NO TIME TO DIE (2021) - First Reactions vs. Current Reactions

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  • Posts: 328
    Saw this on Instagram and chuckled.

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  • VenutiusVenutius Yorkshire
    Posts: 3,154
    When you put it like that...
  • edited March 2022 Posts: 1,085
    I miss the old screen Bond.
  • RichardTheBruceRichardTheBruce I'm motivated by my Duty.
    Posts: 13,901
    Who's crying?
  • MajorDSmytheMajorDSmythe "I tolerate this century, but I don't enjoy it."Moderator
    edited March 2022 Posts: 13,999
    Brosnan would have had a Kevlar Umbrella, which he opens out as the missiles rain down around him. Along with a cheesy pun, naturally. ;)
  • VenutiusVenutius Yorkshire
    Posts: 3,154
    :D
  • SIS_HQSIS_HQ At the Vauxhall Headquarters
    edited March 2022 Posts: 3,800
    Saw No Time to Die many times,
    Not the best, but certainly not the worst either, middle of the pack for me.

    PROS:
    The Jamaica and the Cuba Scene, I quite liked Nomi, she's fun, Paloma is stunning and very classical bond girl, the cinematography, the action sequence in Matera, some of the music I liked:
    The Norway Chase, Shouldn't We Get To Know Each Other First, and Zimmer's bond theme is great, I felt a bit sad at Felix Leiter's death, the MI6 regulars are all great, Q being the best of them all, but the best thing here is Daniel Craig himself, he acted it on spades! I think the ending really works well, Craig makes sure that there's no leftovers, his death left me in shock, like Fleming said, Bond can't have a family, the reason why Fleming killed Vesper and Tracy, Tiffany Case left him for another man, and why Bond goes to Vladivostok instead of living with Kissy Suzuki, he's born to protect England.

    CONS:
    The relationship between Bond and Madeleine, I don't buy it because they have no chemistry and the age gap, Madeleine tried to be Tracy or Vesper, but fell short
    Bond's suspicion of Madeleine was poorly handled, would have been better if it's Quantum instead of SPECTRE in the PTS.
    Once it gets to London, things went downhill from there, and things got me bored when Bond arrived in Norway.
    The daughter angle makes no sense.
    Safin has the potential to be a great Bond Villain, such a missed opportunity.
    The Nanobots plot is not written well, a bit messy.
    Valdo Obruchev is a one hell of a racist, I laughed at him at first viewing, but no longer in the subsequent viewings.
    It's like different storylines got mashed up in one movie.
    Blofeld death was laughable.
    The OHMSS callbacks felt unearned particularly the "We Have All The Time In The World", I associate that song with Bond and Tracy.

    Rating: 3/5

  • Jordo007Jordo007 Merseyside
    edited March 2022 Posts: 2,641
    @MI6HQ nice review mate. I agree with almost everything you said. I think it sits middle of the road for most fans I've seen.
    Repeat viewings haven't been kind to the film, in my opinion, perhaps I'm just too close to it
  • DoctorKaufmannDoctorKaufmann Can shoot you from Stuttgart and still make it look like suicide.
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    Brosnan would have had a Kevlar Umbrella, which he opens out as the missiles rain down around him. Along with a cheesy pun, naturally. ;)

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    Jimjambond wrote: »
    Saw this on Instagram and chuckled.

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    :))
  • RichardTheBruceRichardTheBruce I'm motivated by my Duty.
    Posts: 13,901
    Well really Bond didn't cry in his final moments did he.

    Though some did and still do.
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  • Jordo007Jordo007 Merseyside
    Posts: 2,641
    Well really Bond didn't cry in his final moments did he.

