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NO TIME TO DIE (2021) - First Reactions vs. Current Reactions

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  • Creasy47Creasy47 In Cuba with Natalya.Moderator
    edited November 2022 Posts: 40,976
    I just rewatched CR'67 tonight and didn't realize how many wild connections it shares with NTTD. It's pretty stunning (in a bad way) how many later installments share countless similarities with Bond spoofs and satirical works.
  • NickTwentyTwoNickTwentyTwo Vancouver, BC, Canada
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    First Goldmember, and now this...
  • SecretAgentMan⁰⁰⁷SecretAgentMan⁰⁰⁷ Lekki, Lagos, Nigeria
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    NickTwentyTwo wrote: »
    First Goldmember, and now this...

    Lol. Funny.
  • echoecho 007 in New York
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    Venutius wrote: »
    j_w_pepper wrote: »
    Oh, come on, people... Those things really have no connection at all. While I enjoy digging up all kinds of coincidences generally.
    Yeah, but someone in one of the Other Places said this:

    'James Bond has retired, still in his 50s, after an unhappy love affair, to an idyllic home. He is approached to come back to work- he’s initially reluctant but then agrees. The villains make an attempt to kill him early in the story while he’s in his car, but he survives.
    The main actress is also the female lead in an earlier Bond movie and there is some dubiety as to her character's loyalty. His old number, 007, is given to a younger agent. He finds out more about M than he has known before. Miss Moneypenny is of course invaluable to him and his work.
    Important to the plot is that he has a daughter he's never seen by the lady in the unhappy love affair mentioned above. They meet, and begin to make up for lost time in their relationship.
    The traditional main villain is killed well before the end of the story, a younger villain who had arranged this taking his place and who has a plan to kill major parts of the population of the world by some sort of vague scientific method. This villain kidnaps Bond’s daughter, obliging him to trail the villain to his base (full of tunnels and strange rooms) where they face each other for the first time in the movie followed by a lot of fighting, inc. Bond with a machine gun at some point.
    Bond dies when the villain's lair explodes at the end of the story, other major characters also die during the film, though the world is saved.
    A well-known beautiful love song (not the title song) is prominent in the score, both vocally and instrumentally. The film has a long and troubled production, with at least one major director starting but not finishing the job. More writers than usual (some have worked on Bond films before, some haven’t) including a young recently acclaimed comedy writer are involved with the script, which takes only a little of Fleming as inspiration.
    Sound like any recent film we’ve all seen? Of course it does, but it also refers to a Bond film over 50 years ago. It is, of course, "Casino Royale"... the 1967 version.'

    Y'know, when they put it like that... ;)

    LOL. I'm guessing P & W have seen CR '67? It does feel like the dramatic version of it in some ways.
  • GoldenGunGoldenGun Per ora e per il momento che verrà
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    MI6HQ wrote: »
    DarthDimi wrote: »
    They were wrong not to pay him. Everyone was wrong not to pay him. Connery was key to the success of Bond. And they could afford it. Not paying Connery what he wanted was a spectacular screw-up.

    I don't think so, he's offered a big money in DAF And his performance there was a lot left to be desired.
    Though, in the situation back in 1967, it's reasonable, and because of that, the film suffered with Niven in the role :))

    As a fan of the accomplished actor that was David Niven, I’d argue CR67’s issues have anything to do with his performance.

    A non-existent plot, 5 credited directors and Sellers/Welles not getting along seem to be the reasons why this one derailed as catastrophically as it did. Niven on the other hand manages to keep his dignity in the mess that is Charles K. Feldman’s Casino Royale.

    If anything, Niven is one of the few reasons to watch CR67.

  • RyanRyan Canada
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    NickTwentyTwo wrote: »
    First Goldmember, and now this...

