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  • VenutiusVenutius Yorkshire
    edited October 2022 Posts: 3,152
    All well-deserved nominees - sides o' ham, the lot of em. I think I go Obruchev, just because there's no place in a CraigBond film for a stock fool who appears to have been found under a dustsheet at the back of the TWINE production office.
  • echoecho 007 in New York
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    Berkoff is amazing in OP. So him.
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    I vote for Obrachev. Maybe the only moment I liked Nomi was when she offed the guy.

    Roberts wasn't hammy, just a poor fit for a poorly written character.
  • peterpeter Toronto
    Posts: 9,509
    Carver.

    I love Pryce but I despised his performance in TND. Although his objective was amazing (as a plot), his performance was brutal. He posed no threat. He was a cartoon that would have his comeuppance (other Bond villains may seem cartoonish, but their execution brings a sense of true danger ( to me Dr. No, Goldfinger, LeChiffre, to name a few)).
  • NickTwentyTwoNickTwentyTwo Vancouver, BC, Canada
    Posts: 7,547
    You guys are all way off base. Pryce played Carver deliciously, and Obruchev was a great character in NTTD.
  • thedovethedove hiding in the Greek underworld
    Posts: 5,426
    I love some controversy! Great to see different opinions and thoughts. If I had a vote it would be for David in NTTD. I laughed at his introduction, but as the movie wore on I just found it hitting the same notes and quite out of place with the other characters.
  • SIS_HQSIS_HQ At the Vauxhall Headquarters
    edited November 2022 Posts: 3,789
    Ham-fisted performance? Then look no other than Talisa Soto as Lupe Lamora, just look at her delivery of "I love James so much" line.

    And there's some scenes where her acting was a bit exaggerated, particularly at the third act, those interactions of she and Bond alone, their love scene.
  • ThunderfingerThunderfinger Das Boot Hill
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    I will give it to Pryce, although i like his hamming in this. For the most part.
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    Definitely Jonathan Pryce! Ham acting at its worst!
  • ProfJoeButcherProfJoeButcher Bless your heart
    Posts: 1,711
    MI6HQ wrote: »
    Ham-fisted performance? Then look no other than Talisa Soto as Lupe Lamora, just look at her delivery of "I love James so much" line.

    I don't understand that. She's obviously a melodramatic golddigger type, and her reading of that line is as ridiculous in the world of the movie as is it is to the viewer. It's even mocked by another character for Christ's sake!

    I guess from the nominees, I'd go with Carver. My actual vote might be Fiona Volpe, controversially, I imagine. Her "Bond James Bond who only has to make love to a woman" speech is as hammy as the series ever gets.

  • R1s1ngs0nR1s1ngs0n France
    Posts: 2,148
    Berkoff.
  • Last_Rat_StandingLast_Rat_Standing Long Neck Ice Cold Beer Never Broke My Heart
    Posts: 4,588
    I'll go with Carver. One of the most underrated Bond villians and my favorite of the Brosnan era.
  • goldenswissroyalegoldenswissroyale Switzerland
    Posts: 4,483
    Berkoff works fine for me. Pryce overacts a bit but I like it this way. I also like the scene where he is mocking Wai Lin by doing the kicks (!). But I agree, that Pryce's performence doesn't help to make this villain menacing.
    Roberts is shouting a bit too much and she isn't the best actress but there are many other Bondgirls who didn't do a better job, in my opinion, especially in the Moore era.
    Joe Don Baker is okay for me, not a highlight but nothing that would take me out of the movie.
    I have to vote for Obruchev. His last scenes on the island are a bit too much (but it doesn't really bother me, either).

