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If Europe had copied what China did, then yes Europe will recover like China. But Europe has not done what China did, and so it’s reasonable to expect the outcome in Europe to be different.
Italy has already exceeded China. Spain looks likely to be next.
You’ve misunderstood. Countries are not in lockdown because of the deaths of 11,000. Countries are in lockdown instead because countries do not want the death of millions. The reason why only 11,000 people are now dead, rather than a higher number, is a result of the lockdown, not because of it.
I do not expect you to grasp this point, but others may benefit.
‘Millions’ is not an exaggeration. The British government idly floated the idea of ‘herd immunity’ last week. Herd immunity probably requires at least 50 million, out of the UK’s 65 million or so, to contract the virus, within the next few weeks. With a death rate of 1% that’s half a million dead people in the UK alone, over the next few weeks. That’s why lockdowns are coming. And that’s why “look at the recovery rate” is a complete red herring.
You are wasting your time with this utter moron.
I agree.
Furthermore, it's also a question of how much one values a human life. The herd immunity theory looks like it doesn't, to be fair.
Also agreed. 800 Italian deaths in one day is not something to be sniffed at. It's still early days for the UK and Ireland. It's likely the damage for us won't peak until the middle of next month.
All we can do is hope.
Yes you are right @DarthDimi, I was referring to our leaders. Sorry to everyone for not being clear.
But don't worry. @fanbond123 assures us this is all just a massive overreaction. 800 deaths in one day is nothing to him.
Please stop spreading false information. The UK are not shutdown. People are still allowed to go to work, go to supermarkets and walk outside. All 3 of those things were strictly prohibited in China. The first case in the UK occured on January 31st, which is nearly 2 months ago.
Your post is absolutely dangerous, I hope you know how oblivious you are to the current situation around the world, and how utterly full of lies your post is. You are either clueless or a troll, given how easily the information in your post can be disproven.
It is the UK, the US and the Western world who are totally unprepared to this coronavirus. Which is downright criminal (and so is your post) when we've been following the virus' outbreak in China for months. This level of inaction is blatant incompetence at this point.
'There is no need to make a catastrophe out of things' when Italy recorded more deaths in 2 weeks than China in 4 months?
'As long as people follow the guidelines, as most are, things will resolve soon.' The absolutely mild guidelines compared to China? These same guidelines that aren't being followed at all by a big proportion of US and European citizens, if you bothered to open your eyes and your ears?
I wonder why such country as France are having to hand out thousands of daily fines because people aren't following basic lockdown measures?
Gawd, let's hope so.
You can focus on the rage, or on the lies and false information being posted on the internet. Personally, I prefer to focus on people spreading lies, which is much more dangerous than someone calling them out for it.
This is certainly a tragedy, unlike we have seen but it helps to give that context, perhaps in relations to other diseases or causes of death. Other you just spread panic and fear, which does no good to anyone. Mental health I'd kinda important, and I for one think that deliberately leave out that information and just posting about how many have died is dismissive and disrespectful to the people actually fighting and winning the battle. In any catastrophic circumstance like this there is a message of dispair and a message of hope.
Perhaps this is a thread only for a few members to flick figures back at one another, my mistake. If you guys are just going to respond by direct attacks towards anyone actually interested in discussing, you can have at it.
What is happening around the world is momentous and should be discussed among people, they need some outlet after all.
James Bond is offering us nothing new for the moment but the times we live in are very interesting and need to be talked about.
He will be eating crow somewhere in the next weeks I expect.
If you want to have arguments, don't spread false information. Every talking point in previous post was quickly disproven. There is no discussion possible when someone is posting lies. If you didn't want your arguments shot down, you should have fact checked them before posting.
We are interested in discussing the coronavirus topic, but don't get shocked when people do not want to discuss false information like those found in your previous post. You do not get to use the victim card when you were the one coming here with inaccurate information and got called out for it.
Such posts can of course always be flagged.
We'd grately appreciate it.
Well said.
That would be more useful than shutting the thread down, for sure. I only saw passionate attacks in a couple of posts, depriving the rest of us from what has been a very useful thread would be unfair and ironically, an overreaction.
Italy is on a very similar path to ours, looking back 14 days ago. Today we reached 233, and eerily Italy was on that very same number 14 days ago (the numbers on each day before then are very similar.)
Italy also went into lockdown at the same time as we have now done, so the parallels are strikingly close and obvious to draw upon.
The difference is, Italy have a higher elderly population, but they also have a much better healthcare system.
Of course, it could be that younger people are being tested more frequently, or that underlying medical conditions play a larger role than first thought.
https://www.businessinsider.com/new-york-10000-coronavirus-cases-cuomo-urges-young-people-2020-3
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/03/20/health/coronavirus-millennials-young-adults.html