    Skyfall - Home Alone
    SPECTRE - Austin Powers in Goldmember
    No Time To Die - Casino Royale '67

    Watching the three in the right column in a movie marathon could make for a very interesting trilogy!
  • NickTwentyTwoNickTwentyTwo Vancouver, BC, Canada
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    I despise the home alone comparison… :))
  • DarthDimiDarthDimi Behind you!Moderator
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    All joking aside, we can backtrack many more Bond flicks and their resemblances to contemporary films.
  • echoecho 007 in New York
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    I mean, TSWLM has Jaws and an shark.
  • ringfire211ringfire211
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    We haven’t seen James Bond since we last saw him parasailing a CGI iceberg wave. Then some blond bloke came in who couldn’t drive a stick shift and didn’t give a damn if his martini was wet or dry or shaken or beaten. And now this blond bloke is dead after getting nuked in the last movie. See? Told you he wasn’t James Bond.
  • CraigMooreOHMSSCraigMooreOHMSS Dublin, Ireland
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  • MakeshiftPythonMakeshiftPython “Baja?!”
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    ringfire211 wrote: »
    We haven’t seen James Bond since we last saw him parasailing a CGI iceberg wave. Then some blond bloke came in who couldn’t drive a stick shift and didn’t give a damn if his martini was wet or dry or shaken or beaten. And now this blond bloke is dead after getting nuked in the last movie. See? Told you he wasn’t James Bond.

    Does it bother you?
  • Creasy47Creasy47 In Cuba with Natalya.Moderator
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    I'm surprised the Craig haters don't love NTTD simply for the fact that Bond gets destroyed in it.
  • peterpeter Toronto
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    Creasy47 wrote: »
    I'm surprised the Craig haters don't love NTTD simply for the fact that Bond gets destroyed in it.
    This was great Mr. @Creasy47 !!!!
  • DarthDimiDarthDimi Behind you!Moderator
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    peter wrote: »
    Creasy47 wrote: »
    I'm surprised the Craig haters don't love NTTD simply for the fact that Bond gets destroyed in it.
    This was great Mr. @Creasy47 !!!!

    Indeed. The blond Bond dies. Doesn't that right many alleged wrongs? Like a double negative or something? 😉
  • NickTwentyTwoNickTwentyTwo Vancouver, BC, Canada
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    CraigMooreOHMSS wrote: »
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    Every full moon he appears and complains about something, and disappears into the night.
  • ColonelAdamskiColonelAdamski UK
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    He does have a point though.


  • 007HallY007HallY
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    GoldenGun wrote: »
    MI6HQ wrote: »
    DarthDimi wrote: »
    They were wrong not to pay him. Everyone was wrong not to pay him. Connery was key to the success of Bond. And they could afford it. Not paying Connery what he wanted was a spectacular screw-up.

    I don't think so, he's offered a big money in DAF And his performance there was a lot left to be desired.
    Though, in the situation back in 1967, it's reasonable, and because of that, the film suffered with Niven in the role :))

    As a fan of the accomplished actor that was David Niven, I’d argue CR67’s issues have anything to do with his performance.

    A non-existent plot, 5 credited directors and Sellers/Welles not getting along seem to be the reasons why this one derailed as catastrophically as it did. Niven on the other hand manages to keep his dignity in the mess that is Charles K. Feldman’s Casino Royale.

    If anything, Niven is one of the few reasons to watch CR67.

    Yeah, CR'67 is genuinely one of the strangest movies I've ever seen. At times it feels like it's a few different movies in one (which makes sense given the multiple directors).

    There's actually some great stuff in it, especially the sets/comedy when Mata goes to Berlin. Then you have whatever the hell the weird torture scene is with Welles and Sellars... And yes, David Niven is definitely one of the better things about the movie.
  • MurdockMurdock The minus world
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    CR67 is bonkers but weirdly fun. Every Bond fan should watch it at least once. It's probably even better with a couple drinks in you. It's certainly one of a kind.
  • GoldenGunGoldenGun Per ora e per il momento che verrà
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    Indeed, I do enjoy a rewatch of that crazy explosion of 60’s opulence once in a while.
  • CraigMooreOHMSSCraigMooreOHMSS Dublin, Ireland
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    ColonelAdamski wrote: »
    He does have a point though.

