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  • MooseWithFleasMooseWithFleas Philadelphia
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    QoS for worst. The random spinning and flashing of colors just doesn't do it for me. Apart from the first 20 seconds, I tend to lose interest
  • ProfJoeButcherProfJoeButcher Bless your heart
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    thedove wrote: »
    I included QOS as someone on the watch-along on James Bond and Friends said you could interchange any of the sequences and it wouldn't make a difference to the sequence. That caused me to think it deserved at least a nom.

    Surely this is true of FRWL, GF, TB, YOLT, and many, many others?
  • goldenswissroyalegoldenswissroyale Switzerland
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    I was very disappointed with the QoS titles when I first saw it. But I warmed a bit to it.
    LTK for the Klebbie!
  • SaintMarkSaintMark
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    I would have to rewatch them all and won't do that so no voting for me this time.
  • GoldenGunGoldenGun Per ora e per il momento che verrà
    edited May 2020 Posts: 7,207
    Right, so again I think there are three pretty good ones nominated: LTK, AVTAK and QOS.

    Only SP is rather weak, which surprises me because Kleinman usually delivers brilliant work.
  • mtmmtm United Kingdom
    edited May 2020 Posts: 16,605
    echo wrote: »
    QoS is the worst of these. Just muddy.

    LTK is a close runner-up, in that it is so random. Is it a camera to take a picture of the license to kill?

    Yeah it’s so frustrating. This is a film where his best friend nearly dies after his wedding, with a big evil drug dealer who rules a country and ships drugs in petroleum tankers and huge bundles of cash in submarines with manta rays and lizards and sharks and speedboats... and Binder couldn’t find anything to use in all that?! It’s called Licence To Kill: at the very least there’s some licence, official document etc. iconography to be exploited there surely?! Not bloody cameras and casinos!!

    Folks are saying Spectre is bad, but st least it’s about that film: there’s a huge black many tentacled monster spread throughout it, Bond’s growing attachment to a mysterious woman, glimpses of his past being tied up in it, a shadowy network of many eyes watching him... Kleinmsn has actually thought about it and how it relates to the film, and that’s why LTK’s is a complete washout when you compare it if you ask me.
  • Herr_StockmannHerr_Stockmann
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    Despite being one of my top favorite movies of the series, the LTK title sequence is uninspired and boring. Spectre is... Strange? I still don't know how to characterize it, but the fact remains that there were ideas, an intention. There is none of this for LTK. My vote goes to this one.
  • Mathis1Mathis1
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    Well i love ALL of Maurice Binders work, and I include LTK in that!
    I'm going to go with SP, as Kleinman, though a good successor to Binder, has overstuffed his latest work on SF and SP after doing sterling work on CR!
    QOS titles get a bad press, they are excellent!
  • UnivexUnivex
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    I'm gonna vote here, and say LTK. Really uninspired for a genius as Binder. But hey, what do I know? Most fans adore CR's titles, and I'm not a huge fan of them. I can think of two films or series that did it better using that style, MadMen and Catch me if you Can. Still, it's ok, with the guns firing cards motifs and all. I don't know, although I usually have a strong opinion about aesthetics, I'm at a loss here. There's just too many choices...
  • mtmmtm United Kingdom
    edited May 2020 Posts: 16,605
    It's funny that Kleinman took Binder's camera shutter idea for the Gladys Knight LTK music video and made a better version of it. There's much less original footage in that video but you can tell he actually had some ideas.

  • UnivexUnivex
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    That's true. And when I remember LTK, I tend to remember that video clip first, and not the actual titles.
  • ProfJoeButcherProfJoeButcher Bless your heart
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    LTK is a favorite of mine, only because of the first bits, up to the film's title. Timmy looks great standing in the smoke firing.

    I think the camera stuff is a little odd, but coming off the wedding scene, it's not crazy. It makes sense to me to have the titles connect with what came before and not necessarily the whole film. So the loads of skiers in the AVTAK titles are okay too.
  • Max_The_ParrotMax_The_Parrot ATAC to St Cyril’s
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    The vote from the DRP goes to LTK .... Phuyuck!
  • mtmmtm United Kingdom
    edited May 2020 Posts: 16,605
    ProfJoeButcher wrote: »
    LTK is a favorite of mine, only because of the first bits, up to the film's title. Timmy looks great standing in the smoke firing.

    I always thought he looked like his TLD self in that. Do you think it was an offcut from the previous one? He certainly features more in the TLD titles than the LTK ones.
    ProfJoeButcher wrote: »
    I think the camera stuff is a little odd, but coming off the wedding scene, it's not crazy.

    Are there any photographers in that bit? I just had a look and couldn't spot any. It must be the first and only time one of the brand sponsors has got their logo front and centre in the credits though, before the title of the film, even!
    :)

    I agree about the skiers in AVTAK. I think the ski-dancing/acrobatics look rather great, in fact.


