a shame they pigeon holed themselves in that way, but they handled it quite well all things considered.
No, that's fair enough @FoxRox. There's been a lot of arguments since 2015 that amount to semantics, and all can be stemmed back to the terrible writing. Step-brother or foster brother, it's all the same to me.
With a better script, TWINE would and should have been Brosnan's crowning achievement as Bond. It's his third, and in an alternate universe, it is his best.
Yep, I heard it....just before the killer-cooties come raining down....
For the most part, opinion decides if a movie is good or bad, and a way of determining opinion is how much money something makes.
Also, F9 is not a good comparison. People know going in that a Fast & Furious movie will be ridiculous and stupid, which is why they go and see them.
NTTD is doing far better than your Twitter/Facebook crowd would have you believe. I know that from asking actual people who saw it at the theater at the same time I did.
Some people will like it, some people will not.
Agree that F9 is ridiculous and stupid. Will NTTD win any awards? We’ll see, but I doubt it. In reality, there’s no way to prove if any movie is good, great, a classic, or it is just plain ****. However, truly great films endure, and gain momentum and respect over time. Academy Award nominations, Golden Globes, etc. sure do help the legitimacy of a film. Will NTTD get 7 or 8 Academy Award noms? I highly doubt it. Will it get 1 or 2? Shaky odds. Did it make $? That is even subjective right now as well; this movie cost a ton of $. Ever since Disney got...”peeved” over The Last Jedi, it has put rules and restrictions on audience member ratings. Who really knows what is or isn’t accurate today on these aggregators and site polls? I can read people’s comments, and most that I’ve read are negative toward NTTD. Not all, but most. I’d say at least 65%. I’m not going to tally it up, so it’s my estimation. The Last Jedi made a lot of $...ask Star Wars fans about it. You’ll get a strong reaction either way. And mostly negative I’d bet. Audience scores on RT used to be a good measure of fan love/hate for a movie. Until the powers that be didn’t like the results.
I haven't watched a single Brozza Bond movie from start to finish since 2005...and would rather use the DAD disc from my blu-ray set as a coaster or frisbee than actually watch it, because it is that pathetic.
So if some of these lot want to harp and moan and groan about NTTD....whatever floats their bloody boat....lol
You’d think that would be enough to end most of the sillier debates right there.