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The most accurate thing I've read in this thread today. I'm seriously jealous for all those here who love the film. I really wish I could too.
Having seen it twice, and hating it more second time, I've almost tried to wipe it from my memory, pretend the film doesn't exist. I'm actually annoyed when I see Craig or one of the team pop up on Youtube now to promote it.
This film has had a very bizarre affect on me to say the least. Right now I can't bring myself to rewatch any of Craig's films because of NTTD. I never thought after waiting so long for a Bond film that it would have this kind off affect on me.
Or another film in the mould of CR. Modernise Bond, but go back to the novels and use up what material is left. And stay faithful to the books, not reinvent Fleming into something else. Had NTTD ended like YOLT ended, NTTD would actually be one of my favourite Bond films.
If it was faithful to YOLT, I would have loved this film.
Yes. Probably no. 2 for me if that was the case.
100% spot on pal. =D>
The only part worth adapting to screen of YOLT is the final part, which EON almost did, but didn't go the whole hog and adapt the final chapter `Sparrows Tears'. Had they given us that ending instead, I would have enjoyed the film a whole lot more.
It would still have given closure to the Craig era, still would have been a downbeat, sad ending. I just feel cheated.
I have seen it once.
I already know I won’t ever have to tell you that you were right. You aren’t now and you won’t ever be.
I always make sure to wear my melodrama body when needed.
Yes, it is! I am gen Z and a Craig fan, and I am not going to accept being classified as not a real Bond fan that "wouldn't mind if they kill Bond"! I grew up watching the classic films, I have read all the novels repeatedly, NTTD made me cry on three separate viewings.
I would never call anyone not a real fan, whether they like NTTD or not. But I got the gist of what he was trying to say, that there is a trend in Hollywood at the moment for overdramatic death endings, with the Marvel franchise and films like The Last Jedi. This is what general movie audiences have come to accept now, so I felt NTTD was trying to appeal to that demographic too with the ending.
This doesn't mean by having this opinion that I would say anyone who loved the end of NTTD isn't a Bond fan. But I'm hazarding a guess this is the demographic that EON may have been tapping into.
Had they made NTTD purely for hardcore Fleming purists like me (and I am in the minority, I know), then they would have adapted the final chapter of YOLT and used that ending instead. Sadly I am in the minority.
I didn’t look for half a day and I missed 160+ posts and several pages. Really enjoyed you’re write-up btw @Creasy47.
Someone pointed out how Craig’s Bond is close to Dalton and Lazenby, and I agree. For me those three are the most human Bond portrayals.
I love the mostly carefree escapism of Connery/Moore/Brosnan, but in terms of caring for the character Lazenby/Dalton/Craig take the cake imo.
If that is the case, it is what they should do. The franchise has always moved with the times and has to to survive. Recruiting new fans is essential.
I have thought about this ending a good deal now (I will see it for the 3rd time tomorrow). I think the script is succinct and the acting is very much sincere, realistic without going overboard. I give a lot of credit to Cary and whoever else wrote the entire ending sequence.
So my overall thoughts are that if a story of Bond dying was to be done at all - this is definitely the right actor, director, and script. We all may want to tweak the script a little or a lot. But I stand by it and because it wraps up this Bond's story arc, I greatly appreciate what we have been given in NTTD.
One standout moment I absolutely loved — Bond visiting Vesper’s grave. Such a powerful moment when the music started playing. Craig’s “I miss you” was just absolutely heartbreaking and actually brought some tears to my eyes.
Absolutely. But I just didn't think it was necessary to kill Bond off. The death ending could have been done in an ambiguous way, or they could have used the end of the YOLT novel.
Neither of these endings would have turned NTTD into a bad movie, and wouldn't have prevented it from attracting a new audience either. But it would have stopped Fleming fans like me from being turned off.
I’m with @jetsetwilly. I’d like to add to his thoughts and say that Eon May lose fans over this. I know some Bond fans on my area that say they’re done with the franchise. Will they stick to that? Will others? Creatively was it a good decision? That can be debated until kingdom come. It’s a circular argument. Was it a good business decision? Only time and the numbers will tell. How much does it drop off next weekend will be a big sign of much legs it has. It’s an unnecessary risk, and it is turning a portion of the fan base off. If you lose 5%, that’s a ton of money. Why Chance that?
The melodrama left me cold, too, though overall I enjoyed the movie. I think it didn't help that NTTD was hamstrung by being so connected to Spectre, and Spectre didn't make the Madeline/Bond pairing work like it should have done, at least for me. NTTD did well to make Madeline interesting to me, because in Spectre she was one of the least interesting women from Craig's era, but they just didn't get enough little moments together to really pull me in.
Every time she appeared on screen the film turned downbeat into a depressing pit, but I think this was more down to the script than the actress playing her.
Re Echo's comment,
I can't see how a film that kills off a 59 year old film hero is designed for hardcore fans. Surely that would be a strange way to appeal to them! But I accept thematically speaking the film contains elements that trigger a nostalgic response in hardcore fans. The most obvious trigger being the use of We Have All The Time In The World.
As for the use of YOLT, in the novel Bond was presumed dead. He killed Blofeld but Bond did not die. He returned in The Man With The Golden Gun, brainwashed, and attempted to assassinate M.
It's not that far fetched to think EON paid homage to YOLT and the fake death of Bond. It's not that far fetched to imagine Bond (Craig's version) will be alive in Bond 26. I would hazard a guess Bond 26 will feature an amnesiac Bond as opposed to a rebooted Bond (which will destroy all Bond continuity.) Eon could do the subplot of Bond trying to kill M at the start of or midway through Bond 26. That's other reason why fans should not automatically assume Bond 26 will be a full reboot.
If Bond 26 opened with an amnesia Bond, and continued the arc from YOLT into TMWTGG, I would love that.
It would also bizarrely make me enjoy NTTD a whole lot more than I previously did.
This, by the way, is also a highly subjective thing. Some will tell you that Bond and Kara had zero chemistry in TLD, others will tell you that their romance is one of the best we've ever seen. So there's that. ;-)
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