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  • BT3366BT3366
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    Mathis1 wrote: »
    Brosnan in DAD!
    He's worse in GE and TWINE, but since they're not here!!
    I wouldn't have put Craig in QOS in the list either, he delivers a superb performance!

    Two of us weighing in here, could we have Brosnan as a write-in for TWINE? I think his DAD performance is one of that film's highlights. Also like the tougher Moore of TMWTGG and Craig is good in QoS.

    I've long believed that Connery's "sleepwalking" YOLT performance is more a result of Roald Dahl's screenplay and Lewis Gilbert's direction that focuses more on getting Bond onto Ken Adam sets and the Japanese locations and into various vehicles.

    Moore's AVTAK performance suffers from less of the easy charm where he feels in command to more dramatic moments that worked in FYEO and OP that worked better in those but not here as well as those clunky action scenes. But it just adds to the all-around mess that is AVTAK.
  • SecretAgentMan⁰⁰⁷SecretAgentMan⁰⁰⁷ Lekki, Lagos, Nigeria
    edited February 11 Posts: 2,016
    I love all of the above Bond performances and can't pick any. I'm surprised to find QoS there, though. That's Craig's Bond at his electrifying best.
  • echoecho 007 in New York
    Posts: 6,297
    BT3366 wrote: »
    Mathis1 wrote: »
    Brosnan in DAD!
    He's worse in GE and TWINE, but since they're not here!!
    I wouldn't have put Craig in QOS in the list either, he delivers a superb performance!

    Two of us weighing in here, could we have Brosnan as a write-in for TWINE? I think his DAD performance is one of that film's highlights. Also like the tougher Moore of TMWTGG and Craig is good in QoS.

    I've long believed that Connery's "sleepwalking" YOLT performance is more a result of Roald Dahl's screenplay and Lewis Gilbert's direction that focuses more on getting Bond onto Ken Adam sets and the Japanese locations and into various vehicles.

    Moore's AVTAK performance suffers from less of the easy charm where he feels in command to more dramatic moments that worked in FYEO and OP that worked better in those but not here as well as those clunky action scenes. But it just adds to the all-around mess that is AVTAK.

    I think Connery is in YOLT out of contractual obligation and gives a subpar performance because he felt he deserved more money (blame your agent, maybe, Sean?). It's unprofessional. I couldn't see the other Bonds, except for Lazenby, phoning it in like that.

    Connery *was* Bond but he was also a bit of a d**k.

    IMHO, Brosnan is miles better in DAD than in TWINE. In fact, I think DAD might be the best of his four performances.
  • BT3366BT3366
    Posts: 1,917
    echo wrote: »
    BT3366 wrote: »
    Mathis1 wrote: »
    Brosnan in DAD!
    He's worse in GE and TWINE, but since they're not here!!
    I wouldn't have put Craig in QOS in the list either, he delivers a superb performance!

    Two of us weighing in here, could we have Brosnan as a write-in for TWINE? I think his DAD performance is one of that film's highlights. Also like the tougher Moore of TMWTGG and Craig is good in QoS.

    I've long believed that Connery's "sleepwalking" YOLT performance is more a result of Roald Dahl's screenplay and Lewis Gilbert's direction that focuses more on getting Bond onto Ken Adam sets and the Japanese locations and into various vehicles.

    Moore's AVTAK performance suffers from less of the easy charm where he feels in command to more dramatic moments that worked in FYEO and OP that worked better in those but not here as well as those clunky action scenes. But it just adds to the all-around mess that is AVTAK.

    I think Connery is in YOLT out of contractual obligation and gives a subpar performance because he felt he deserved more money (blame your agent, maybe, Sean?). It's unprofessional. I couldn't see the other Bonds, except for Lazenby, phoning it in like that.

    Connery *was* Bond but he was also a bit of a d**k.

    IMHO, Brosnan is miles better in DAD than in TWINE. In fact, I think DAD might be the best of his four performances.