    Does it make sense to vote for a klebbie while stating that one loves the specific character?
  • Tokoloshe2Tokoloshe2 Northern Ireland
    Posts: 1,175
    The hammiest 'actor' (if one can even call him that) in any Bond film must surely be the over-acting extra sitting on Sylvia Trench's left-hand side here:



    The guy's constant head twitching and exaggerated reactions are hilarious! Unfortunately once seen it somewhat detracts from the coolest character introduction in cinematic history... I now find myself unable to take my eyes off him!
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    Tokoloshe2 wrote: »
    The hammiest 'actor' (if one can even call him that) in any Bond film must surely be the over-acting extra sitting on Sylvia Trench's left-hand side here:



    The guy's constant head twitching and exaggerated reactions are hilarious! Unfortunately once seen it somewhat detracts from the coolest character introduction in cinematic history... I now find myself unable to take my eyes off him!

    Good one! There's also a guy in the background in SF, in the sequence where Bond is pursuing Silva in the subway, who has such an annoying pronounced walk you'd think he was on a catwalk!
    Now that I've seen him, he always catches my eye anytime I watch SF (Which isn't often 😉)
  • edited November 2022 Posts: 4,139
    Tokoloshe2 wrote: »
    The hammiest 'actor' (if one can even call him that) in any Bond film must surely be the over-acting extra sitting on Sylvia Trench's left-hand side here:



    The guy's constant head twitching and exaggerated reactions are hilarious! Unfortunately once seen it somewhat detracts from the coolest character introduction in cinematic history... I now find myself unable to take my eyes off him!

    Wow, those head movements... the guy's giving the double taking pigeon a run for his money...

    Anyway, I'll nominate Obruchev in NTTD. Guy just sounds like he's doing an impression of that weird computer generated meerkat from the Compare the Market ads we have here in the UK to me...
  • SIS_HQSIS_HQ At the Vauxhall Headquarters
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    007HallY wrote: »
    Tokoloshe2 wrote: »
    The hammiest 'actor' (if one can even call him that) in any Bond film must surely be the over-acting extra sitting on Sylvia Trench's left-hand side here:



    The guy's constant head twitching and exaggerated reactions are hilarious! Unfortunately once seen it somewhat detracts from the coolest character introduction in cinematic history... I now find myself unable to take my eyes off him!

    Wow, those head movements... the guy's giving the double taking pigeon a run for his money...

    Anyway, I'll nominate Obruchev in NTTD. Guy just sounds like he's doing an impression of that weird computer generated meerkat from the Compare the Market ads we have here in the UK to me...

    I've heard some people referring to him as the lovechild of Borat and Boris Grishenko (GE)?
  • ThunderfingerThunderfinger Das Boot Hill
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    I would have put Xenia on the list as well.
  • edited November 2022 Posts: 4,139
    MI6HQ wrote: »
    007HallY wrote: »
    Tokoloshe2 wrote: »
    The hammiest 'actor' (if one can even call him that) in any Bond film must surely be the over-acting extra sitting on Sylvia Trench's left-hand side here:



    The guy's constant head twitching and exaggerated reactions are hilarious! Unfortunately once seen it somewhat detracts from the coolest character introduction in cinematic history... I now find myself unable to take my eyes off him!

    Wow, those head movements... the guy's giving the double taking pigeon a run for his money...

    Anyway, I'll nominate Obruchev in NTTD. Guy just sounds like he's doing an impression of that weird computer generated meerkat from the Compare the Market ads we have here in the UK to me...

    I've heard some people referring to him as the lovechild of Borat and Boris Grishenko (GE)?

    I can see that. Lots of Borat vibes for sure...

    I get what they were trying to do with Obruchev, but it just feels wrong. As a character he's too involved in the whole Heracles plot to the point where you're not sure whether he's meant to be this sinister villain or a bumbling side character (his weird racist rant at the end doesn't help). At least JW Pepper was so disconnected to the actual story that his presence is just a bit of comic relief. Or Zukovsky simply being a charming renegade but not an actual villain. Heck, even Boris in GE was played more for laughs and feels a bit more consistent.
  • AgentJamesBond007AgentJamesBond007 Vesper’s grave
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    I'd like to nominate Jeroen Krabbe's performance from TLD
  • j_w_pepperj_w_pepper Born on the bayou, but I now hear a new dog barkin'
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    I don't have any trouble with Obruchev. He is just portrayed as a corrupt weasel (I apologize to those cute little animals), and in my opinion it works. You'll have to accept him as a scientist who has gone haywire, maybe because his antics caused people to reject him in spite of his scientific prowess. He's less of a maniac than many others, including Boris ("I am invincible!"). There is less of comic relief about him than with many other villains/henchmen in the series.

