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Anyways, given some distance from the opening of NTTD, I still find it highly rewatchable, even though I find the end to drag a bit. No different than Craig’s other entries (sans QOS).
Strictly on a rewatchability basis my Craig ranking would be:
QOS: You can pop this little bugger on on a lunch break. Bonds best casual fits. I like the plot.
SP: Overall a missed opportunity but the components are very fun and very Bond. Doesn’t feel it’s runtime because I’m always looking forward to the next bit. Except the Q hotel room scene… dreadful.
CR: Craig’s best film, but a bit of a saga. Not a casual pop on a Bond film type movie.
NTTD: could jostle positions with CR. First two thirds are ripping, Safin brings down the end (among other things).
SF: Too precious and careful to be fun. Overengineered for Bond’s 50th; I can’t help but find it boring to watch if expertly made.
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Has it ever been confirmed if Heracles was initially a virus? Rather than it being Nanobots?
It's a nanobots, there's no indication in the film that it's a virus (which in my opinion would have been much better).
I think he's asking if in the storywriting process, if Heracles was a virus before it was nanobots; not in the film itself.
Unfortunately I have no insight on the matter.
Interesting. Could be new headcanon, that Primo brought all those guys over. Don't they say in the film that he is also taking the island back from SPECTRE after Blofeld/White had originally taken it from his family? So Ash recruiting Primo is not just their already large organization gaining one guy with a funky eye, it's them basically picking the remains of at least a part of SPECTRE off of the trash heap.
(On the other hand, if Primo is the key to such a large part of the organization, why wasn't he in the DNA database and died in Cuba?
On the other, other hand, maybe he really is the most senior person who didn't die there. As main henchmen, he would possibly be the department head for faceless brutes and everyone above him died.
On the third hand [this is getting dumb] why didn't he strike out on his own, if he controlled the goon army? Maybe he didn't have the money?)
Yeah that's exactly what I meant mate, thank you.
I was curious to see if during production, perhaps even during the filming, was Heracles ever a virus? The plot seemed more suited and grounded in a virus rather than nanobots but it was decided to change it given the real world pandemic
Agreed, that was my thought as well with regards to the possible change. For what it's worth, I think I would have preferred an organic virus rather than nanobots. Either way, it was a bit of a contrivance to get the ending they wanted.
One thing I loved about NTTD was the breakneck speed of the chase in Matera, the DB5 seems to be getting pushed to it's limit.
It was a huge improvement on the chase in SP in my opinion
My cousin was there in Rome when they were filming that chase for SP... very jealous.
I don't know if I'm super infatuated with Zimmer's score TBH. Didn't feel extremely original, or like it identified as a Bond score. Cuba Chase is definitely my favourite song, and I'll Be Right Back is also great, but feels like a Zimmer score more than a Bond score, if that makes sense.
No. There wasn't enough time to change it.
Yeah, I'm surprised the bike jump was without the triumphant section of the Bond theme. But I still think Message From An Old Friend is a top Bond action track, as it has lots of guitar in it, with snippets of the Bond theme. But yeah, Zimmer could have done better with the entire score for sure, but he had no time...coupled with the fact that his heart was really in Dune and he poured all his musical ideas of 2021 there, as seen with the Oscar win. But for Zimmer to come up with something like that in such a short time is worthy of praise, because Dan Romer had ample time, but couldn't make Michael & Barbara happy.
Shouldn't We Get To Know Eachother is an intriguing piece as well. And we have Back to MI6 and Good To Have You Back for some classic Bond fare. Maybe I spoke too soon.
Hahaha. It happens. It's a cool score. But being Zimmer, we expected more. There's still plenty of music that's in the film, but not in the score. I think once the score's Record Sessions is released, the score would be more appreciated.
Exactly. Very Barry when the missiles are about to launch. Also, the cue when Bond and Obruchev are about to board a plane to leave Cuba. The cue when M sits down and looks at the pictures of previous Ms, right till when he speaks to Nomi on phone, very Arnoldesque. A whole lot of other cues too.
The concept for what Heracles actually was changed during the design phase, but throughout, Fukunaga's main direction was the Heracles weapon should be absolutely creepy. "It started off as a toxin. And then it became a sort of nanobot that delivered the toxin. And then it became that the nanobot itself was the killer."
More details, design talk and nanobot concept art can be seen in the magazine.
One thing I didn't like about NTTD on first viewing, was it felt like a greater time jump than 5 years. The nanobots plot was a big reason for that. It felt to me that was a bit too fantastical for this version of Bond, as did the magnets part, the bionic eye and the stealthy bird plane.
Agreed. I also love Craig's Bond serious facial expression immediately he spots the car coming and Zimmer's music of course, having guitars in it to replace the Bond theme when he does that Bondian thing. I also love the way Craig's Bond bends his head and drives off for the car to explode.
I welcome the more fantastic, sci-fi style tech in these films.
Regarding the DB5, I had seen the mines back in 2019 but for a long time wasn't sure how they were deployed. Could've been dropped from behind the glider sub. I wish they had've saved the minigun feature for the film and not shown such a wow-factor moment in the trailers.