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Yes, they can.
Oh, that's right. COVID has messed with my brain. LOL
That's because BB and MGW made a funeral, not a celebration.
True, but those people are not automatically against the idea no matter how it's done.
Not a natural conclusion? If there's a common theme throughout the films is that Bond is a man cursed by death, where everything he touches, and I quote, "wither and die" and the end of NTTD even directly homages Bond's philosophy of life as it was written by Fleming himself.
Saying that killing off Craig's Bond is an inherently bad idea is just an over simplification caused by obsession, plus it's an insult to a lot of people's intelligence.
I'm not saying that, come on. And you keep of missing the point. Why "no reason"? It's been almost a week inhere that a lot of people kept on explaining the reasons why this notion works, makes sense. Just accept the fact that you hate the concept, and that's it. Because that's really it.
Speak for yourself. ;)
A funeral can be celebratory.
It's going to be like this for the next few years, isn't it?
Oh on my side I am left with a wonderful movie i already saw twice.
I was not a fan of the delays and very critic of how Eon handled the situation, but I am very satisfied.
This Is One that Will go in the Christmas rotation
As for the average viewer vs fans? IT IS THE FORMER GROUP who might be more annoyed by NTTD. They go to Bond for escapism, tropes, nostalgia and fun, albeit with VERY occasional punctuation films for 'the fans'. They will leave perhaps confused, annoyed and thinking Bond gone for good. Cue confusion, too, at any mooted reboot.
It’ll take a decade.
I remember when the Brosnan films were new, most fans thought of his run as being too distinctive and not something you can easily lump in with the 1962-1989 films. But long after his era passed the sentiment had changed to his films being lumped in with the older films. It’s only older fans that still regard 1962-1989 as “the original run”.
Just stating the fact that the number one topic of discussion is the heated for/against Bond dying. And as others have mentioned....you do come of as a very arrogant person. Please dial down the charm.
I highly suspect average viewers won’t be that bothered. They’re not as hung up about Bond tropes as fans are.
I refute your accusation, I think you interpreted some things your way, things may have been said direct at you & @matt_u because at the time I remember it got a bit heated on a personal basis on both sides and @Birdleson did in fact delete both our posts.
I believe as I have said on numerous posts that everyone is entitled to their opinion & that we are all Bond fans or why the hell would we give this the time of day if we weren't, so stop ruffling feathers as you say & directing snidey comments that have no foundation at other contributors who don't share your view.
They’ve done it once before: OHMSS.
I’m sure everyone was all smiles leaving those screenings.
“Boy, what a fun film! I totally did not see the bullet hitting Tracy’s forehead coming! Grand old time! Let’s go to the pub and get smashed!”
You do realise that a funeral can also be a celebration, right?
Personally, I wasn't initially happy that Bond died but I'm okay with it. I still think the film has issues and Bond could have saved himself but he decided to end his life on his own terms, while reconciling with his nearest and dearest. Nomi said at the start of the film that he has nothing to live for and that he's just killing time. He wasn't living, he was just existing. But with the "foxdie" virus stopping him from ever being with the ones he can live for, we can celebrate Bond saving the day and saving himself from the life of nothing and emptiness he would have lived without Madeleine and Mathilde. For Bond, there was no point in living....as he couldn't "feel alive" without them.
When looking at it from this perspective, it makes narrative sense, even if I don't necessarily like it but I can respect it and see it as a bookend to the Craig era. The next Bond can now shift focus onto something less tragic.
[/quote} I highly suspect average viewers won’t be that bothered. They’re not as hung up about Bond tropes as fans are.[/quote]
On this? You are might be wrong, I am afraid! It's the 'fans' who will see imminent reboot as solution and death itself as tribute to rather than betrayal of character, lore, myth and actor etc.
IMHO (above and below)
The average non spoiler reading bloke? Or girl /someone in between, spoiler free? Who enjoys bank holiday bond fun and maybe took in Skyfall for Jubilee/Olympic spirit? They will be utterly flummoxed, gutted and maybe even angry!
Also: what of KIDS who see this? And those with fragile mental health? Seriously. This will go down as a misfire. It will make all its money. It will sit in fan lore as a favourite, for sure and critics like it.
But to person of unspecified gender on clapham omnibus back home from the cinema? It's not just Bond who died. It's possibly, the series..
Unfortunately that will overshadow opinion on No Time To Die, and I'm surprised the producers didn't consider that when filming that particular ending
I’m sure they did. They just had faith that most people would be accepting. It’s really only hardcore fans that are divided on it.
CR- Bond retires to settle down with the love of his life.
QOS- Bond mopes about his lost love.Goes rogue.
SF- Bond retires.Comes back and goes Rogue.
SP- Bond goes rogue.Retires to settle down with the love of his life.
NTTD- Bond retires permanently.
But he could. There are many ways he could have a life with them. That's actually my main gripe: he can't touch them, so there's no point in living? What!?!? He could live in the same house, as long as he doesn't touch them. Too risky? Use Facetime or Messenger. What kind of father doesn't want to see his kid grow up?
Yes, I am. That's my point. People are allowed to be inherently against certain ideas on general principles. However, I still disagree about this being an inevitable conclusion to Craig's Bond. Are you saying that back when you first saw CR (or heck even Skyfall), that you knew this is how they'd end his tenure, that it couldn't possibly have any other conclusion? Really?
PERFECT >:)
Nonsense. The death of a character is plausibele, an alien Bond isn't. Apples and oranges.
Fans don't have to like it but they will accept it. The only alternative is the "entitled fan's" wet dream of having the producers do what he wants and that would be the end of cinema.
There are 24 happy endings in this series for those who want one. Why all the anger over one ending that isn't the happiest? To call this a funeral is a gross exaggeration. This film keeps the tone fairly light for the most part.
Not an accurate account.
Stop shifting goal posts. You were talking about how audiences would react to downer endings, not fans of Fleming’s works.
That's true mate, but I'm surprised in how definitive it was
Why mention OHMSS when the circumstances are very different, then?