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Nothing has been peer reviewed, so this is still a trial.
Fake news.
Where have the clinical data been published?
After recently changing the law, the company has also been given indemnity from lawsuits, just as all the big pharmaceutical companies already have in the US since the 80s. Tax payers money is available for that instead.
Who knows how effective it is and how long it lasts ?
There were in fact a couple of issues with the swine flu vaccine a couple of years ago. It was also issued early and gave a couple of patients som long lasting side effects, mainly tiredness and lack of energy that negatively effected their working lives. So although the general scepticism to vaccines is pretty daft, concerns about a vaccine that has not gone through all stages of testing is not that unreasonable. My father happens to be a professor in medicine, and I asked him the other day whether he would take the vaccine right now if given the chance. He said he was unsure and that it would be a difficult decision to make.
I take it most of us have our driver's licence and put it to good use. But is a car safe? Let me tell you, the "peer review" doesn't look so good. Still far too many people die in traffic accidents. Yet when has that ever stopped us from getting behind the wheel, sometimes tired and completely unfocused, sometimes totally stressed and boiling with rage, in bad weather or poor visibility conditions? Never. Has an aeroplane accident ever stopped those millions from flying, for pleasure no less? No! Do threats of cancer keep all people from drinking and smoking? No. "Hey, you, smoking will almost certainly kill you!" "Yeah, whatever, I'm good... *Fills lungs with deeply inhaled cigarette smoke.*"
Yet I'm willing to bet that one reported case of a Corona vaccine doing bad to a person will suffice to discourage millions from taking one themselves. Yet we need enough vaccinated folks to keep this pandemic under control since nothing else seems to work in the me-world called "the West". I understand the fear and I understand the reasoning. All I'm saying is: some people's assessment of the risks with these Corona vaccines is disproportional to the many death-risks they are perfectly happy to take on a daily basis.
Yes, I'm willing to accept a certain risk of one of those vaccines having unfortunate side-effects in my body. The risks I'm taking when driving to work in rush hour or when eating fish a subscribed two times a week (mercury poisoning?) are comparatively much greater. Long-term side effects are, indeed, a big unknown in this entire affair, I will concede that much. But it's not unreasonable to assume that we will be fine. It is, however, completely certain that we won't be if we continue on like this, with this pandemic running amok everywhere.
I didn't have time to read all of it, but I agree with the general gist. Those who are extra vulnerable to the disease should definitely vaccinate as soon as possible! For the rest of us, we will most likely not get the chance for several months anyway when we will know more about how it works in practice.
From the test results, around 90 to 97%. That's why they do the tests. How long it lasts nobody nows. That's the problem with long-term testing, you can't do it in a week or two.
@DarthDimi if you ask me why people react like this, I think it has something to do with our safe and cozy lives. We just don't know danger anymore and humans are quite bad at adjusting to a new situation from a cozy startingpoint. That's why we design our world as safe as possible. And virusses are invisible, so they don't exist. Ghosts, on the other hand, you can sometimes see..... etc. etc.
Our ancestors were confronted by death just about every other day. Families were big only to makes sure enough offspring managed to live into adulthood to do the same thing all over. It's interesting to read letters from the 17th century, whre people wrote things like 'aunt mary sadly passed way last week. Just like her sister a year ago she had maningitis. How are you and the family? Has little jack recovered?" etc. etc.
https://kloptdatwel.nl/2020/12/02/retraction-paper-pcr/
I hope your Dutch is good enough.
Fear is subjective. Some people are afraid of going to the dentist or having their blood taken.
People with 'significant' allergic reactions urged not to have Covid vaccine
Being categorically against vaccines is one thing, being concerned about something new is another. Those who equate the two are of the same mindset as anti-vaxxers.
The elderly and health workers are the first ones to get a vaccine apparently so most of us will have to wait much longer.
Also the richer countries will get it faster than the poorer countries as usual i'm afraid.
Aren t both of you terrified of this virus? How does that fit in ?
But these corona vaccines aren't going to, well, give you covid-19.
God help us all.
I think "terrified" is also the wrong word for it; fear comes from misunderstanding, and there is a lot we understand about the virus, as well as lot we understand about how it travels, and how we can prevent it from travelling among people.
You don't have to be terrified of the virus to know how important it is to take the necessary precautions in order to prevent it spreading.
https://aaqr.org/articles/aaqr-20-07-covid-0403
Why do you say that?
Because you've consistently posted links to articles that either downplayed the impact of the virus, or of the measures taken by government bodies. Links, too, that were easily debunked with a very quick search on google. The latest beeing an article in which was stated that the testing method was faulty. Signed by 'doctors' whom either were no doctor in the first place, or admitted to know absolutely nothing of virology (as, i.e. a neuro-surgeon).
It gives the feeling that you don't take this whole affair serious in the first place. Either that, or you just don't know how to check sources. In that case I apaologise. As someone working in information management i may have some presumptions on checking information before one shares it.
You obviously don t know what you re talking about.
That's rich. What the commander said about auditing your sources is 100% correct. You say others have 'no idea what they're talking about' because your "argument" hasn't got a leg to stand on.
https://www.worldbank.org/en/news/press-release/2020/10/07/covid-19-to-add-as-many-as-150-million-extreme-poor-by-2021
to this
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1qLbVmE3QyBh06GFFYkUv7eEWvz8DInZam4dx5vyLtT8/edit#gid=1259834744
Your source for this amazing conspiracy theory?
Just check the list of names. Plenty of Russians to be found.
And on your amazing declaration, first, it's written by an institute for ECONOMICS. Obviously, the experts to go to for a pandemic. Second, if even Wikipedia says it's unethical and dangerous, then you might be a bit careful sharing those statements.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Barrington_Declaration
On the home ront, we're welcoming the next complete lockdown of the year! Up until 19th of januari.
The poorer countries i'm afraid will get it last unlike countries like the usa,australia,canada etc