    And no, I don't approve of his fake Russian accent, just the same as with Boris.

    The following applies to all of the "candidates": Are they really "hamming", or are they mainly following directions from, yes, the director? Actually, I don't have a real problem with any of their performances in context. Four out of five were intended to be over-the-top villains, and they did their job nicely.

    The only one that I would be critical of is Tanya Roberts. But not because she's overacting, but rather because her acting isn't good. And with all apologies, since one shouldn't talk badly about the dead.

    So I just abstain from voting in this contest.
  • echoecho 007 in New York
    edited November 2022 Posts: 6,297
    I think you have to be a good actor to "ham it up." Like Berkoff or Pryce or Krabbe.

    Unfortunately, Roberts and DeSoto were/are not good actors.

    Zerbe is a more interesting choice from LTK.
  • CraigMooreOHMSSCraigMooreOHMSS Dublin, Ireland
    Posts: 8,216
    If we're including extras, then....

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    That is some of the hammiest sweeping ever!
  • NickTwentyTwoNickTwentyTwo Vancouver, BC, Canada
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    I always kind of thought "hamming it up" and "chewing the scenery" were similar terms. But I think "chewing the scenery" is a positive thing to say about an actor... I could be wrong.
  • j_w_pepperj_w_pepper Born on the bayou, but I now hear a new dog barkin'
    Posts: 9,030
    I'd like to nominate Jeroen Krabbe's performance from TLD

    Yes, he certainly should have belonged among the candidates...although the reservations from my last posting apply to him/his character as well.
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    Since "hammiest" has pejorative tones I won't nominate Berkoff--his performance is intentionally over-the-top but also carefully modulated, with moments of quietness between the bombast. He's portraying a self-dramatic, psychotic martinet and his performance fits the character and arguably elevates it.

    Whittaker's character is supposed to be a crass armchair general, so I thought Joe Don Baker did a fine job of making Whittaker repugnant. Roberts is the only one on the list guilty of straight-up bad acting. Pryce is condescending to his role and perhaps deserves the prize. But I think I'll select Dencik as Obruchev. He's playing a broad one-note cartoon and doesn't fit with the rest of the film, even at its most outlandish.
  • thedovethedove hiding in the Greek underworld
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    Great discussion! Love the thought and care going into the votes. I must admit I enjoy Berkoff and how he says "Czechoslovakia" is pure gold. I know he has fans, wasn't sure if anyone thought he was too much for the movie.

    The extras might need to get their own category, I suppose a good extra isn't noticed, but those bad ones can stick out like a sore thumb.
  • SIS_HQSIS_HQ At the Vauxhall Headquarters
    edited November 2022 Posts: 3,789
    I enjoyed Berkoff's performance and I didn't see anything wrong with his acting, despite of Octopussy having such a convoluted plot, I though enjoyed him.
    He's also convincing as a Russian either, so no problems for Berkoff either, he's more convincing than some actors/actresses playing Russians in the series like Barbara Bach, or those Russians portrayed in the Brosnan Era with the exception of Izabella Scorupco (and she's Polish).

    Though, I'll admit he's no FRWL cast like Lotte Lenya, Robert Shaw, or Vladek Sheybal.