    It's not so much about the point, moreso about how the point is made.

    Which is usually the problem with that particular poster.
  • MakeshiftPythonMakeshiftPython “Baja?!”
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    I’ve known this guy from the IMDb message boards. He’s been a CraigNotBond since before the film came out, so it’s not like he ever gave any of the films a benefit of the doubt.
  • RichardTheBruceRichardTheBruce I'm motivated by my Duty.
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    He's quite a character. As are we all.

  • DarthDimiDarthDimi Behind you!Moderator
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    MakeshiftPython wrote: »
    I’ve known this guy from the IMDb message boards. He’s been a CraigNotBond since before the film came out, so it’s not like he ever gave any of the films a benefit of the doubt.

    He can have his opinion, though I'm not at all on friendly terms with CraigNotBonders. I remember a certain website... and to quote dame Judy Dench: inexcusable, I'm afraid.
  • Last_Rat_StandingLast_Rat_Standing Long Neck Ice Cold Beer Never Broke My Heart
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    MakeshiftPython wrote: »
    I’ve known this guy from the IMDb message boards. He’s been a CraigNotBond since before the film came out, so it’s not like he ever gave any of the films a benefit of the doubt.

    I had a feeling he was one of those.
  • RichardTheBruceRichardTheBruce I'm motivated by my Duty.
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    Last_Rat_Standing wrote: »
    MakeshiftPython wrote: »
    I’ve known this guy from the IMDb message boards. He’s been a CraigNotBond since before the film came out, so it’s not like he ever gave any of the films a benefit of the doubt.

    I had a feeling he was one of those.

    That's not factually correct is it? Not caring for Craig and his films doesn't equate to participating in that mischievous organization.

    Better to stick to the films here. Complaints or otherwise.

  • Last_Rat_StandingLast_Rat_Standing Long Neck Ice Cold Beer Never Broke My Heart
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    RichardTheBruce wrote: »
    Last_Rat_Standing wrote: »
    MakeshiftPython wrote: »
    I’ve known this guy from the IMDb message boards. He’s been a CraigNotBond since before the film came out, so it’s not like he ever gave any of the films a benefit of the doubt.

    I had a feeling he was one of those.

    That's not factually correct is it? Not caring for Craig and his films doesn't equate to participating in that mischievous organization.

    Better to stick to the films here. Complaints or otherwise.

    I'm pretty sure there's a difference between not caring for the Craig films and what was posted.

    However, you're right. Moving on.
  • ringfire211ringfire211
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    MakeshiftPython wrote: »
    I’ve known this guy from the IMDb message boards. He’s been a CraigNotBond since before the film came out, so it’s not like he ever gave any of the films a benefit of the doubt.
    Actually I enjoyed both CR and SF. More so the latter. Even though 007 was curiously absent in both. But the other 3 films are a debacle I’m afraid. I still haven’t been able to check out NTTD since the one time in the theater.

    I’m actually enjoying reruns of my favorite older shows like the original Hawaii Five-O and Magnum PI. I find the writing in those episodic series smarter and much more believable than in these Craig films where everything is so terribly scripted and forced. For starters I have yet to see an episode where the main villain in the episode turns out to be a brother or half-brother of the hero.
  • peterpeter Toronto
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    @ringfire211 I have yet to see a Bond film where the villain is a brother or half brother to James Bond.
  • DarthDimiDarthDimi Behind you!Moderator
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    @ringfire211
    I bet you have yet to see an episode where the villain is another villain after facial surgery, where the hero gets his next clue from a talking parrot, where the hero fights a bloke with steel teeth and jaws, where the hero has to sneak into a hollowed-out volcano, ...
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