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Society: Let's create a group of people who we can support while they dedicate their lives to learning about our natural world, and what to do in case of large scale emergencies. We'll call them Scientists.
Scientists: Hey, thanks! So there's this global pandemic going around, we've learned that it's passed from humans to humans in the air, so we figure if we can just keep people away from one another for a few weeks, the virus won't be able to transmit, and we can contain it and fix it all up.
Society: What? No. I want to play volleyball.
Scientists:
1. It takes 2 weeks between infection to recovery/death.
2. 90% of cases are undetected because of lack of testing. What do you think has been happening this past week? That’s right : testing is increasing. More testing = more cases are being added to the official numbers.
So your facts are nothing more than pure fake news and blatant miss understanding of common knowledge. It’s not rocket science to understand what is happening. And it is really hilarious that the person who was complaining about overreaction is now openly being a fear monger.
You said this was just a massive overreaction on an epic scale a few days ago. Have you changed your position on this theory now, Einstein?
Most importantly we keep it civil. I cannot for one minute take action against a member who voices his/her opinion if it doesn't fall in line with common shared opinion.
An opinion may seem ignorant or ill informed, but it's still an opinion, and if it doesn't break the terms and conditions for using these forums, then really we can't 'get rid' of anyone (which has been requested).
Can I therefore ask everyone, if you disagree with someone, move on and ignore it. Don't re-quote it because it simply spreads the opinion you disagree with.
We don't really approve of political threads on this Bond forum for obvious reasons, so keep politics out of it and keep the chat civil.
At midnight everyone stays in their house. We're got two hundred cases - only four community spread cases, twenty recovered and no deaths so I'm glad the government has taken preemptive action.
Guess I'll be on this board a lot more and watching all the bond films...might even watch Casino Royale 67...that's how long it might be!
https://www.ctvnews.ca/health/coronavirus/prince-charles-tests-positive-for-new-coronavirus-1.4867279
Ah, and then there’s the (missing in the video) governor of Campania who spoke about using “flamethrowers” against people chilling in the streets...
Yeah, bad one, I know but I couldn't resist.
By the way, it is not the death rate in Italy you want to look at right now. Death rate has still not peaked. It's the infection rate (which is lowering. Today it will hopefully lower again). There is a lag between infection rates and death rates.
Incubation up to 14 days.
Then average time to death from onset of illness can be another 14 days after that.
Lock down will work if people actually abide by it.
You are lucky to live in a country that 1. is an Island and 2. actually has a capable government ready to learn from other countries' mistakes.
I'm afraid here they've been downplaying the threat until more than 100 people died. It went from 'no, it's in China, it won't get to Europe', to 'we're fully prepared and we have a fantastic health care system' to 'only those who're symptomatic can transmit the desease and we're quarentining those, but it's only dangerous for the old and weak' to 'shit, we've got a 16y/o with no preconsisting problems in coma' to 'smart-lockdown' all in about 2 weeks. But our tally isn't sufficient because they only test the severe cases.
Anyway, I've been following this since december and here are some facts:
the disease spreads through bodily fluids (salive coughed or sneezed out) but can remain alive outside a host for up to two days depending on the surface. Others can pick it up by breathing in the tiny droplets from a sneeze or by touching, say, the same desk with their hands, picking up the virus, and then rubbing their eyes, nose, mouth.
The death rate is about 100 to 200 times higher than the common flu.
80 percent of infected people have mild to no symptoms. Which means 20 percent have severe symptoms. This is not age dependant. Because young people's cells are more resillient, they have a lesser chance to die when given the right care.
If a person gets severily ill, it may lead to loss of long function, in which case artificial raspitory is applied until the person is strong enough again to clean up the lungs. Most young people recover, but not all. 0.2 percent do not survive.
Important to note is that the necessary care is given. As in Wuhan, in Italy and Spain the hospitals can't keep up with the influx of patients. Especially considering the help that's needed, which is highly specialised. They then have to choose which patient to help. Normal doctrine says they'll help those with the best chances of survival first. Hence the high death rate amongst elderly people there, as they're just denied the help needed because younger people have taken their place already.
The sad result is that many young people think they're invincible. They're more likely to withstand it in the first place, and more likely to survive if they get in trouble. Sadly, that's at the cost of their elderly neighbour, or their own (grand) parents.
