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  • Posts: 7,507
    Don't get the hype for Jill. Doesn't do it for me...
  • SIS_HQSIS_HQ At the Vauxhall Headquarters
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    It's a lot more tragic when you know how different was her literary counterpart.....
  • ThunderfingerThunderfinger Das Boot Hill
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    jobo wrote: »
    Don't get the hype for Jill. Doesn't do it for me...

    She did it for Mr Kissinger Bang Bang.
  • Posts: 12,473
    Easily DAD for me, which is the series’ weakest as far as I’m concerned.

    1. OHMSS
    2. LTK
    3. NTTD
    4. AVTAK
    5. DAF
    6. DAD
  • GoldenGunGoldenGun Per ora e per il momento che verrà
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    jobo wrote: »
    Since62 wrote: »
    It has been asked:

    And why Bond didn't returned to England after the incident in Matera, instead he went to Jamaica to retire?

    OK. It goes like this: England on the one hand, Jamaica on the other, as if weighing them out...hmm...yeah. Jamaica it is.



    That's the most logical choice in the world! ;))

    If it was me, I'd just stay in Italy though...

    Well THAT’s the most logical choice in the world. I wish I could be in Italy all the time :)
  • DwayneDwayne New York City
    Posts: 2,847
    jobo wrote: »
    Don't get the hype for Jill. Doesn't do it for me...

    She did it for Mr Kissinger Bang Bang.

    Apparently Soviet Premier Leonid Brezhnev also thought she was quite nice!!! :))
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  • GoldenGunGoldenGun Per ora e per il momento che verrà
    Posts: 7,136
    Dwayne wrote: »
    jobo wrote: »
    Don't get the hype for Jill. Doesn't do it for me...

    She did it for Mr Kissinger Bang Bang.

    Apparently Soviet Premier Leonid Brezhnev also thought she was quite nice!!! :))
    tumblr_mchgr2EYSB1qz4txfo1_1280.jpg

    Détente indeed.
  • Posts: 7,434
    Dwayne wrote: »
    jobo wrote: »
    Don't get the hype for Jill. Doesn't do it for me...

    She did it for Mr Kissinger Bang Bang.

    Apparently Soviet Premier Leonid Brezhnev also thought she was quite nice!!! :))
    tumblr_mchgr2EYSB1qz4txfo1_1280.jpg

    Great photo. @Thunderfinger should adapt that for one of his caption contests!!
  • Posts: 15,125
    DAD is the worst by far.
  • Posts: 1,917
    When I saw AVTAK on opening weekend in 1985, I came out of it with the impression it was the worst Bond film yet. I don't feel that way in 2022, it's only the second worst, so of the nominees here, it's by far the worst. I think some are confusing disappointing with bad, especially in the case of NTTD.

    The only things I really like in AVTAK are Walken, Patrick Macnee and the theme. That leaves precious little else. The uneven tone from going to broad comedy of firetruck chases to Zorin brutally gunning down miners is an example, as well as having a daring escape from a fire intercut with a hobo showing his concern was just pointless.

    From when Bond arrives in San Francisco to the fire in City Hall is about the most boring stretch of any Bond film with little action or anything of real interest. What more can be said of Tanya Roberts that hasn't been said, still the least interesting Bond leading lady. Sure some of the problem is the script, but her line delivery during the first meeting with Bond are just awful. "Selling?" with that deer-in-the-headlights look. Others have tried to explain the constant "James" as the result of somebody being thrown into the action but they didn't do that with most other leading ladies.

    The first time I saw the film, having California Girls during the middle of a chase had me thinking the cinema was experiencing a technical difficulty with the soundtrack from another film. It's one thing to have the Close Encounters theme or Magnificent 7 or Lawrence of Arabia as those were in smaller moments, but this was in the middle of an action sequence.

    I think back to a review at the time where the critic said it was like the people involved said "Come on guys, it's time to make another Bond film" and that kind of sums it up. There's just no real energy or standout moments, just let's get this one pumped out.
  • Posts: 7,434
    While I agree there are stretches that plod, it does have a lot of good stuff in it. Mostly when Walken is on screen, and I'vd never seen Moores Bond visibly detest a villain so much! I do like the pts ski chase up to the use of 'California Girls' ( am still shocked that this was apparently Barrys idea!) And the Paris chase is good fun. I think the steeplechase is the best action, and I also liked the bit where Bond uses the car tyres for air rather than a handy gadget! It has a great theme song and the climax is well staged... thats certainly a lot more than DAD. which I struggle to even come with a single positive!!
  • edited August 2022 Posts: 3,566
    My vote here goes to DAD. I can find something worthwhile in just about every Bond film, but here I really have to stretch...