    Though some did and still do.
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    I was fighting back tears on opening night, I think it's the extreme close up of Bond, perfectly in time with the music, that does it
  • 00Heaven00Heaven Home
    Posts: 575
    I cry everytime I watch it but must admit these days it doesn't take much. I blame my age.
  • Posts: 1,394
    I didn’t cry when Bond died.I didn’t feel anything.
  • Posts: 1,085
    All those villains that tried to kill Bond and he beat them all, and he finally gets offed by the actor portraying him.
  • edited April 2022 Posts: 1,399
    I have to say, as for how silly and downright cringe the ending of DAD can be.. it is still a more classic send off for Brosnan's Bond. But comparing missiles to the face to in bed with Halle Berry, tough choice. ;)
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    I also felt nothing but annoyance.
  • Creasy47Creasy47 In Cuba with Natalya.Moderator
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    I have to say, as for how silly and downright cringe the ending of DAD can be.. it is still a more classic send off for Brosnan's Bond. But comparing missiles to the face to in bed with Halle Berry, tough choice. ;)

    One of the best sendoffs for the end of an era, really - enjoying a pile of diamonds and Halle Berry in an isolated, beachside hut? It doesn't get better than that (and is certainly nicer than being blown to bits).
  • echoecho 007 in New York
    edited April 2022 Posts: 6,356
    I have to say, as for how silly and downright cringe the ending of DAD can be.. it is still a more classic send off for Brosnan's Bond. But comparing missiles to the face to in bed with Halle Berry, tough choice. ;)

    Brosnan's Bond's last line should have been, "Jinx, you're just killing me with these puns."
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    Birdleson wrote: »
    I also felt nothing but annoyance.

    Completely. I wasn't 'in the film' in any way, shape or form. Such a difference to Casino Royale, where you felt for him, and were with him when he was only bruised and bleeding.
  • RichardTheBruceRichardTheBruce I'm motivated by my Duty.
    Posts: 13,901
    Creasy47 wrote: »
    I have to say, as for how silly and downright cringe the ending of DAD can be.. it is still a more classic send off for Brosnan's Bond. But comparing missiles to the face to in bed with Halle Berry, tough choice. ;)

    One of the best sendoffs for the end of an era, really - enjoying a pile of diamonds and Halle Berry in an isolated, beachside hut? It doesn't get better than that (and is certainly nicer than being blown to bits).

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  • Jordo007Jordo007 Merseyside
    Posts: 2,641
    I felt frustration and disappointment afterwards and in every subsequent viewing but that initial viewing I was hooked.
    I felt disappointment that they caved and killed Bond off, especially in the manner they did. It felt like a bad joke,

    I'd love to know what the producers feelings were, when the credits rolled during the premiere. A friend of mine went and said it was like a funeral, everyone was in stunned silence and disbelief. Hw told me the biggest cheer of the night was the James Bond will return at the end of the credits
  • edited April 2022 Posts: 1,085
    The decision to kill the movie Bond off after 60 years of great adventures, still leaves me baffled, and I'll never be happy with it. It was a misguided gimmick at best.
    What a shame.
    And it really does seem like the producers 'caved'. You're right.
  • SIS_HQSIS_HQ At the Vauxhall Headquarters
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    Me too, I didn't cried when he's killed off.

    The producers took a risk here by Killing Bond (and to a lesser extent giving him a child) and I have no problem with those ideas as long as they are handled properly, especially Bond's death.

    I'm not a fan of the ending because of the way it was handled and the set up, if the ending was handled better and properly, and the set up that preceded it was good also, I would have liked it.

    I mean all of the things that leads us to the ending or to Bond's death didn't make sense (Safin and the nanobots in particular) and seem to be forced, that makes the ending somehow anti-climactic and contrived.

    I have no problem with the idea of killing him off, as long as it was handled properly and the plot is also great.

    It was meant to be emotional and iconic, but no it didn't land.
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    Bond dying was just oddly... there, for me. First hearing about it I hated the idea, then when I saw it, I found myself not really moved in a good or bad way. I don't think it's the worst film tragedy ever as some do but I certainly don't find it great or original at all either. I just find it most bizarre this character I've come to love perhaps more than any other in fiction, with the first ever death scene in over 60 years of existence... and I feel almost nothing about it now one way or another.
  • SIS_HQSIS_HQ At the Vauxhall Headquarters
    edited April 2022 Posts: 3,800
    FoxRox wrote: »
    Bond dying was just oddly... there, for me. First hearing about it I hated the idea, then when I saw it, I found myself not really moved in a good or bad way. I don't think it's the worst film tragedy ever as some do but I certainly don't find it great or original at all either. I just find it most bizarre this character I've come to love perhaps more than any other in fiction, with the first ever death scene in over 60 years of existence... and I feel almost nothing about it now one way or another.

