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Well, your neighbours are doing a lot worse I'm afraid, as the hospitals are filling again, and so are the ICU's. Yes, testing is up and yes, most tested positive are younger (the ones who need their 'freedom'), so it isn't going as fast as the first wave. An expert compared it to a tsunami. Those usually don't look that bad from the start, but as they keep on swelling, soon enough the numbers are going to be massive. Mind you, I hope not, but here in the low countries things are looking bad. We've already diverted some IC patients to Germany.
‘Lost the plot’: Victoria’s second wave coronavirus victims’ families slam Daniel Andrews’ celebrations
Premier Daniel Andrews has been blasted for sharing “smart arse” celebratory end of lockdown tweets featuring doughnuts and whiskey by Victorians who lost loved ones to coronavirus.
2 doughnuts............ :-O
https://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/lost-the-plot-victorias-second-wave-coronavirus-victims-families-slam-daniel-andrews-celebrations/news-story/fe44c4dd55ee900deab770fd04de8391
Well, here, there is talk of a new lockdown, which doesn't suit me at all, given that right now, I'm on vacation in Britanny, where my family lives. I intended to go and visit at least a few of them (mainly my sister, to see her about my other sister's succession), attend the service for this year's dead, visit my parent's grave at the cemetary, and various other things (including a visit to our family's sollicitor to get informtions not only about my sister's succession, but also prepare mine -one never knows, right ?). Seems I'm going to have to cancel all that. Not to mention that I left my sister's cat at home. I had asked a colleague at work to take care of the poor thing, but will she be able to now ? Frankly, I'm not really filled with confidence right now. We'll see tonight, when the president announces the various measures that will be put into place as of tonight. But I fear the worse.
I take it that the people you refer to as "idiots" are not the government for contemplating a lockdown, but rather the people who have acted irresponsibly to the extent that a lock down now is probably a strict necessity?
Aha. Now I see... :P
That's what you get when your government "trusts" people to do the right thing.
tbh with the government you guys have, and its governing structure, there's hardly anything more for them to do. Saying that your northern neighbours aren't far behind, and the more arrogant for it as well. But our government won't do a proper lockdown at all. We first had an 'intelligent' lockdown and now we'll get a 'partial' lockdown, whatever that may be. But only if more people start dying. Even though the IC's are at their top already.
In 3rd world countries I would agree. In the industrialized world however, there's no reason why we shouldn't be able to contain it better og people cooperate.
Fair point. I might refine my argument to say the creation of the virus was 60% (for illustration's sake) overpopulation 40% stupidity, but when it comes to the spreading of the virus, 90% stupidity. Given how China shows some characteristics of the third world.
I think this is also part of it, including destruction of the rain forests, encroachment on animal habitats, poverty, starvation, etc.
A person eating "bush meat" caused HIV to jump to humans. A person eating a pangolin or a bat caused Covid-19 to jump to humans.
The more things change, the more they stay the same.
1) how dense the population is,
2) how dense the population is.
Seemed very relevant to our discussion :))
Precisely.
Except that apparently it's not the national (or regional by any definition) population density that is important, but how close people from different places choose to get together. A club which is the only place where people that live 50 miles apart can have a dancing party together is probably worse than a local place where people who meet each other anyway during the day are having a beer together.
Did you miss the dense joke there? ;)
I wouldn't call bush meat part of the 'meat industry'. But yes, getting infections from meat is far more likely to happen than from plants.
Still, this all is nothing compared to the black death.
I think that's a good thing. Online teaching is at most a minor inconvenience when thinking of the effective results this might bring with it in our battle against the virus. There will be economical, psychological and social blood... but none of that matters quite as much as our physical health IMO.
May be so. I appreciate it anyway,
Ive been doing a bit of reading (who hasn’t!) about the Black Death. It’s quite fascinating the long term effects it had on the course of western civilisation and in turn human history.
And some towns have decided to keep even "non-essential" stores open (in Perpignan, for example). I really don't have the words.
That's what dumb ass political leaders we have in this country.
Any other countries where state, provincial etc borders are closed ?
That's why I have never voted for anyone EVER in council, state and nationwide elections.
Australia is a political mess and they are proving it now more than ever.
Yes, Canada is closed off from the USA, and Mexico is closed off from the USA. Both Canada and Mexico closed the boarders on the USA in fact.
We tried to ban all incoming flights from outside the USA back in February or January I believe when this got serious, but the administration was labeled xenphobic.
And in my state of NY, the Governor has issued all kinds of travel bans on incoming people or people traveling to other states. There was a list of some 30 plus states, where the individual had to quarantine for 14 days if entering NY from a listed state.