The 'flattening the curve' is meant to prevent what's happening in Italy and Spain: That the capacity of hospitals isn't sufficient to cope with the people who need help.
Social distancing helps not only to flatten the curve, but also to diminish the total number of infected people. This technique isn't new: it was used extensively in 1918 to fight the Spanish Flu.
For those who worry about the economy: if everybody goes back to work, including those infected but whom do not show any signs of the disease, they'll infect theri co-workers. One in five will get severily ill. That's 20% of the workforce knocked out. Hospitals will not be able to cope with such an influx. Now imagine what that would do to the economy.
There is no simple solution here which will completely end the virus, yet.
Put it this way. If I was going to catch it, would I chose April this year or Dec? it's a no brainer.
I don't wish to get into a big argument here, life is too short blah blah blah but the fact - the empirical data PROVES - repeat PROVES the death toll in Italy and Spain has greatly risen SINCE the lockdowns were imposed. THIS IS FACT. I am not mistating facts as they're presented on the worldometer website. It's possible that website is posting fake, inaccurate information but, if not, the death toll in Italy and Spain has risen far higher since the lockdowns. Perhaps some/many people won't get cr if they're inside, logic would support that view, but the rate of death is not slowing since the lockdown. Please accept that.
SPAIN HAS HAD 443 new deaths today and it's not even 4pm.
Today, as of right now, more deaths in Spain with a lockdown than any other country in the world. Lockdown is not slowing down the virus and if anyone has the gall to say it is, you are spreading fake news, fake facts.
As for the UK, we are being lied to or led a merry dance because the police have the power to fine three people walking together in a park but the government is happy to have thousands of London tube commuters huddled together. That makes no sense, is increasing the spread of this virus so none of this makes any sense.
I've given up trying to understand what the government policy is on coronavirus other than to waste police officers time standing on pavements and in parks telling people to go home or you'll get a fine. Perhaps the government should stop being a hypocrite and massively reduce all train journeys, start up some ID scheme where essential workers only have to have ID type oyster cards before they can enter onto the railway tracks. If this is a serious virus pandemic then the government should limit 90 percent of all tube commuters. They're not doing that so is this crisis exaggerated, a product of hype and hysteria? Perhaps it is.
There is a 2 weeks delay between infection and either recovery or death.
https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/coronavirus-incubation-period/
The lockdown in Spain started 10 days ago.
Hopefully you are smart enough to understand 10 days is a smaller amount of time than 14 days. The lockdown hasn't been in effect long enough to have an effect on the daily death-toll.
And I just posted facts from that same website that proves you didn't even bother to read all the facts before posting more of your fear-mongering rambling.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spurious_relationship
YES
Here in the U.S., too many states are not doing so. Trump refuses to make this a national concern and instead is letting governors approach this as they see fit. We're seeing through news reports and social media that there is an emboldened Conservative movement to end this lockdown. Believe it or not: over half the country approves of the way he is handling this emergency.
China and Korea had lockdowns and that controlled the virus from spreading. And also there is a delay between lockdowns happening and results taking effect.
It also shows the power of this virus, that even with lockdowns in place, it still spreads. Could you imagine what position the world would be in if there was no lockdowns in place at all? We would be talking millions affected, rather than thousands.
And your last sentence really isn't worth responding to at all. I don't want to get angry with you anymore, there are bigger problems for us all to worry about right now.
@patb No i get that, just wondering how much time are we looking at flattening the curve. With better data, vaccines(probably next year) we will be able to cope better.
Another symptom of Corona: stupidity.
- Dad, there's a killer with a knife in the house.
- That's just your imagination, son. Let me please finish this hamburger.
- Dad, the killer is actually standing right behind you, now.
- Boy, I told you, I'm not buying your hoax.
- Dad, the knife is going into your--
- OH MY GOD, couldn't you have told me s--aaaaah!
Scientists warned this would happen. It was called a liberal hoax. Nothing was done. People are now dying, many never had to. Quick, decisive action could have prevented the loss of many lives. And still, whatever is done, is messy at best. When your leaders display this level of incompetence, when they make mistakes which cost lives, when they openly forget that the health of the economy should be second to the health of your people, what do you do?
A killer is at your door and your leader and his media minions call it a "liberal hoax"?! Think about that.
The last 10 years? I'd go further back than that. The last time we faced a political crisis of this magnitude on a global scale is before most of us were even born (1939 to 1945).