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Must go though!!
I've only seen the movie once so I might have a different opinion on my second viewing. Personally, I still feel torn by the way in which Bond died. I'm undecided whether it was a heroic thing to do, or simply Bond throwing in the towel after being severely wounded. Looking at the many different scenarios and possible outcomes, I still felt he could've survived and waited for a technological cure for the nanobot virus rather than choosing death itself. I dunno, I'll have to see the entire third act again. Put it this way, it's going to take a very long time before I can say with any clarity where this movie finally falls in my overall ranking.
Except the fact that it is a divisive film; it is. A few have a sort of "middle ground" feeling about it, but it seems most fans either love it or hate it.
1) Morality - You say EON should preserve Bond; they have done so. They respect the character. They respect the audience in general. They don't aim to please every spectrum of Bond fan, nor should they. They have moved the series forward, with boldness at times (and obviously with this film). Otherwise repeating same formula and taking no risks would have killed the franchise years ago. Their moral/ethical imperative, in my eyes, is to treat the character with respect, do not let the series stagnate, do their best to provide top quality films that respect the history of Bond but also continue fresh elements, and films that will continue to do good box office. They are good stewards of Cubby's legacy.
2) Divisive - it is a divisive film. Other films have had controversies but this is the strongest one. I can live with that.
3) Disrespectful - No, absolutely this is not true for all older fans. Or even for all fans in general. I'm an older fan and in no way do I feel disrespected by this fine Bond film. Others sure might, you obviously do, but you cannot lump us all together. I respect Barbara and all involved in EON more than ever for taking this risk and making such a very fine, beautifully crafted Bond film.
4 Continuity nightmare - this could actually make me laugh, but I know you are serious. There is no real continuity in the history of Bond films. Just some here and there; not really until Craig's tenure. And there is zero reason for the next Bond film to even mention Craig's Bond. Just start fresh, like they have before, and move on. Just make the next one as beautifully well made and give us a great story and great new Bond actor - all those important elements. But continuity? Not a problem, no.
5) Arrogance - Bond is theirs, their character, their responsibility. I sense a lot of arrogance from some fans, but not from EON. What you call arrogance, I would say is just confidence and a willingness to be creative and expand the Bond stories to give many fans a different kind of Bond, a different kind of Bond world and film to experience - knowing they cannot please all the fans.
6) Meaningless death - 100% strongly disagree. This story gave us a sad, tragic, yet profound, noble, and heroic death for Bond. Craig's films tell the story from start to finish for this particular Bond, and I appreciate that. Each new Bond actor is James Bond. His dying in this film is for this set, this Bond. So yes, it was a meaningful death and now we move on to a new set of stories with the new James Bond. As we .... always have ... since Dr. No.
I do not expect the folks I differ with will change their opinions much, nor will I. Maybe a little here and there. But I am okay with that. That's art. It's subjective. I go your way, you go your way. I hope whatever disagreements fans have about this particular film can settle down as "agreeing to disagree" and just watch, or do not watch, this Bond film again. I respect personal choices in film, music, art, dance, etc.
Seething anger, bitterness, and wanting to change or control something that is totally out of our control and already moving on ... is unhealthy. And there will be many new Bond films coming our way in the future to enjoy (or not).
I like writing about how much I like and value NTTD. I would like us to settle enough to be amiable and accepting of our different interpretations and enjoyment (or lack thereof) of this particular Bond film. That's what I hope.
Meanwhile, I am seeing NTTD for the third time this Sunday. I am lucky in that my cinema here is safe and so relaxing. All my previous Bond films in America we were packed in like sardines, I had to sit with my feet up on the back of the chair in front of me to be at all comfortable, and yet I am so short that I had to fight to get to the best view possible as soon as the doors opened. I have a reserved seat here, at a rather luxurious theater, and that is the way to go. I wish everybody could have that kind of experience. B-)
You're overthinking all of this and being over-dramatic. The world is going to move on from this, people are still going to go see Bond films. Maybe for YOU and others that share your sentiment that EON has done the unforgivable and that everything is nonsense from here on. But that's just your opinion, and you have to accept that not everyone here is befuddled by concepts like introducing a new James Bond that exists outside of the continuity of Craig's run. That's why it's called fiction.
I read all of your reasoning, and they mean nothing to me. They hold no merit. Because I understand James Bond is just make believe. As much of a figment of one's imagination as Santa Claus.
Anyway, this is the last time I'll respond to you unless you decided to stop being the personification of a brick wall.
You have to see it in the context of the film. Much as you don't want to see Bond die, it works pretty well in relation to the story and is a poignant ending for Craig's tenure. There's also a small scene in M's office that really got me.
I am surprised how many members are on this discussion who haven't seen the film yet. You're ruining it for yourselves.
I call it fan entitlement.
Good angle here
Anyway, back to pearl clutching.
I’m maybe missing the point here but why does not agreeing with the film ending make people arrogant or entitled? Surely it’s just the way they feel?
More directed at bondy really. That nonsense of him writing a letter to EON encouraging them to retcon Bond’s death where he turns out alive decides to not reconnect with his daughter and Madeleine and just return to the service behaving like nothing ever happened.
Not really. However people seem to take it extremely personal that they dared to do something groundbraking and unexpected with "their" character.
"Play the ball, not the man."
Many of the pro-NTTD are making personal remarks about the posters. It's just unnecessary, imo.
This is exactly like it was on the Star Wars forums at the height of the prequels.
I'll just reiterate the most compelling reason why I think James Bond is not dead. Plot potential.
By fooling the worldwide audience that Bond is dead, Eon have a once in a franchise opportunity to exploit that scenario. The marketing and story potential is huge. How did Bond escape death? Where is he? Will he ever return to MI6? How can he recover from the nanobots virus? Prime material to explore in Bond 26. Arguably too good to dismiss with a full reboot.
Also, I would argue Bond is just one version, one person, not many people. It's the interpretation that changes but the dna, the core essence of Bond never changes so this is why I remain committed to the belief Bond has not died in No Time To Die. My prediction is Bond 26 will be a sequel to NTTD albeit with a new actor in the role and a degree of tonal change.
I have screensaved this post so I can show it when Bond 26 is released (assuming my prediction is correct). 😊
This is becoming embarassing at this point.
Bond has to be dead. Bond 26 cannot have him resurfaced with a wife / girlfriend and child. If it did they would have to kill them off at the start as I can’t see the film having Bond going home to them at the end of the night. To do that would be starting off on the wrong foot for the new Bond.
I do agree that I personally have always thought on Bond as being one person. That’s one reason why I can’t get my head around killing him, but he is dead.
And to you. Didn’t realise that was a thing until I saw it on Twitter earlier
Well... you know he is a fictional character...? Right...?
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Well... you know he is a fictional character...? Right...? [/quote]
Ok, I’ll ignore the tone and give my reply. Yes, I know it’s a fictional character. I like reading fiction. I like when when it’s a series of books about one main character. In some series of books I’ve read the main character has died at the end. If done in the correct way I’m fine with that. I don’t however, expect said character to then reappear in the author’s next novel as though nothing has happened.
Oh yeah, that's true. Forgot it was today :)
Happy James Bond day.