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  • edited May 2020 Posts: 2,918
    Lulu's TMWTGG is campy and silly, but at least it's memorably so. Barry's music is typically rousing and the double-entendres in Don Black's lyrics are so crass they're rather funny. Poor Lulu is trying hard to be Shirley Bassey and sounds like a chew-toy--the result is unforgettable camp, and that's superior to mere badness. So no Klebbie for TMWTGG.

    As @BeatlesSansEarmuffs astutely points out, Madonna's song is good torture music. Plus at least it's memorable in its badness, so no Klebbie.

    Crow's TND is so bland and forgettable I can't even remember it. Smith's "Writing on the Wall" is so whiny and mushy I prefer not to remember it. White and Keys' "Another Way to Die" must have been produced by a computer. Its generic title, faux-toughness, stupid lyrics, and posturing attitude net the Klebbie, despite the tough competition.

    As for FYEO, I think it's one of the better "soft" themes (better than "All Time High") and I think Conti's FYEO score is very good and livelier than the preceding and succeeding Barry scores.
  • Murdock wrote: »
    NTTD is by far the worst title song.

    I'd suggest that one ought to see a title song in its proper context: with the titles, somewhere near the beginning of the movie -- before judging it. Unless you've just returned from a jaunt into the future, I suspect you haven't seen NTTD yet -- so you may be just a bit premature in your assessment.
  • DwayneDwayne New York City
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    I'd also suggest that as bad as Madonna's DAD is (and it's pretty bad) it is at least appropriate for its placement in this particular film: while Bond is being tortured by the North Koreans, Madge is torturing the audience.

    Thanks for the laugh-out loud comment @BeatlesSansEarMuffs.

    For me Madonna’s “song” works better as a stand-alone tune than I song to kick-off the movie. And I actually liked her "Bond" music video for it, but then again, I’m a fan of Madge. Lulu’s TMWTGG is a pale attempt to match Macca’s LALD. The song itself, however, doesn’t over stay its’ welcome, and when combined with Binder’s title sequence works as “parody-porn.” Crow's TND is somewhat bland, but OK.

    Tough choices here, but for me it’s between AWTD and TWOTW, with my final vote going to Sam Smith’s TWOTW.
  • MurdockMurdock The minus world
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    Murdock wrote: »
    NTTD is by far the worst title song.

    I'd suggest that one ought to see a title song in its proper context: with the titles, somewhere near the beginning of the movie -- before judging it. Unless you've just returned from a jaunt into the future, I suspect you haven't seen NTTD yet -- so you may be just a bit premature in your assessment.

    Well the question is worst title song not title sequence. I've heard the song plenty of times already and think it's pretty terrible. I don't need to see the titles to know if the song is bad since the song is readily available.
  • Murdock wrote: »
    Murdock wrote: »
    NTTD is by far the worst title song.

    I'd suggest that one ought to see a title song in its proper context: with the titles, somewhere near the beginning of the movie -- before judging it. Unless you've just returned from a jaunt into the future, I suspect you haven't seen NTTD yet -- so you may be just a bit premature in your assessment.

    Well the question is worst title song not title sequence. I've heard the song plenty of times already and think it's pretty terrible. I don't need to see the titles to know if the song is bad since the song is readily available.

    As I've noted above, Madonna's terrible song is ameliorated somewhat by its placement in the context of the film. Until we see the film itself we won't really know if that's the case here, will we? But if you prefer to form an opinion based on incomplete evidence, go ahead & knock yourself out...
  • R1s1ngs0nR1s1ngs0n France
    edited May 2020 Posts: 2,148
    AWTD - no contest! I despise that sorry excuse for a song, let alone a Bond theme.
    DAD follows not far behind - didn’t imagine anything could be worse until AWTD arrived.
    TND is actually a good song ruined by a terrible singer.
    WOTW - kinda grows on you after a couple of listens, but still pretty bad.
    TMWTGG - lyrically laughable but musically still miles better than the others on that list. Admittedly, I prefer the slower instrumental version on the soundtrack which is vintage Barry.
  • R1s1ngs0nR1s1ngs0n France
    edited May 2020 Posts: 2,148
    If I may suggest a future Bondie.
    The Best Bond Song Lyrics:

    You Only Live Twice
    We Have All The Time In The World
    Diamonds Are Forever
    Nobody Does It Better
    You Know My Name

    For the academy’s kind consideration

  • NickTwentyTwoNickTwentyTwo Vancouver, BC, Canada
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    R1s1ngs0n wrote: »
    If I may suggest a future Bondie.
    The Best Bond Song Lyrics:

    You Only Live Twice
    We Have All The Time In The World
    Diamonds Are Forever
    Nobody Does It Better
    You Know My Name

    For the academy’s kind consideration

    I know what I'd pick.
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    Writing's On The Wall
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    Jack White and Alicia Keys Another Way to Die from Quantum of Solace
    this is such a piece of crap which is totally surprising when you consider the talent involved in this song.
  • Once again, the choice is complicated. If I have no trouble excluding TMWTGG which is a guilty pleasure of mine, choosing the worst theme is more complicated. Ultimately, my vote goes to Another Way to Die.
  • NickTwentyTwoNickTwentyTwo Vancouver, BC, Canada
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    Once again, the choice is complicated. If I have no trouble excluding TMWTGG which is a guilty pleasure of mine, choosing the worst theme is more complicated. Ultimately, my vote goes to Another Way to Die.

    Agree with you on TMWTGG, love that it's jam-packed with fun lyricism, even if it's totally silly. Very memorable song.

    It's funny, it's easy for me to see why people hate AWTD but I still enjoy it a lot.
  • Agent_OneAgent_One Ireland
    edited May 2020 Posts: 280
    Birdleson wrote: »
    THE LIVING DAYLIGHTS, by lightyears for me (unless we include NSNA, that's worse). I like the ones that seem to be the most hated: TMWTGG, DAD, AWTD. None of them are favorites, but I like them.
    I always forget the TLD song even exists. In my mind the theme for that film has always been an instrumental like OHMSS.
  • mtmmtm United Kingdom
    edited May 2020 Posts: 16,418
    Well the writing's on the wall for 'Writings on the Wall' for me. It's so pedestrian and unimaginative (although not quite as much as NTTD which manages to combine WOTW and Skyfall and manages to come up with something utterly inoffensive but completely bland as a result). It's the only one I actively hate and I'd love it if the Spectre disc had come with an option to play the Radiohead song on an alternate track.

    Of the others, Die Another Day is never going to be my favourite but it is at least original and has a bit of violence about it; Tomorrow Never Dies is a perfectly decent song and is more original than Surrender; Golden Gun isn't a good song at all, but at least turns into a lovely tune in the score; Another Way To Die is great and is the only real rock Bond song for my money- just listen to that drumming.
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    Yes, Writings on the Wall for me as well, for all the reasons @mtm said, and then some.

    PS: I only disagree about Surrender, I absolutely love it, always have. Driving around listening to it is an absolute joy :)
  • mtmmtm United Kingdom
    edited May 2020 Posts: 16,418
    Univex wrote: »
    PS: I only disagree about Surrender, I absolutely love it, always have. Driving around listening to it is an absolute joy :)

    I enjoy it but it's a guilty pleasure. It's a pastiche and would have been the wrong choice for a title song: it would have been Bond eating itself just a bit too much. Kind of like if they picked a Connery impressionist to play Bond: keep one eye on the sixties to some extent but you've got to move with the times too.

    One final note on WOTW is that it's hard not to feel hugely cheated by it as well- that lush orchestral opening promises so much and then completely disappears to be replaced by self indulgent song-writing with overlong verses. It's horrid.
    Give me Another Way To Die any day of the week. I love the insistent and brassy rhythm of the chorus.
  • NickTwentyTwoNickTwentyTwo Vancouver, BC, Canada
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    mtm wrote: »
    Univex wrote: »
    PS: I only disagree about Surrender, I absolutely love it, always have. Driving around listening to it is an absolute joy :)

    I enjoy it but it's a guilty pleasure. It's a pastiche and would have been the wrong choice for a title song: it would have been Bond eating itself just a bit too much. Kind of like if they picked a Connery impressionist to play Bond: keep one eye on the sixties to some extent but you've got to move with the times too.