    DAF is fun. There's a fair amount to object to here (Blofeld in drag? Really?) but at the end of the day, it's a good time --which is more than DAD can say!

    AVTAK -- aw come on, it's got Patrick Macnee playing against Roger Moore...Walken and Jones are a blast... and as a long-time resident of the SF Bay area, I've just got a soft spot for this one. Bond is tooling around in my own back yard. What's not to like, from my perspective?

    On the other hand, people who don't like NTTD are never going to get over their distate here. I get that. But I like Craig's swan song as 007, and if you don't well, you have my sympathies. I recognize that NTTD has a few plot holes...but that can be said of some of the franchise's best-loved entries. Sorry, haters, I'm just not with you on this one.

    So it's got to be DAD to get the Klebbie for me. I like this movie's PTS -- but once Madonna starts in, I'm checking out. The 2nd rate CGI is very, very bad... and the whole "Colonel Moon becomes Gustav Graves" plot line just doesn't work for me. Jinx's "Yo Mama!"-level dialogue is the tasteless icing on a wretched cake. Point the Klebbie at Lee Tamahori's ankle as far as I'm concerned.
  • VenutiusVenutius Yorkshire
    edited August 2022 Posts: 3,152
    The 2nd rate CGI is very, very bad.
    Only 2nd rate? That's pretty generous! :D
  • CommanderRossCommanderRoss The bottom of a pitch lake in Eastern Trinidad, place called La Brea
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    Many things have already been said, so I'll stick to a 'short version', as many points haven been thoroughly explained. First to get out of the way is NTTD, as to my mind it's an inceeadably good film. I understand the hatred against the choice made, but that shouldn't detract too much from the rest of the film. OHMSS had Bond get married, and then his wife shot. That was for years the biggest mental downer in the Bond-series.

    Next, AVTAK. I just love the film. I know it isn't very good, but it IS consistent, and Walken is amazing. The plot was fun too.

    Now, then, things get difficult. DAF is just a badly made film with a lazy star in the middle. It doesn't help really. It IS however consistent in it's story telling...

    which....



    brings me.....


    (sorry, some more stairs to go down to)


    to.......



    DAD.

    It starts so promising, and Brosnan is finally getting set in the role... but the film just has one big flaw. I think it was @doubleonothing who once stated that films create their own universes. Their own set of rules. Bond has always done that and though the films varied here and there, and sometimes flew out into orbit, they never really left this universe. That is, until DAD. One of the things Bond films do is come up with gadgets that are believable. An invisible car isn't believable, it's nonsense. You can't project what's on the other side of the car on it's tires, windows, etc. Moreover, even if you'd believe that, they put it IN THE SNOW so we can see the tiretracks. The guards, however, find fresh tracks without a car beeing seen but the cler sound of a V12 engine very normal indeed. The further the film goes, the further it goes off the hook. I can tell you the whole Antonov 124 sequence is utter nonsense. See, i wanted to keep this short but I've hardly started on what's wrong with this film. And I think it's biggest flaw is indeed, as @NicNac said, the fact that in the beginning it starts out with the promise of at least a decent film. A promise it doesn't keep, but worse, it actively denies by coming up with the weakest plot possible, stupidest gadgets and even the ice-lake fight has no excitement in it as it immediately turns to a tit-for-tat exchange of optional extra's.
  • pachazopachazo Make Your Choice
    edited August 2022 Posts: 7,314
    I enjoy both DAF and AVTAK despite their flaws.

    I was extremely disappointed with NTTD. They threw in everything but the kitchen sink to try to make that ending work and it's a completely disjointed mess.

    That being said, my vote must go to DAD. While there are definitely things to enjoy in the first half, the second half turns into a big, dumb, loud catastrophe. To this day, it still represents my lowest point as a Bond fan.
  • ProfJoeButcherProfJoeButcher Bless your heart
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    pachazo wrote: »

    That being said, my vote must go to DAD. While there are definitely things to enjoy in the first half, the second half turns into a big, dumb, loud catastrophe. To this day, it still represents my lowest point as a Bond fan.

    It was for me too. But I think there's a difference between DAD upon release, after you've been waiting for it, and DAD as a movie among 24 others on the shelf. Same goes for the others, I think.

  • pachazopachazo Make Your Choice
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    pachazo wrote: »

    That being said, my vote must go to DAD. While there are definitely things to enjoy in the first half, the second half turns into a big, dumb, loud catastrophe. To this day, it still represents my lowest point as a Bond fan.

    It was for me too. But I think there's a difference between DAD upon release, after you've been waiting for it, and DAD as a movie among 24 others on the shelf. Same goes for the others, I think.

