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Oh funny yes.
Except for David Niven. I do wonder how much Eon in NTTD looked to CR '67 for "inspiration," much like the '80s films hewed closely to Gardner's books.
Someone recently posted a big list of similarities between NTTD and CR'67 - it was quite an eye-opener!
Yes, that'll be the reason they won't give it up fully especially as money changed hands. It's part of their ideas pool for future Bond films now. For Eon there is no such thing as a bad idea unless it is truly awful, merely an idea to be deferred to another era and Bond actor. We've seen examples of this sort of thing across the Bond film series and most recently in NTTD where the idea to kill off all of SPECTRE first appeared in an unused script for TSWLM, albeit in a different and more politicised form. Still, an idea is an idea forever and little is ever thrown away by Eon short of making Dr No a monkey!
I've said it before, but for me that's the problem. If you notice the cinematography above everything else it's not doing its job correctly and isn't telling the story. Forget the technical elements, Deakin's work immerses you in the story but doesn't outshine it.
You've described the visuals of NTTD perfectly. Visually it's very exciting
Counterpoint: OHMSS.
OHMSS has some lighting flares but I wouldn't say the cinematography outshines the story and is very effective at immersing you in the world of the film. NTTD is far more stylised.
Good post.
Or he's like chasing something but he's not allowed to run, so he walked fast.
Or he's briskly walking because he's afraid of being late to work.
He walks like a businessman too, not a spy.
Maybe, it's just me?
Tell me if you've noticed the same.
Summary: I really didn't know what to expect from NTTD. Key elements of the plot was known to me before watching the film, but that didn't bother me much. Unlike SP and SF i found some highlights in NTTD, which is a big plus. However, I don't think this is a film I will feel the need to revisit any time soon though, as it only gave me that "Bond feel" in certain places. At times it felt like I was watching an action film featuring Daniel Craig, not a Bond film with Daniel Craig – something I do feel watching CR or QoS. I will be placing NTTD at 23rd, ahead of SF (24) and SP (25) for now. It's not bad, it just doesn't give me that thrill of watching a Bond film.
5/10
Oh, I never made a note about Madeleine after watching the film. She definitely works much better here than in SP, but even so, it's not a character I've managed to like. There's just something…missing. Can't really put my finger on what.
Agreed, when you compare her to Vesper or Tracy or even Octopussy, she really fell short.
She's also not one of my favorites, but she's a much more fleshed out character here than in SP, it's really improved.
As for what's missing, I think the chemistry, they have no chemistry at all, and maybe she's cold, she lacked the warmth that the other Bond girls have.
She's not really that interesting (maybe, it's just me).
This is actually the film I'm most torn into, I don't know, it's a pretentious film for me.
They've tried to make a bombastic end for Craig, but it didn't reached our expectations, which is sad really, it's still performed well at the box office though.
But I really felt that the movie was just made as a cash grab, I don't even know if Barbara's heart was in it too, especially that Craig was leaving, I don't think she's really that enthusiastic to make a farewell film for him, but that's how I feel (based on her interviews and statements), I don't think she cared for the movie, she just gave it to Craig like "Ok, this is your film, I will give it to you, whatever happens, I will leave it you now, I'm out of it", thus the explanation for Craig's creative control over the film, all of what happened in the film was his decision.
It would be interesting to learn how much the direction of the film took was tailored to Craig's wishes, if at all – or if this was Fukunaga's vision alone. I haven't heard or read any statements and interviews from Barbara about NTTD, so I won't even try to speculate how she approached this final Craig film.
But as with you @MI6HQ, I'm torn. I definitely get what they were aiming for in the send off to Craig's Bond, but with the exception of a few moments here and there it lacks quite a lot to make a lasting impression on me.
It was Craig's idea to kill the character off, he's the reason for Boyle's departure, he didn't liked Boyle's idea.
Crag has been given a Creative control over this film.
And now, based on the behind the scenes photos of NTTD, it seemed like Craig and Fukunaga was arguing, here's the article from Express.co.uk:
https://www.express.co.uk/entertainment/films/1127896/James-Bond-25-set-photos-Daniel-Craig-Cary-Fukunaga-Jamaica
And not just that, here's also the article from the same news site (Express.co.uk) and it shows the creative control that Craig had on the film and Barbara didn't cared after all.
He became demanding on the set.
https://www.express.co.uk/entertainment/films/1120850/James-Bond-25-set-demands-Daniel-Craig-Jamaica-Barbara-Broccoli
Sorry for the late response, I'm using my old tablet, it's really slow and I'm fixing those typographical errors.
That's not how producing works.
Which would you rather have access to, The Boyle/Hidge Script or the Fleming Moonraker Screenplay?
Good to see you here @Torgeirtrap -- your opinions on the film tally with many of mine.
Who knows what might and might not have happened behind the scenes, but I wouldn't take The Express as gospel, @MI6HQ. If Craig became demanding on set, it would hardly be the first actor to behave so, nor the first actor to have some creative control over the final product (just look at Tom Cruise!). But again, I don't know; I only followed parts of the production. :-)
Thanks @Revelator! I'm looking forward to catching up on everyone's opinion of NTTD. It looks to be a divisive film from what I've managed to read up on so far.
Which… is amusingly still doable, if unlikely to happen at this juncture.
I really would not be surprised if we did get a new ‘man with the golden gun’ and a Heracles is cured story. It’s doable.
Probably sacrelige but the Boyle/Hodge script. The Fleming screenplay does sound interesting (the lack of M for example), but we’ve already got his Moonraker, in a medium that he was far more comfortable writing in. The Boyle/Hodge script on the other hand will always fascinate me. Boyle is one of my favourite directors, I’ve loved most things they’ve done together, and the Russia setting and the post Me Too angle seemed very different. Even as a big fan of NTTD, I’ll always wonder what might have been there.
Yes that was my thought too. I feel that the Moonraker script is likely to just be a slightly worse version of the story we already have, whereas I feel there's a lot about Hodge's script we don't know and I'd be very keen to find out what that is.
Yeah exactly, completely agree, and I’d like to know if any of the rumours flying around about it have any basis in reality. The one I find most interesting is the mother of Mathilde (if she was even called that) apparently being an old flame of Bond’s from pre CR. It sounds much trickier to make work than Madeline being the mum, and it does mean we’d lose the way they tied it nicely into the Vesper story and Bond’s trust issues, but I think that could have been a really interesting alternative take. As well as providing some obvious commentary on the consequences of Bond’s shagging around, we’d also have a glimpse into his early life, and potentially even a kid who’s old enough for him to properly interact with? I hope we get to find out more one day. And I’d still like to see Boyle direct one, but that seems very unlikely now.