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I can think of another major con.
Disrespect/backlash from fans.
The reasoning: You (the producers) killed off Bond thereby showing you have little or no regard for the intellectual property you claim to respect.
This type of backlash happened with George Lucas after the Star Wars prequels and he never got enough Star War fans back on his side. He sold up to Disney.
The producers expect fans to accept this "death" - get all emotional and regard it as a profound send off for Craig's Bond.. and then sheepishly turn up to Bond 26 as if the death meant very little.
The producers, screenwriters and Craig believe they have the right to kill off James Bond. The history of the franchise, the history of Ian Fleming's work is irrelevant, inconsequential. Who cares about legacies? Just kill Bond because we can.
All valid reasons not to respect Eon Productions and its screenwriters.
I‘ve always assumed (could be wrong) that a franchise refers to a series so big it goes multi media. So, Bond is a franchise because there’s novels, films, video games, etc.
Thanks for all of your thoughts here. I appreciate this film also because I put the Craig films into their own set. Therefore, NTTD is, for me, a very fitting, moving, appropriate finale for this particular Bond. And so beautifully done; a gorgeous film. I think the series is free to go in many directions after this. It will be different, as it should be. The Craig era gives us one completed story of one particular Bond, and I appreciate that.
“EoN doesn’t have respect for their property. They don’t care about the fans. Killing off Bond is the stupidest thing ever”.
Gimme a break. And speak for yourself.
A lot of fans are perfectly fine with the end of NTTD. Why?
Because it’s the end of a self contained arc, not the end of the franchise.
Because it’s the most emotionally poignant sequence in 59 years of James Bond.
Because it’s so well written, shot, acted and scored that stands as one of the most beautiful scenes in a blockbuster, ever.
Because for Tracy, and their hypothetical family James dreams about in OHMSS, Fleming’s Bond would’ve done the same since this scene sticks with Bond’s idea of what life is about, as Fleming made it clear in the epitaph in YOLT.
Because it’s the most logical end to Craig’s tenure, where death has always been treated like a curse.
Everyone has the right to have an opinion, but don’t speak as they’re betraying the fans with this film.
Another thing, most people were willing to forgive the producers due to both movies needing to be shot out of sequence from the books. On Her Majesty's Secret Service was intended to be the next film after Thunderball (1965), but the producers decided to adapt You Only Live Twice instead because OHMSS would require searching for high and snowy locations that just weren't available in 1966 due to the lack of predicted heavy snowfall that year. Also the rise in Bondmania in Japan would've factored in their switch.
I suppose you could argue that Felix not missing a leg later was due to it being his very last appearance in a Bond film until the total reboot came in 2006. Though these movies did share some of the same actors playing the same roles, each standalone movie before Craig had one thing in common: Bond alive and well, and living for all eternity. In Roger Moore's case, living beyond age 57 in AVTAK unlike Craig.
The continuation novels don't really concern me as I see them existing outside the James Bond machine, mostly because they've never been adapted for the big screen.
Like many others, I don't really have a problem with the producers killing off Craig's Bond as it felt inevitable when he signed up for Bond 25. I just have a worry where they're going to take Bond next and how they're going to sell another hard reboot of the character with all the same iconography and traditions as a totally new package. I also wonder how they're going to market their next movie in China, a country that’s unfamiliar with all the different Bonds. Not that I care that much about the Chinese box office receipts.
Hear, hear!
He won it in a game of poker.
Thank you - glad to hear it made it in a bit at least.
I'm really with you on this film. And I have no angst or handwringing about the next one. I feel a fresh start is great. With Craig's films I have one particular story, from start to finish, that is very fitting for this Bond. I will revisit his films and enjoy them the rest of my life. I value his take on Bond, all the layers of it. I did not see how they could ever pull this off in a way that would be acceptable to me, but they really did. It is a fine and fitting send-off for a great Bond.
The overall enjoyment I get from NTTD comes from how stunningly gorgeous this film is; along with outstanding action sequences, brilliant acting, and more ... and with an ending that was appropriate, while being naturally so sad and moving. I appreciate NTTD for many reasons. I'm glad it's on track to do very good box office. I look forward to the next 2 years or so of anticipation, learning who the next Bond will be, who the next director will be; all of that. For now, I have seen NTTD twice in the cinema. I'm so glad I did. Looking forward to the DVD with all the extras, commentary, every bit of that. B-)
We know:
- Amazon have (or are about to buy) MGM. That will put pressure on EON to produce as they will want to start seeing a return on their purchase.
- The distribution of films into the marketplace is going through a fundamental change.
- Current trends are towards extended or more linked up “universes” with spin offs.
What we dont know:
- Is Michael G Wilson, at 80 now, going to continue or retire? Babs thanking him at the premiere makes me believe the latter.
- If so, will someone like Gregg Wilson take on full producing role, or will BB continue as a sole producer?
- What will the long term reaction to NTTD be?
If NTTD is extremely successful financially (which the opening international figures suggest), that gives EON the argument to continue as is.
If the film craters in the coming weeks, does that put more power in MGM and Amazon’s hands?
All these questions will be answered in time. And the wait will be agonising.
Yes, I feel it was an intentional connection to Vesper's death. Some strong differences, of course; but intentional, yes.
However, there was a slight moment that helped me. Right as Felix begins to slip into the water, he seemed to me to be already dying in that very moment (judging by his eyes mostly) ... before he was fully submerged and James let him go. This script had some memorable moments and dialog, but this scene is also right at the top for me. What they both said to each other was so moving, memorable. And James was right there, able to hold him, look him in the eyes up close (quite different from Vesper), and that helped me. I felt that both times I saw the film. I have a particular aversion to drowning (always have) so perhaps I read into that scene too much. But I like to think Felix bled out to the point where he was actually dying in that very moment. Jeffrey and Daniel were wonderful together. This Felix will always be my favorite, and he did need to be in this film. I only wish we had longer scenes with them together.
I agree that everyone has the right to an opinion. They also have the right to feel disappointed, upset and betrayed by the film. I felt betrayed, I still do. I’m sure that wasn’t the intentions of all those involved in the making of the film but I cannot help feeling that way.
Spectre: A villain from Bonds past comes back and seeks revenge.
No Time To Die: A villain from Madelines past comes back and seeks revenge.
I’m expecting the plot of the next reboot to involve a villain from Q’s past coming back and seeking revenge.
No Time To Cook - A Quartermasters Kitchen
My reading of the scene, keeping in mind that I'm in Canada so haven't had any opportunity to rewatch since the premiere (first screening here is on the 6th), was that Felix dies in Bond's arms and so that's why Bond lets him go, not that Felix then goes on to drown. His eyes seem to go very blank in those final moments.
Killing off Bond was probably Craig’s main condition for returning, and Babs and Co indulged him on, because as she said “she cant imagine Bond without him”. Now that might be marketing guff or it may be genuinely true. Killing Bond was the cost of getting Craig back., and the film had to reach that point regardless.
When interviewed on the premiere red carpet, Craig said he wanted to leave Bond in the best place possible.
One wonders if this qualifies.
There’s nothing confusing about it, you’re just overthinking. Q Branch lended him an old Aston Martin they had in storage. It never belonged to Connery Bond in the 60s, because in Craig’s timeline there never was a Connery Bond. But there has been a 00 section back in those days, and presumably a 00 agent used to drive that vehicle back in the 60s.
It’s not that complicated. If the conceit of Craig’s run is that it’s self contained, the explanation for things like the DB5 is likely in relation to that conceit.