    Oh, for sure. I've long since gotten over my crushing disappointment and, like I said, can find plenty to enjoy in the first half. I was speaking about how I felt walking out of the theater back in 2002.
  • Posts: 1,630
    BT3366 wrote: »
    When I saw AVTAK on opening weekend in 1985, I came out of it with the impression it was the worst Bond film yet. I don't feel that way in 2022, it's only the second worst, so of the nominees here, it's by far the worst. I think some are confusing disappointing with bad, especially in the case of NTTD.

    The only things I really like in AVTAK are Walken, Patrick Macnee and the theme. That leaves precious little else. The uneven tone from going to broad comedy of firetruck chases to Zorin brutally gunning down miners is an example, as well as having a daring escape from a fire intercut with a hobo showing his concern was just pointless.

    From when Bond arrives in San Francisco to the fire in City Hall is about the most boring stretch of any Bond film with little action or anything of real interest. What more can be said of Tanya Roberts that hasn't been said, still the least interesting Bond leading lady. Sure some of the problem is the script, but her line delivery during the first meeting with Bond are just awful. "Selling?" with that deer-in-the-headlights look. Others have tried to explain the constant "James" as the result of somebody being thrown into the action but they didn't do that with most other leading ladies.

    The first time I saw the film, having California Girls during the middle of a chase had me thinking the cinema was experiencing a technical difficulty with the soundtrack from another film. It's one thing to have the Close Encounters theme or Magnificent 7 or Lawrence of Arabia as those were in smaller moments, but this was in the middle of an action sequence.

    I think back to a review at the time where the critic said it was like the people involved said "Come on guys, it's time to make another Bond film" and that kind of sums it up. There's just no real energy or standout moments, just let's get this one pumped out.

    Perhaps you should have EXPECTED to hear a pop song in the middle of an action sequence...after such nonsense became a tradition in R Moore Bond films, unfortunately:

    The slide whistle in TMWTGG in the middle of a car jump...which was interrupted also by the ridiculous sheriff from the film before who happened to be in Thailand...Thailand ? AMC marketed with dealerships in Thailand ?

    The Tarzan yell in OP
  • SIS_HQSIS_HQ At the Vauxhall Headquarters
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    Since62 wrote: »
    BT3366 wrote: »
    When I saw AVTAK on opening weekend in 1985, I came out of it with the impression it was the worst Bond film yet. I don't feel that way in 2022, it's only the second worst, so of the nominees here, it's by far the worst. I think some are confusing disappointing with bad, especially in the case of NTTD.

    The only things I really like in AVTAK are Walken, Patrick Macnee and the theme. That leaves precious little else. The uneven tone from going to broad comedy of firetruck chases to Zorin brutally gunning down miners is an example, as well as having a daring escape from a fire intercut with a hobo showing his concern was just pointless.

    From when Bond arrives in San Francisco to the fire in City Hall is about the most boring stretch of any Bond film with little action or anything of real interest. What more can be said of Tanya Roberts that hasn't been said, still the least interesting Bond leading lady. Sure some of the problem is the script, but her line delivery during the first meeting with Bond are just awful. "Selling?" with that deer-in-the-headlights look. Others have tried to explain the constant "James" as the result of somebody being thrown into the action but they didn't do that with most other leading ladies.

    The first time I saw the film, having California Girls during the middle of a chase had me thinking the cinema was experiencing a technical difficulty with the soundtrack from another film. It's one thing to have the Close Encounters theme or Magnificent 7 or Lawrence of Arabia as those were in smaller moments, but this was in the middle of an action sequence.

    I think back to a review at the time where the critic said it was like the people involved said "Come on guys, it's time to make another Bond film" and that kind of sums it up. There's just no real energy or standout moments, just let's get this one pumped out.

    Perhaps you should have EXPECTED to hear a pop song in the middle of an action sequence...after such nonsense became a tradition in R Moore Bond films, unfortunately:

    The slide whistle in TMWTGG in the middle of a car jump...which was interrupted also by the ridiculous sheriff from the film before who happened to be in Thailand...Thailand ? AMC marketed with dealerships in Thailand ?

    The Tarzan yell in OP

    Don't forget the song played after Bond and Anya escaped Jaws.

  • thedovethedove hiding in the Greek underworld
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    Time to deliver the kick in the shins to the worst send off of a Bond actor in the role. The Klebbie goes to....Die Another Day Brosnan is wind surfing in on a CGI wave to accept the award.

