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I am in no way armed to prove that vaccines are wholly good, or that we landed on the moon, or a large amount of other things, to even myself, let alone others (flat earth is an exception; I think this is something that is visible to us every day, and I’m fairly confident I can illustrate that scale *does* matter, which seems to be a crux of their argument). But I’m comfortable in my understanding how science, and the pursuit of objective truths, works.
@j_w_pepper
Willful stupidity, worse than simple stupidity, is a callow indifference to facts or logic. It shows itself as a stubborn devotion to uninformed opinions. It exists in echo chambers and on self-serving websites full of fake data. And then there are the stories about the people it knows, whose individual experiences somehow support the oblique thesis it tries to defend. We can all do the same, and it would prove nothing.
Let us not worry about the fight against the Q Anon nonsense. We are talking about an exceptionally marginal community here. It's wasted energy. 😉
Pro-vaccine, pro-science, pro-no-needless-suffering-and-dying.
I acknowledge the dangers--they are certainly there. Some people are easily trapped in a tunnel vision engineered by smarter people who find personal gain in exploiting the ignorant. Thus, you have the likes of Alex Jones who propagate and sell conspiracies for a living, and the likes of Marjory Taylor Green who buy them and try to win elections with them.
Concerning Covid and the vaccines, we are all still standing at the bottom of the learning curve. But some are doomed to stay there because they have poisoned their minds with dogmatic views, created, multiplied, and bounced back-and-forth between those who already know what they want to read, or hear, of see proven in graphs, even if the data were fabricated. Empirical evidence, new observations that lead to a new and better understanding of things... none of that matters to them. They simply seek confirmation wherever they can, even if it’s all based on lies.
The truth is that fighting epidemics is messy and extremely difficult. It usually takes many years if not decades to do so. In a world as densely populated as ours, with more human interactions across the globe than ever before, we should be in extremely dark times for many more years. Yet, a few simple tricks (masks, vaccines and booster vaccines and more of those to come, social distancing, …) are obviously helping us to safeguard our society from decay.
Either way, weren’t we all going to die from the vaccines we took many months ago? Weren’t we all going to end up mind-controlled by Bill Gates? What about all those babies that would be born dead? What about all those birth defects we were told to expect? What about all those governments that would never give us our freedom back? What about the masks that we would be forced to wear forever? Every single prediction from conspiracy nuts that I have read about in the media has turned out wrong.
So, @j_w_pepper, I have long ago lumped these people in with the end-of-the-world thinkers who are forced to always re-calculate the Mayan calendar and whatever, because their doomsday predictions have never been accurate, not even faintly.
Let them try to follow in the footsteps of Andrew Wakefield, the man who fabricated his data, faked his observations, lost his medical licence, and became the joke of the medical community. Let them join the retarded Bible Belt communities where forgotten diseases have now resurfaced because frightened parents refused a few harmless jabs for their kids, some of whom will die thanks to their superstitious surroundings. Let them.
Isn't it also funny that this thread was bumped with silly videos about mouth masks? Ask yourself: why was that necessary? Why, if any of it were the obvious truth, would it need such a strong PR campaign? I don't have to remind this community that the Earth is round every single day, but Flat-Earthers persistently have to send each other confirmation of their ridiculous thoughts. Neither do I feel compelled to remind you that mouth masks work because by now that is what recent experience and common sense have proven. It's the other side that has to boost its morale by seeking affirmation and confirmation whenever it can.
I don't know what percentage were vaccinated, boosters etc.
It would be good if they provide that info ?
The vacc rate was quite high so it's terrible that this is happening.
The most interesting thing i learned from them is that if you don't go to work because you have caught covid, allegedley you only get 10% of your wages? Obviously i have no idea if accurate as its third hand conversation?
But you can see how this thing is gonna take off again because of the cost of living and inflation crisis?
That is utterly disgusting! No paid sick leave?
I work at a huge company and I'm 99% sure I don't get any sick pay either, but this is also an issue of the state government I'm stuck in.
Touch wood the last few years even with C19 (had no symptoms really) had no illness at all unless it was a injury through training. I think my diet and nutrition has contributed a lot to that.