    True, to be honest, even the child angle, it just feels odd, exact word mate, Bizarre. I mean he has a child, he dies, it's weird, in the 60 years of James Bond, then suddenly when they made this move, I'm not impressed. I mean atleast for me, I just feel nothing at all.

    When I first saw both the introduction scene of Mathilde and Bond being killed by missiles, I asked myself "okay, so what's next? What are they going to do, perhaps a reboot, but Bond is dead how will they bring him back, and will Mathilde show up in the next films like M, Q, Moneypenny, Felix Leiter? A recurring character?, Will she be a villain, what will happen to her?"

    At my first viewing, I thought I'm watching a different movie and not a James Bond film, it's different.

    Same here @FoxRox
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    MI6HQ wrote: »
    FoxRox wrote: »
    Bond dying was just oddly... there, for me. First hearing about it I hated the idea, then when I saw it, I found myself not really moved in a good or bad way. I don't think it's the worst film tragedy ever as some do but I certainly don't find it great or original at all either. I just find it most bizarre this character I've come to love perhaps more than any other in fiction, with the first ever death scene in over 60 years of existence... and I feel almost nothing about it now one way or another.

    True, to be honest, even the child angle, it just feels odd, exact word mate, Bizarre. I mean he has a child, he dies, it's weird, in the 60 years of James Bond, then suddenly when they made this move, I'm not impressed. I mean atleast for me, I just feel nothing at all. At my first viewing, I thought I'm watching a different movie and not a James Bond film, it's different.

    Same here @FoxRox

    That's how I felt too watching it, strangely disconnected. When the death happened, it took me right out of the movie completely.

    I am finding it very hard to return to NTTD since. I don't think its a Bond classic that is endlessly rewatchable at all, and it has actually soured the Craig era now for me (which is a shame as I still have CR residing in my top 5).
  • CharmianBondCharmianBond Pett Bottom, Kent
    Posts: 558
    I watched it a few weeks after release and luckily I wasn't actively spoiled but the way everyone I talked to about was tiptoeing around talking about "the ending" I had an inkling Bond was going to die and I felt the emotional beats and I welled up at Bond's death but I find it hard to full on cry in the cinema around others. It was only when I got the film on home release and I'd sat with the film for a couple months that it really got to me.
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    But he'll be back, so there's no weight behind the death. It's not like anyone sat there thinking "oh my god he's dead so there'll be no more Bond movies". The death just meant some were puzzled, some were annoyed, and some were enjoying it because they're all on board with the 'alternate Bondverse' stuff. Someone even said on here that there'll be more tension in the series now, since we know Bond can die. I'm not sure how that works, when we know his 'death' can happen any time, then he'll be back in the next movie.
    What a mess.
    For me, Bond's 'death' was the biggest miss-step in the series since 'let's do You Only Live Twice next'.
  • SIS_HQSIS_HQ At the Vauxhall Headquarters
    edited April 2022 Posts: 3,800
    I'm thinking, if Bond didn't die, will the people still complain? Because for me, my issues with the film was not just Bond's death, I have many issues with the film.
    So, even if No Time To Die didn't end with Bond dying, I still not consider it as a good Bond Film, a great action movie yes, moreso than Fast and Furious, but as a Bond Film? No.
    My issue here was it's different, it doesn't feel like a Bond film, it's like a movie trying to copy the Bond films, not authentic.
    I'm criticizing Licence To Kill before because it doesn't look or feel like a Bond film, but now, No Time To Die made Licence To Kill a very Bondian bond film for me.
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