    Our voters voted in the following manner:
    • Die Another Day with 19 votes
    • A View to A Kill with 5 votes
    • No Time to Die with 4 votes
    • Diamonds Are Forever with 2 votes
    • One write in vote for License to Kill

    Let us move on to a Bondie and give some love to the office briefing scenes that we have had over the years. Bond and M meeting to discuss the mission and in some cases feel each other out when either was new. You can always count on some interesting scenes and while it's not always the best scene of the movie, many long for the day when we have a good old fashioned briefing scene. So without further ado lets see what is the best M, Bond briefing scene. The nominees are:
    • The Man With the Golden Gun called to M's office Bond gets top marks for knowing everything about Scaramanga. But M isn't so impressed that someone would send a charming trinket to his top agent. Great lines delivered by Lee as M!
    • Dr. No summoned to the office late at night. The Bond-M scene here lays many foundation elements that will be used in the future. M isn't a fool and doesn't fall for Bond's attempt to take the Berretta. Wonderful stuff!
    • Goldeneye Bond and M sharing a drink seems like a wonderful scene. But when you add in a female M and the dressing down she gives Bond in many this is a quintessential modern M-Bond scene. Brosnan and Dench play it perfectly and it establishes a new dynamic between M and Bond.
    • Diamonds Are Forever M and Bond meet with Sir Donald Munger. It is finally shown that Bond isn't an expert on everything. Though to M's amusement he knows the age of sherry even though there is never a year on sherry. Again some wonderful stuff here with M and Bond!
    • Octopussy a new M and a returning Bond. This briefing has some wonderful elements. The photo of 009, the discussion with the Minister about financing operations with art phonies. Art Expert Jim Fanning shares some info and foreshadows the auction scene. Brown and Moore have great chemistry and the whole scene plays wonderfully!

    There you have the nominees. As there are many others to choose from we will allow write in votes if yours isn't on the list. I think there are many wonderful scenes between Bond and M worthy of a Bondie, these happen to be my top 5. What says our academy, what deserves a Bondie for best scene between M and Bond?
  • Fire_and_Ice_ReturnsFire_and_Ice_Returns I am trying to get away from this mountan!
    edited August 2022 Posts: 25,143
    DAD with the easy loss, the film is horrendous.
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    DN M scene wins for me.
  • GadgetManGadgetMan Lagos, Nigeria
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    Dr. No.
  • VenutiusVenutius Yorkshire
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    Dr. No.
  • QBranchQBranch Always have an escape plan. Mine is watching James Bond films.
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    I'll ponder over this for a bit, but I think the TLD scene where Brown's M orders Bond to take care of Pushkin is worth a mention too.
  • SIS_HQSIS_HQ At the Vauxhall Headquarters
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    Dr. No for me too, that scene with M really mirrored the scene between M and Bond in the books.
    If my memory serves, the debriefing was always happening at night too in the books, and in the film, it's the same with Bond summoned to the office late at night, very Fleming.
  • edited August 2022 Posts: 6,844
    Dalton had particularly good scenes with M, The Living Daylights especially.

    The scene in Octopussy where Bond returns the egg is well played.

    The scene with M in Bond’s apartment in LALD always makes me smile.

    I’m afraid I don’t like the repartee between Bond and any of the MI6 staff in TMWTGG.

    The first meeting with M in Dr. No is of course a classic.

    The evening drinks scene with Smithers in GF is particularly good too. Definitely the best photographed briefing scene.

    There’s good tension in Brosnan’s first meeting with M in GoldenEye and both actors play the scene very well, but I actually like their warmer relationship in TND and TWINE better and especially enjoy the playful car scene in TND.

    The very best Bond and M scene in my opinion is not a briefing but a de-briefing of sorts outside Yusef’s at the end of Quantum of Solace.
  • SIS_HQSIS_HQ At the Vauxhall Headquarters
    edited August 2022 Posts: 3,789
    I would also add from On Her Majesty's Secret Service , when Bond visits M in his house talking about Lepidoptery, Heraldry and Blofeld, it's still a debriefing because it's where M assigned Bond to a mission, to disguise as Sir Hillary Bray in Piz Gloria.

    For me, it's such a wonderful scene and the first time we saw M's house.
  • ThunderfingerThunderfinger Das Boot Hill
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    MI6HQ wrote: »
    I would also add from On Her Majesty's Secret Service , when Bond visits M in his house talking about Lepidoptery, Heraldry and Blofeld, it's still a debriefing because it's where M assigned Bond to a mission, to disguise as Sir Hillary Bray in Piz Gloria.

    For me, it's such a wonderful scene and the first time we saw M's house.

    This is up there, but I will go with Dr No.
  • peterpeter Toronto
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    I'd give a mention to Bond resigning in License To Kill as being very different and very worthy.

    But if that's not allowed, I'll go with Dr. No!
  • ProfJoeButcherProfJoeButcher Bless your heart
    Posts: 1,711
    I'd agree with whoever suggested TLD as the best, but going from the list, I really enjoy the TMWTGG one.
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