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Spot on. It's certainly happened to me.
Very true. I remember relentlessly analysing SF in the wake of that film’s release and the big debates it sparked on here. Really started to sour on it after a while. But when I watched it again for the first time in a while a few years later, I found myself being swept up in the atmosphere of it again, just like I was in the cinema. Suddenly the buzz it had was back and the plot holes didn’t seem like the end of the world anymore.
Or maybe the film isn’t all that great and it doesn’t stand up to scrutiny? Looking at the first reactions thread around the time of release,there seemed to be a lot of divisiveness over the film.More for the ending than anything else.
I think it will continue to be a divisive film.I think it’s a good movie and an improvement on Spectre and QOS,but that’s hardly a ringing endorsement.
I'm speaking about films as a whole; once the honeymoon phase ends, people are going to be more critical. I'm not insinuating everyone absolutely loved the film upon first watch, cause that's clearly not true.
I thought it'd top CR as my second favorite of the Craig era but the emotion and drama of the finale quickly wore off for me and it'll likely forever remain my third favorite (not a tough undertaking, considering my distaste for SF and especially SP).
I also liked the bonkers sci-fi nanobot plot too. It's like there's a good Bond film in there somewhere, colliding with this tragic action-romance thing.
My favourite bit was the Cuba plate throw/drink gulp. Made it feel like the classic era films in that one little bit.
The last time I watched NTTD, my heart sunk when Paloma says "this is my stop" to Bond because it feels like there's a great adventure there with her, rather than continuing on with wrapping things up from Spectre.
My only criticism of that sequence is it is a bit jarring, it terms of tone. I wish the action would have been more full on and less machine gunning. Still a highlight of the film for me
Agreed about the machine gunning bit. I tune out at that part, similar to how I feel with Craig's crater escape in SP. It just feels so hollow and empty, no real danger present.
The reuse of that particular cue and then as the credit song didn't sit well with me initially, but after watching OHMSS again, it really feels wrong to reuse that piece of music.
It's exquisite and whenever I hear it I think of Tracy, the same way I think of Vesper when I think of Vesper's theme.
I wish Zimmer would have reused Madeline's theme from Spectre or create something new for her and Bond's relationship, maybe then it would cement their relationship in my mind. Also it would discourage me from comparing her to Bond's previous loves
Mission Impossible already did both of those.
Yeah I quite liked her theme in Spectre, it would have been nice to reprise it NTTD. I would have liked them creating something new if they weren't going to reuse it, give Madeline something as memorable as WHATTITW or Vesper's theme. Zimmer is extremely talented and more than capable of creating something iconic
I think Zimmer probably just didn’t have enough time, he came onboard quite late in the game. I think the freedom they’ve given to directors has given us some cool visual stuff and interesting risks with the storytelling, but letting them choose the composer just doesn’t seem to work that well. Newman’s efforts were bland, and they wasted so much time with Dan Romer before sacking him.
I love some of the tracks on the soundtrack though, Not What I Expected, Cuba Chase and his new take on the Bond theme are amazing
Oh, of course. Just like the helicopter sequence in FRWL was already done in Hitchcock's North By Northwest and now GoldenEye's bike jump will be done in the upcoming Misson Impossible film. It all depends on execution...I think.
Led to me re-evaluating all the films really, and I have come to the conclusion I don’t much like Connery/Lazenby era, Moore is also his own thing (two really… some are more serious than others) and that Dalton onwards are constantly good and better overall (Though DAD was a huge misstep, and part of that was the silly stuff shoehorned in.) I even no longer mock the Blofeld Austin Powers stuff of the Craig era, because the rest of it is so much better, especially with CR and NTTD at either end.
So in many ways, NTTD is probably my favourite Bond film now, simply for what it did to the others.
Maybe when Madeleine denied to James that Mathilde was his daughter, Bond believed it but seems he wants to fix his relationship with Madeleine, Bond instead treats Mathilde like his daughter without knowing it's really his.
So Bond wants to fix his relationship with Madeleine and if it happens, maybe in his thought, he will treat Mathilde like his own daughter, so in that they can start a family and raised Mathilde like their own daughter.
Bond is an orphan, he already experienced it, being adopted and accepted by someone/his foster father (Hannes Oberhauser).
So he wants to do the same to Mathilde, treat her like his real daughter and be a father to her, like how Hannes Oberhauser treated him and raised him like his real son.
So in some scenes Bond was acting like a father to her.
So Bond only realized that Mathilde was his daughter when Safin revealed it to him, of course he would believe that because he already knew the connections between Safin and Madeleine, so when Bond saw Mathilde and Madeleine together, he felt again betrayed by her because she didn't told him the truth, she lied to him. Then when Bond encountered Nomi, Bond whispered to himself that it was his family.
That's only my theory.
NTTD is kind of like the film where everything happens, isn't it? OHMSS is the 'one where he gets married', MR is 'the one he goes into space'... and NTTD is the 'one where Felix dies, Bond has a daughter, and Bond dies'. It's the everything and the kitchen sink of Bond movies.
For what it's worth though @MI6HQ I did get the sense that Bond was acting as a Father figure early on not because he knew but as you said because he wanted to do right. So yes, I agree.