    Agree about Brosnan in DAD. That seems to be forgotten in all the dislike for everything surrounding it. It's not uncommon for a performer to be better than the material he's given to work with.
  • SecretAgentMan⁰⁰⁷SecretAgentMan⁰⁰⁷ Lekki, Lagos, Nigeria
    Posts: 2,016
    Yeah, Brosnan's performance in DAD is similar to TND. The man is all about being slick. Drama isn't his thing. Just like Brosnan's kind of slickness during action scenes isn't Craig's thing.
  • CommanderRossCommanderRoss The bottom of a pitch lake in Eastern Trinidad, place called La Brea
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    For Connery, to me, his worst is DAF. I feel he just didn't bother at all, he was done with the character and wasn't there for any artistic motives. Pity, he's still one of the finest actors ever.
    For Brosnan, DAD wasn't his worst perfarmance at all, that would be TWINE. That film is so unbalanced even Connery and Craig would've struggled, and Brosnan certainly doesn't know which way to go with the character.
    QoS is, to my mind, Craig's finest performance and my favorite James Bond, on par with TB. (if anything, the 'we had a mutual friend' is an amazing homage to Mathis and shows he does care, instead of what people think because of the dumpster. QoS is a far more realistic world, and Bond makes very realistic choices. The fact that he says that before killing the head of Police shows he's professional enough to keep going (it's not like he's got time on his hands) but still makes the point).
    I don't think Moore is bad at all in TMWTGG, but the script is all over the place and makes a mess out of everything. Pity, the one time they should've actually taken the time to flesh things out a bit more..
    But now I come to (my) elephant in the room, for as much as I like Moore, and as much as I like AVTAK, it really isn't his best performance (nor that of his stuntmen). I like the story, the way it is executed, but Moore just can't keep up anymore, and it shows. SO, AVTAK takes the cake.
  • DEKE_RIVERSDEKE_RIVERS
    edited February 11 Posts: 1,340
    echo wrote: »
    BT3366 wrote: »
    Mathis1 wrote: »
    Brosnan in DAD!
    He's worse in GE and TWINE, but since they're not here!!
    I wouldn't have put Craig in QOS in the list either, he delivers a superb performance!

    Two of us weighing in here, could we have Brosnan as a write-in for TWINE? I think his DAD performance is one of that film's highlights. Also like the tougher Moore of TMWTGG and Craig is good in QoS.

    I've long believed that Connery's "sleepwalking" YOLT performance is more a result of Roald Dahl's screenplay and Lewis Gilbert's direction that focuses more on getting Bond onto Ken Adam sets and the Japanese locations and into various vehicles.

    Moore's AVTAK performance suffers from less of the easy charm where he feels in command to more dramatic moments that worked in FYEO and OP that worked better in those but not here as well as those clunky action scenes. But it just adds to the all-around mess that is AVTAK.

    I think Connery is in YOLT out of contractual obligation and gives a subpar performance because he felt he deserved more money (blame your agent, maybe, Sean?). It's unprofessional. I couldn't see the other Bonds, except for Lazenby, phoning it in like that.

    Connery *was* Bond but he was also a bit of a d**k.

    IMHO, Brosnan is miles better in DAD than in TWINE. In fact, I think DAD might be the best of his four performances.

    They gave him a subpar script. Everyone was tired.
    Ken Adam and John Barry saved the day. That's all.
  • ColonelAdamskiColonelAdamski UK
    edited February 11 Posts: 1,078
    I think Brosnan in TWINE is the least commendable acting performance by a James Bond actor. And I loved Pierce in the roll most of the time, especially in TND. . . but he was unconvincing in certain scenes in TWINE, is a way Connery in his last two never was.
    Craig is my least favourite cinematic Bond, but as an actor, I think he's brilliant. I think he even had more screen presence than Brosnan or Dalton, who I much prefer in the role as James Bond.
    There's a bit in CR, when Craig answers M. She says something like "I'd say don't make it personal, but that's not your problem, is it Bond?", and he says "no", and it's delivered in such a way that you can hear his distain, his rebelliousness, ruthlessness and determination all in that one syllable.
    Actually, Dench was great at pulling it out of whoever she was in a scene with. There's a scene in TWINE where she tells Bond "I will not accept insubordination" and Brozza passes her a drink (or something), and says "what happened?", and changes teh tone of the conversation. It's his most effective line in the movie.

    I've probably got loads of those quotes wrong, but I'm sure someone here will put me right.

  • goldenswissroyalegoldenswissroyale Switzerland
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    I would give the Klebbie to Connery in YOLT.
  • thedovethedove hiding in the Greek underworld
    edited February 16 Posts: 5,426
    As I flutter to the stage I look around and see the crowd is anxious.

    Lets get right to it the Klebbie for the worst Bond actor performance is Sean Connery in YOLT accepting the award is a sleep walking agent!

    Here is a breakdown on the voting:
    • Moore in AVTAK 1 vote
    • Connery in DAF 1 vote
    • Brosnan in TWINE 2 votes
    • Brosnan in DAD 1 vote

