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None of that disproves it’s a different timeline.
Felix walking with both legs is enough to shut down the theory that Craig was the same guy.
That’s your hang up. Not mine.
Yet many had no issues with inserting Daniel Craig into GoldenEye and reliving past missions of the previous actors in video games.
Daniel's era was all about destroying the Bond tropes of yesteryear and answering fan questions of What if Bond had a kid, got shot, died etc.
It's to do with the way we've approached fictional characters in literature for hundreds of years, and movies also, (until recently). If it's a 'hang up' then it's one based on the ages old relationship in art, between the narrator and the audience, an the trust that builds between the two that creates emotional attachment in a single fictional 'character'.
What is a character worth, if it can be killed, then simply bought back in the next installment? How is the reader/viewer expected to care about the fiction existence of such a character?
If I'm unhappy with what they've done, at least listen to my reasons, which I think are valid, even though you don't think they're important. Don't just accuse me of having a 'hang up'.
Agreed @00Heaven ... And I truly have enjoyed reading the critics of NTTD; I may not agree with what they're saying, but what they say has value and made me think about why I feel something about the same film, but the end result for me was positive....
But there are others who seem to push their dislike at every opportunity and it's spread into other, unrelated threads.
@ColonelAdamski I must admit when I see you've posted, I get ready for another jab at the film that is recycled from all of your posts that have come before, but; not everything I said was directed at you specifically. I was observing the general traits of the haters....
However, I do appreciate your passion for the films, books, history of the character. It is clear you have intelligent and very strong opinions about this creation, and I can admire that.
Like I said, that’s your problem. Most people perfectly understands the conceit that Craig’s films were a reboot and that the next guy will be another reboot. It’s not exactly a brand new concept that different iterations of characters have different timelines. Nobody confuses the continuity of 90s animated Batman with the movies.
The video games aren’t canon.
For example before CR was properly filmed and released in 2006, to my mind ALL the actors from Connery to Brosnan played Bond with the Vesper story in the background. I didn't need it presented to me on screen, it's cooked into the character and is what makes sense of him, defines him. And it will be simmering under the surface for future actors in the Bond role whether or not it's presented on screen or referenced in dialogue. Simple.
So the Craig Bond era had an unusually close focus on character I enjoyed, benefiting from the Ian Fleming story being available to set things up. They mined gold from it. It builds up the franchise and my enjoyment of the previous films the way OHMSS and LTK did and do. And I'm ready for more.
Thanks for that Peter. And in response I will happily admit I've beaten the same drum too many times since I re-joined on here. In the past few weeks I've tried to contribute to other threads, and not just wring my hands about NTTD.
I think the trouble is, people see a new name here and someone coming in all negative all the time, and they have no idea about their investment in the character. I don't think I took that into consideration.
Now, it's almost Xmas day (three minutes!) and I have one, or maybe two new Fleming Folio editions for me tomorrow, hopefully, so here's wishing everyone a happy Xmas, and I hope Santa swells your collection with something Bondian!
I’ll be the first to admit I made that assumption/poor judgement. It does seem like you have a heavy investment in the stories and fair reasons for not liking NTTD. Thanks for continuously responding and being patient. It seems like you’ll contribute a lot of value to the forums.
I hope you end up with some new Folios! I’ve got a few now and they’re gorgeous editions.
I, for one, prefer a message of love rather than a message of hate. But each to their own, obviously... ;)
OHMSS may have a bleak ending.But at least James Bond is alive to continue on.And as tragic as Traceys death is,instead of meeting her end by suicide,she was saved by Bond and for a short,but joyous time,she fell in love and was truly happy.
Bond is dead by the end of NTTD.His family lives on but Bond is dead.
Yep. Well stated, sir!
In OHMSS Bond loses and Blofeld wins.
That's the next movie, by the way.... ;)
Plus who wants to step forward and tell the Leiter family that HE didn't save the world one last time.
Maybe because of the portrait of a previous non-Craig-Bond M on the wall?
"No Time To Die features another special M Easter egg. The movie reveals that MI6 headquarters in Whitehall has portraits of two previous Ms; Judi Dench and the M played by Robert Brown. In the previous Bond continuity, Brown was M in four films and oversaw two 007s, Roger Moore in Octopussy and A View To A Kill and Timothy Dalton in The Living Daylights and License To Kill. Brown died in 1989, a few months after License To Kill's theatrical release. However, by virtue of his portrait appearing in No Time To Die, Brown's M officially joins the canon of Craig's Bond movies, and the character is likely the immediate predecessor of Judi Dench's M.
Why Bernard Lee didn't also receive a portrait in No Time To Die isn't known but it's possible that implying there were a total of four Ms across five Craig Bond movies may have been considered too many."
I don't get this 'he's not the same "character"' stuff, he's James Bond, the guy from the Ian Fleming books isn't he? He's not Jason Bourne or Ethan Hunt.
He's always the same "character", but just as I can accept him moving from the 1950s to the 1990s and beyond, or aging from his 30s to his 50s and then back to his 30s, or being played by three different actors in consecutive movies, I can accept that he got killed this time around
James Bond is always the "character" and always reflects certain aspects of Fleming, if not always as much as one would like or emphasising particular aspects as much as another might like.
Benedict Cumberbatch isn't Jeremy Brett, isn't Peter Cushing, isn't Basil Rathbone, but they all end up at Baskerville Hall in the end.
Adam West isn't Michael Keaton, isn't Val Kilmer, isn't George Cooney, isn't Christian Bale, isn't Ben Affleck, isn't Robert Pattinson...
And we don't need any "Spider-Man, No Way Home" to try and link it all together into a wacky multiverse
They all exist as versions of the same thing, as interpreted by different people
Nothing more, nothing less
Yep. A nod to previous Bond films for Bond fans and that's it. I thought they had a Bernard Lee portrait in this film as well, but just not seen in the final film? Across from Robert Brown, perhaps?
Personally I agree, because I don't think of there being any meaningful continuity between Bond eras at all
But if people want to discuss continuity and insist that Craig's is somehow separate from all the others, or more separate than any of the others, then there is the portrait, up on the wall, refuting their argument.
You guys remind me of Austin Powers after his wife exploded.
What? It’s a better rationale than NTTD ending in a way that is in line with Fleming. It isn’t.
I like your thinking...
Vesper's mausoleum was actually his Tardis, but then it got blown up and he knew that sooner or later it was going to be the end of the line for him...
Lol what.
I think we’re on to something here. What if, wait for it..... what if Safin’s island is Trenzalore?
You don't think anything less than a fuel-air explosion or a nuke could get rid of all the millions of nanobots, do you? It was just a big, hot sneeze that killed most of them, but spread the rest out.
Nerds. ;)
I saw the film five times on the cinema, and I was consciously looking for a prtrait og Lee the last four times without finding it. I think it is strange to leave him out, the most classic M of them all. I don't really know what the justification was for that.