    Look at this bit.
    "Yeah just plonk 'em on the table, Brian. Yeah, next to the seven, looks a bit like 007, doesn't it? That'll do"
    LTKtitlesrubbish.jpg

    :D
  • 2Wint2Kidd2Wint2Kidd
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    I'm not a huge fan of Binder's titles, and I think the two you've chosen are some of his better ones, particularly AVTAK. I do like QOS and SP as they are both unique to their films at least. My vote will go to LTK. I think TLD and DAF are amongst the weakest title sequences for me.
  • Tokoloshe2Tokoloshe2 Northern Ireland
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    LTK is weak for all the reasons explained above, but I have to say the musical segue from The Wedding March straight into the opening bars of the song is beautiful. It works so well!
  • ProfJoeButcherProfJoeButcher Bless your heart
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    Tokoloshe2 wrote: »
    LTK is weak for all the reasons explained above, but I have to say the musical segue from The Wedding March straight into the opening bars of the song is beautiful. It works so well!

    And how the camera lens frames the gag of the bride's maids carrying in the parachutes. Love it!
  • mtmmtm United Kingdom
    edited May 2020 Posts: 16,605
    2Wint2Kidd wrote: »
    I'm not a huge fan of Binder's titles, and I think the two you've chosen are some of his better ones, particularly AVTAK. I do like QOS and SP as they are both unique to their films at least. My vote will go to LTK. I think TLD and DAF are amongst the weakest title sequences for me.

    Yeah they're pretty bad too. I like the lady who seems to be shooting her own reflection in the paddling pool (?) in TLD :)
    Or is she shooting fish?

    Binder was really quite hit and miss.
    Tokoloshe2 wrote: »
    LTK is weak for all the reasons explained above, but I have to say the musical segue from The Wedding March straight into the opening bars of the song is beautiful. It works so well!

    Yes that is nice. Those opening bars of the song hit well.
  • Last_Rat_StandingLast_Rat_Standing Long Neck Ice Cold Beer Never Broke My Heart
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    Now that I really think about it, Binders work in the 80s was actually pretty bad.
  • thedovethedove hiding in the Greek underworld
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    After a furious round of voting we have ended things in tie! I suggest we need a run-off with just the two candidates that are tied!

    SP 7 votes
    LTK 7 votes
    AVTAK 2 votes
    QOS 2 votes

    So dear academy, if you had to choose which one is worst title sequence. SP or LTK?
  • Agent_OneAgent_One Ireland
    Posts: 280
    Still LTK for me.
  • mtmmtm United Kingdom
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    Doubling down for LTK here too.
  • NickTwentyTwoNickTwentyTwo Vancouver, BC, Canada
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    LTK.
  • GeneralGogolGeneralGogol
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    LTK is worse
  • DwayneDwayne New York City
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    SP.
  • GatecrasherGatecrasher Classified
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    For as much as I love LTK - title song and all - I have to say that the title sequence really does nothing for me: drab, uninspired, and the iconography has nothing to do with the actual film. Binder was really slumming it here and could’ve gone out on a higher note.

    Someone else mentioned the manta rays, Sanchez’ lizard, submarines, Latin elements, etc. There were so many elements that could’ve been used but, no, Polaroid film cameras and casinos...for reasons. Urrrgh.
  • GatecrasherGatecrasher Classified
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    Last_Rat_Standing wrote: »
    Now that I really think about it, Binders work in the 80s was actually pretty bad.

    I’d say his best of the 80s era was AVTAK. I hardly ever remember the title sequence for FYEO, OP was atrocious, and TLD was just...ok.
  • GoldenGunGoldenGun Per ora e per il momento che verrà
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    SP definitely worse imo.

    LTK I actually like.
  • mtmmtm United Kingdom
    edited May 2020 Posts: 16,605
    Gatecrasher wrote: »
    Someone else mentioned the manta rays, Sanchez’ lizard, submarines, Latin elements, etc. There were so many elements that could’ve been used but, no, Polaroid film cameras and casinos...for reasons. Urrrgh.

    Latin theme, yeah that's a really good point. There's plenty you could use there.
    I tend to think cash would have been a good theme. The whole plot sort of hinges on Bond stealing that bundle of money; putting money into banks; accountants; Sanchez's millions going into payoffs etc. Banknotes and money seem more appropriate to this one than most Bond films.
    Gatecrasher wrote: »
    I’d say his best of the 80s era was AVTAK. I hardly ever remember the title sequence for FYEO, OP was atrocious, and TLD was just...ok.

    I know what you mean about FYEO, I can't think of anything from it either. Apart from that unintentionally hilarious bit where the the abstract, out-of-focus background to one shot turns out to have been a really tight closeup on Sheena Easton's hair!
    :D
  • Mathis1Mathis1
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    GoldenGun wrote: »
    SP definitely worse imo.

    LTK I actually like.

    Ditto!
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