    Let move on to our next category. Over the course of the 25 films there have been deaths. Some memorable and some, well lets us say they are more of a WTF category. So today we shall vote on the worst non-sensical death! These deaths were either non-sensical to the overall story, or just don't make logical sense. Here are the nominees.
    • Dawes gets an earful LALD An agent listening to the UN ramblings of a small country politician. When suddenly his cable is switched and he is...volumed to death? How can one die from getting a sound transmitted to your ear? The movie never explains or bothers too much with that detail.
    • Plenty is mistaken DAF Wint and Kidd have been carrying out their killings with precision and sometimes haste...poor Shady Tree. But then we are to believe they that they mistakenly think Plenty O'Toole is really Tiffany Case. They've seen Miss Case and know her appearance, but they still kill the wrong person? Something doesn't add up.
    • Pilot gets an eerie shock FYEO Similar to Dawes a SPECTRE agent is piloting Mister Bond when suddenly blue shocks attack his ear and he's dead. Does Blofeld use the same tech as Kananga? Never explained nor is how a bolt of electricity can be delivered through headphones. In a grounded movie this kill sticks out like a sore thumb.
    • Felica dies for a stranger TSWLM would you take a bullet for a stranger? Felica does in TSWLM. Having just met Bond and engaged in some gentle kissing, Felica sacrifices herself for our man. OR our man uses her as a shield to take a bullet meant for him. Either way this doesn't play well and makes no sense.
    • Last guard, first to die DN Bond, Honey and Quarrel are hiding in the weeds of the river. A group of No's guards move by and our heroes think they are safe, but wait another guard comes after. Instead of hiding again Bond thinks it's a good idea to kill the guard. But won't this be noticed when the guards report back that one is missing? Why not let this fella walk by like his previous peers?

    Which death is your worst WTF death? Give us your reasons for your vote and lets see which one rises, or is that falls to the winner position!
  • goldenswissroyalegoldenswissroyale Switzerland
    edited February 15 Posts: 4,483
    I have to vote for TSWLM. This is really odd. I wonder how this was written in the screenplay?
    The first kill in LALD would also deserve a Klebbie.
  • thedovethedove hiding in the Greek underworld
    Posts: 5,426
    Maybe someone who read the novelization will chime in with why she would take a bullet. It makes no sense to me as she has just met Bond and has no idea who he is or why he wants to speak to Fakesh.

    I think that would be my vote too, though the ear shocks have always bothered me. Maybe I shall think about this more before casting my vote.
  • CraigMooreOHMSSCraigMooreOHMSS Dublin, Ireland
    Posts: 8,216
    To be fair to the first kill in LALD, it's an ultrasonic sound wave that kills Dawes (hence the sound we hear) and those are, in theory, extremely harmful to humans. It's a pretty novel way to kill someone, even if the film doesn't make it abundantly clear that is what is happening.

    I'd probably go with Felicia in TSWLM. It's a very silly scene capped off with a strange death, but at least the following scene makes up for it.
  • CommanderRossCommanderRoss The bottom of a pitch lake in Eastern Trinidad, place called La Brea
    Posts: 8,253
    Not only is it unclear why Wint and Kidd kil poor Plenty, even though they know what she looks like, there's no reason at all for Plenty to be there in the first place. She was dropped from a hotel room and was lucky to live. Would she ever try to get back to the man that was involved? And if so, how would she end up at the villa? She managed to get a private detective in the meantime?

    The ear-kills are lazy writing and make little snese, but are one-dimentional kills, they could've been done differently. Felicia is indeed out there as well, but again, it was a single wtf. With Plenty, there are plenty. I'll go for Plenty.
  • MooseWithFleasMooseWithFleas Philadelphia
    Posts: 3,369
    Felicia in Spy for me as well
  • BT3366BT3366
    Posts: 1,917
    I was always under the impression that Bond used Felicia as a shield much the way he did Fiona in TB, showcasing the ruthless Moore edge he'd further display when letting Sandor fall a few minutes later rather than her sacrificing herself.

    The DN guard death I always took to again establish the dirty side of having a OO designation, although I'd have thought Dent's execution would've been more than enough to establish that. This way he does it in front of others whereas the other was alone.

    DAF is a mess to begin with so no real surprise this is another misstep. I can only guess Wint and Kidd took a page out of Stromberg's book and decided to take out anyone who comes into contact with the real Case and Franks/Bond.

    For the vote, I'll go with the Plenty death.
  • Last_Rat_StandingLast_Rat_Standing Long Neck Ice Cold Beer Never Broke My Heart
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    @CommanderRoss

    There's a DAF deleted scene that shows Plenty going back into Bond's room and stealing Tiffany's ID, I believe and that's how she ended up at the pool house
  • VenutiusVenutius Yorkshire
    Posts: 3,152
    Craig was pretty much flawless in OOS, I'd say. Wouldn't change a note of his performance. However, if the nomination had cited the Blofeld interrogation scene from NTTD...
  • thedovethedove hiding in the Greek underworld
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    Okay time to rack them up and see which was voted the most WTF death of the series.

    The Klebbie goes to Felica dies for a stranger TSWLM as she approaches the lectern she screams and takes another bullet from someone up high. Guess she is always willing to put herself in harms way.

    Our votes went to Spy and DAF.