    We can safely say that Roberts was definitely miscast in the role and just chosen purely for her beautiful looks just like the previous Bond Girls in the series (barring Honor Blackman and Diana Rigg), and her character was weak, if she's not a geologist and just an heiress of a company like how she's depicted at times in the film, I would definitely understand her shouting, her screaming, like I could make an argument that she's just a normal and innocent woman got involved in a tight situation, just like Kara Milovy. But they made her a Geologist, which requires a Professionalism or to act like a Professional, and Roberts had failed to do that, which is why for me, she's a convoluted character, her geologist acting, makes Denisre Richard's portrayal of Christmas Jones seemed more professional and plausible in comparison, is it a hammy (overacting) acting? You could make an argument to that because of her screaming and shouting, but that's how she's really depicted (an innocent woman trapped in a dangerous situations like the burning elevator), but I'd just say her acting was a bit lacking really, especially in terms of Professionality with her being a Geologist, so definitely not a hammy acting, but really lacking and mediocre.

    Edit: Oh, I also forgot about Pryce, but I think it's not a hammy acting when it comes to him, he's not overacting, actually his performance was just lacking (in menace, threatening value). Like there's a potential, it could have been a lot more better, but yes, it is what it is, but when you look at him, he really did looked like a villain, from his glasses up to his wardrobe, he had the villain factor in him, but it's not that much obvious in the actual, his henchman, Stamper (Götz Otto) even upstaged him as he did the most menacing scenes or even Dr. Kaufman (Vincent Schiavelli). I think Jonathan Pryce is a decent villain, it could have been a lot more better regarding his performance, there's a potential.


    Jeroen Krabbe in TLD, I think it has a lot more to do with the writing or the directing, I think he would be great in the role had he given a script that fits his strengths, or been directed based on his strengths as an actor, no problem to him as an actor, but I think it's more on the script or the writing of the character.

    David Denczik I think was miscast in the role too, but in a different case, because of credibility.
    Valdo Obruchev was meant to be a Russian Scientist whose bumbling, using dirty jokes, racist, almost like Boris Grishenko, but with a bit more Professionality and maturity to him, not childish.
    The thing is, if Valdo Obruchev was played with a younger actor, let's say an actor in his 30's, not looking old like Denczik, it would have been more believable and credible. I mean Denczik's looks doesn't really fit in with the description of the character in terms of attitude, he looks like someone's irritating dad, if you get what I mean of that. I though understand what they're aiming with this character, but it's just the casting, he's really miscast in the role, had the character been played by a more younger looking, a bit looking like comedy in appearance like say Charlie Day or a young guy who looked naive and a bit comic, I think it would be a lot more believable and funny, and also natural.
    When I first saw Denczik in a promotional stills of NTTD, I thought of him as someone whose serious, stoic at some point, like Einstein, an old guy with a fatherly attitude to him.
    But when I've heard some people's reactions towards him in the film that he's playing a dirty comedy character, like I couldn't imagine it at all with him, and then I've watched him and I'm not wrong, he doesn't really fit, he's more cringe for me than funny, not believable, definitely miscast, so yes, I think Denczik would be my pick.

    Though, there's also a lot of actors/actresses in the Bond series that didn't mentioned and deserves a nomination here too.

  • peter wrote: »
    Carver.

    I love Pryce but I despised his performance in TND. Although his objective was amazing (as a plot), his performance was brutal. He posed no threat. He was a cartoon that would have his comeuppance (other Bond villains may seem cartoonish, but their execution brings a sense of true danger ( to me Dr. No, Goldfinger, LeChiffre, to name a few)).

    You're right, he was only going to remove Bond's genitals and still-beating heart from his body. Nothing sinister.
  • Posts: 1,917
    Tokoloshe2 wrote: »
    The hammiest 'actor' (if one can even call him that) in any Bond film must surely be the over-acting extra sitting on Sylvia Trench's left-hand side here:



    The guy's constant head twitching and exaggerated reactions are hilarious! Unfortunately once seen it somewhat detracts from the coolest character introduction in cinematic history... I now find myself unable to take my eyes off him!

    Another reason to watch the film again. Now that you mentioned him, I noticed the lady on Connery's left in the sunglasses who also seems to be trying to match him in expressions, although with a lot less time.
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