    One final note on WOTW is that it's hard not to feel hugely cheated by it as well- that lush orchestral opening promises so much and then completely disappears to be replaced by self indulgent song-writing with overlong verses. It's horrid.
    Give me Another Way To Die any day of the week. I love the insistent and brassy rhythm of the chorus.

    What are your thoughts on Bassey's No Good About Goodbye?
  • mtmmtm United Kingdom
    edited May 2020 Posts: 16,418
    mtm wrote: »
    Univex wrote: »
    PS: I only disagree about Surrender, I absolutely love it, always have. Driving around listening to it is an absolute joy :)

    I enjoy it but it's a guilty pleasure. It's a pastiche and would have been the wrong choice for a title song: it would have been Bond eating itself just a bit too much. Kind of like if they picked a Connery impressionist to play Bond: keep one eye on the sixties to some extent but you've got to move with the times too.

    One final note on WOTW is that it's hard not to feel hugely cheated by it as well- that lush orchestral opening promises so much and then completely disappears to be replaced by self indulgent song-writing with overlong verses. It's horrid.
    Give me Another Way To Die any day of the week. I love the insistent and brassy rhythm of the chorus.

    What are your thoughts on Bassey's No Good About Goodbye?

    I don't really have any strong opinions on it. It's not terribly interesting to me. Why?

    Arnold said it wasn't an unused song for QoS but just developed at a later point from an idea he used in the score to it. I've got no reason to disbelieve him as he was pretty open on his song idea for DAD not being used.
  • NickTwentyTwoNickTwentyTwo Vancouver, BC, Canada
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    I didn't know Arnold wrote it. I was just wondering if, had it been in contention for QoS theme, if AWTD would still have been an easy win or if you liked NGAG.
  • MooseWithFleasMooseWithFleas Philadelphia
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    I actively enjoy every title song, with the exception of Another Way to Die, which I use to really dislike, and now it's just kind of eh, fine.
    But still the Klebbie goes to AWTD
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    What are your thoughts on Bassey's No Good About Goodbye?
    I, for one, love it.
  • mtmmtm United Kingdom
    edited May 2020 Posts: 16,418
    I didn't know Arnold wrote it. I was just wondering if, had it been in contention for QoS theme, if AWTD would still have been an easy win or if you liked NGAG.

    Yeah I'd take AWTD over that. I don't hate it or anything but there isn't much good about No Good About Goodbye, I tend to think.
    Did you spot it has the QoS motif quite heavily featured in it?
  • NickTwentyTwoNickTwentyTwo Vancouver, BC, Canada
    edited May 2020 Posts: 7,551
    Shirley has an unbelievable voice IMO, which for me would be the one enduring good thing about NGAG and her other songs. But fair enough if it's not your cup of tea.

    Yeah it’s definitely very noticeable.
  • mtmmtm United Kingdom
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    Bit of a clue who wrote it, I tend to think! :)

    It’s quite a voice but not always the most subtle. Give me Dionne Warwick’s version of Kiss Kiss Bang Bang any day, for example.
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    Shirley is after all the quintessential Bond song performer, she has a few classics that always make me think from which movie is that song. History repeating should have been used in a 007 movie.
    She is the classic among the performers.
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    SaintMark wrote: »
    Shirley is after all the quintessential Bond song performer, she has a few classics that always make me think from which movie is that song. History repeating should have been used in a 007 movie.
    She is the classic among the performers.
    +1
  • Max_The_ParrotMax_The_Parrot ATAC to St Cyril’s
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    Us parrots are well known for our musical good taste, but there’s an obvious choice that always bombs at the weekly karaoke night. The result of the vote from the DRP goes to TWOTW
  • GoldenGunGoldenGun Per ora e per il momento che verrà
    edited May 2020 Posts: 7,136
    I quite like Lulu's and Madonna's title songs, contrary to popular consensus.

    Now that I think of it, there is only one song in all Bond, including additional songs and video game songs, that I actively dislike: Sam Smith's endless whining in Writing's on the Wall.
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    I even go as far as saying that another song in SP would have elevated the film.
  • Posts: 7,653
    Univex wrote: »
    I even go as far as saying that another song in SP would have elevated the film.

    Nothing could have elevated SP a complete rewrite of the script and a different director might help, blaming the title-song is like blaming Trump for being a human, we both know that is not right.
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