    Lets swing back to the Bondie side and see who the academy prefers when it comes to Daniel Craig performances! Daniel was the first Bond to get a story arc from film 1 to film 5. Lets see what the academy was his best performance.

    The nominees are
    • Daniel is flush in CR starting off strong Daniel seems to nail the performance of a new double-0 agent who knows his life expectancy is a short one. He is dangerous and a brute. Then in the second half we find a Bond in love and Daniel manages that with aplomb.
    • Daniel is vengeful in QOS showing determination and a focus on getting revenge for the killing of his beloved Vesper. Daniel is a man of few words but his body and actions show what he is feeling.
    • Daniel is resurrected in SF Daniel plays a Bond who is missing a step and some skill. He gains back the trust of M but also loses the one woman that was a constant in his double-o world. Showing some tenderness again Daniel really shines in this film as Bond.
    • Daniel is cuckoo in SP re-watching his performance there is a lot to like here. We are reminded of the danger with a fight aboard a train with a hulking figure. Bond falls in love with a woman and we believe it, or do we?
    • Daniel is dead in NTTD the arc which began in 2006 comes to an end in NTTD. He plays Bond as an assertive agent. Going so far to speak up to his boss about the weapon that has mass world impact. This Bond doesn't care so much anymore after flushing out his girlfriend. By the end we shed a tear as Daniel's Bond grimly accepts his fate and is vaporized.

    So my dear academy members, in which film did Daniel deliver his best Bond performance? Please share your thoughts on your selection and lets see which one the academy feels is worthy of a Bondie!
  • Last_Rat_StandingLast_Rat_Standing Long Neck Ice Cold Beer Never Broke My Heart
    Posts: 4,588
    They're all great. I'll have to give the nod to CR. Best incarnation of the character since Connery in DN. I don't think I've ever left the cinema with any film with the high that CR and Craig's performance gave.
  • Jordo007Jordo007 Merseyside
    Posts: 2,641
    Casino for me.
    I enjoy all of his performances as Bond, for different reasons, but Casino felt fresh and yet classic Bond at the same time. He nailed all the aspects of being Bond in that film
  • 007HallY007HallY
    edited February 21 Posts: 4,139
    For me Craig's best performance is in SF. I genuinely think his acting when he first meets Silva is some of the best Bond acting of the series (you can tell exactly what he's thinking just with a little expression or where he looks). He conveys so much in that film while doing so little, and when he needs to be cool or charming he's on top Bondian form.

    That said his other performances are damn close contenders. In my opinion he was the most consistently good Bond actor we've ever had.
  • UnivexUnivex
    Posts: 6,709
    Hands down Vesper’s death scene, and the post staircase fight, mirror gazing, blood cleaning scene. Yes, CR, all the way.
  • Reflsin2bourbonsReflsin2bourbons
    Posts: 259
    I hate the film, but watching Quantum of Solace is Craig as his best incarnation as Bond, brutish as in the first film, but also a little bit vulnerable, quippy and professional. It feels like at the end he is at his peak and certainly one of the better performances
  • VenutiusVenutius Yorkshire
    edited February 22 Posts: 3,152
    Hard to separate CR and QOS, as he's flawless in both. There's nothing I'd change about Dan's performance in either. Maybe he has slightly more swagger in QOS. But then, the sensitivity he shows in the shower scene in CR...and then the...oh, and the...and then...but what about... Nah, can't do it. Dead heat: CR/QOS.
  • zebrafishzebrafish <°)))< in Octopussy's garden in the shade
    Posts: 4,341
    It has to be Casino. He is resourceful (car keys), unrelenting (every action scene), tender (shower), in love and new on the job. Perfect Bond, perfect movie.
  • Creasy47Creasy47 In Cuba with Natalya.Moderator
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    QoS for me, no question. He's hard-edged and constantly on the move but still finds time to be contemplative and introspective too. He's also at his deadliest here, probably one of my favorite takes on Bond when it comes to showing off his skills, fighting abilities, and more.

    Gah, I love that movie so very much.
  • thedovethedove hiding in the Greek underworld
    Posts: 5,426
    Interesting to see votes coming in for QOS. I think the appreciation of that movie has grown. I recall the disappointment when it was released, I guess because CR was still fresh in everyone's mind.
  • CommanderRossCommanderRoss The bottom of a pitch lake in Eastern Trinidad, place called La Brea
    Posts: 8,253
    Something is wrong with my interaction with these boards. the title say I can vote for Craig's best performance (QoS) on page 123, but my page-count doesn't go further than 122?
  • thedovethedove hiding in the Greek underworld
    Posts: 5,426
    CommanderRoss wrote: »
    Something is wrong with my interaction with these boards. the title say I can vote for Craig's best performance (QoS) on page 123, but my page-count doesn't go further than 122?

    That was my error my friend! Thanks for your post I have now fixed it to state the correct page of 122.
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