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  • CraigMooreOHMSSCraigMooreOHMSS Dublin, Ireland
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    There are quite a number of them that would resonate for me a bit better if they hadn't shoehorned a romantic aspect in out of obligation. Brosnan and Yeoh is one of them. I do see a bit of chemistry between them but it feels far more like a professional rivalry than romantic. Same goes for a lot of Roger's. I would have enjoyed them switching it up a bit more.
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    Teri Hatcher and Brosnan.

    I never liked her and their relationship looked fake.
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    Apparently Brossa had to get an icepack on his face because Hatcher was putting so much effort into that slap!
  • DwayneDwayne New York City
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    First, as several others have noted, the paring of Diana Rigg and George Lazenby doesn't belong on this list. In fact, their chemistry (IMO) is among the many things that make OHMSS my favorite Bond film.

    Now, are we talking about how two characters relate to one another, or a pairing based primarily on romantic chemistry? There is a difference. For example, Carole Bouquet and Roger Moore respond realistically with each other (until the final). Tanya Roberts and Roger Moore, were kind of the same for me, except here the age difference seemed really large (and more cringeworthy).

    That leaves two choices: Seydoux/Craig (SP only) and Hatcher/Brosnan.
    .... and my random number generator says .....

    Terri Hatcher and Pierce Brosnan

    I don't buy them as past lovers. Not even for a second.
  • RichardTheBruceRichardTheBruce I'm motivated by my Duty.
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    So not red wine with fish.

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    I certainly can't be the only one to know it's Moore and Roberts. It's not just the age difference here, although it's glaring. I see all these Moore-Bouquet votes, but I at least can accept her as a strong woman with a tragic backstory and not just an agent, but acceptable as a woman who believably participates in the action. Roberts isn't credible as a geologist, as a strong woman or an even remotely interesting character, just a damsel in distress screaming "James!" every other minute and can't notice a blimp above her.
  • Vinther1991Vinther1991 Denmark
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    Diana Rigg and George Lazenby belong in the best screen couple category imo.
    I think the worst screen couple is Brosnan and Michelle Yeoh, there is just zero chemistry between them, even though they are both fine separately. I even think Hatcher and Brosnan have more chemistry.
    Of the nominees, the worst is probably Léa Seydoux and Daniel Craig in Spectre, but it is close with Roberts and Moore.
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    I’d probably have to go with either Craig/Seydoux in SP or Moore/Roberts in AVTAK. Honestly this is a bit of a tough question for me.
  • thedovethedove hiding in the Greek underworld
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    The flapping of wings means it is time for me to head to the stage and share the winner of the Klebbie. One nominee received no votes. Guess I am on my own island with Diana and George. LOL!

    The winner of the worst screen combo is Carole Bouquet and Roger Moore in FYEO! They received 4 votes.

    Here is the vote breakdown for the nominees, Terri and Pierce and Michelle and Pierce receiving 4 votes each. Daniel and Lea, Mie and Sean, Tanya and Roger all received 2 votes each.

    Time to switch it up and head to something that is often overlooked. The art of models, not the actresses in the series, but the use of models in series has been impressive and well done. Sometimes causing the viewer to think some of these places actually existed.

    The nominees for best model work in the series are:
    • The Spy Who Loved Me both Atlantis and the Liparus where models and yet both look like real structures on the screen. Atlantis is particularly effective in its use in the film.
    • Moonraker the space station is bought hook line and sinker and really is a highlight of the model work in this film. The hoops they had to jump through with the visuals is quite impressive right down to using a shotgun to simulate the explosions when it is destroyed at the end of the movie.
    • Goldeneye the building at the start of the movie, to the Russia satellite base the model work here is key to keeping the costs down on the movie without sacrificing the action on the screen.
    • A View to A Kill as a teen I wondered how did they shoot the blimp by the Golden State Bridge? Finding out that it was all done with models made me appreciate the effort in making it all believable. While not as complex they were having to make a real life structure come to life in miniature and it's impressive.
    • The Living Daylights Producers "we need a bridge to be blown up in spectacular fashion." EDIT John Richardson credit to @mtm Derek Meddings "Is that all?" this sequence in the climax is a prime example of models being used seamlessly within the film. Pretty incredible that the scale matches as does the epic scale of the explosions.

    Time for the academy to choose. What film takes home the Bondie for best model work in the series. Feel free to write in your favourite if I have missed it.
  • ProfJoeButcherProfJoeButcher Bless your heart
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    I have to write in Scaramanga's base, the room with the coolant. Looks perfect.
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    Goldeneye for me. It was one helluva film for Derek Meddings to go out on. One can only think of what future contributions he could’ve made to the series had he not passed.
  • mtmmtm United Kingdom
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    I might go for Living Daylights as that bridge is amazing and barely perceptible as a model. I would point out that's not Meddings' work though: that's John Richardson.

    I would give an honourable write-in for the foreground miniatures in the openings of FYEO and OP though: they really are invisible.

    To be honest I'm kind of not always bowled over by Meddings' stuff - it's not often when it's not really obvious that it's a model. The Liparus is great though.
  • CommanderRossCommanderRoss The bottom of a pitch lake in Eastern Trinidad, place called La Brea
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    I'll go for the bridge, but some good contestants here

    Btw, if three 'couples' had 4 points, shouldn't there be a shoot-out?
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    I'd go with 'The Living Daylights' too! Amazing work on that bridge set piece!
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    The model work on Moonraker really impressed me when watching it in 4K on a big cinema screen back in 2022. It really holds up. So for me, its Moonraker.
  • goldenswissroyalegoldenswissroyale Switzerland
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    The bridge is perfect, the Liparus blowing up is also outstanding work and I love tve model work in GE, too. It is maybe visible there sometimes but still fascinating how they could do so much as a model, mainly the russian landscape covered in snow. So much more fascinating than CGI.
    I think that I vote for MR: I don't enjoy the last 30 minutes in space but the effects are splendid.
  • mtmmtm United Kingdom
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    The best shots I remember in GE were that one of the MIGs taking off: that's great. Maybe some of the Aricebo antenna exploding? But I remember finding a lot of it almost embarrassing in the cinema and the shot of the MIG crashing I think is awful, sorry.
    When there was stuff like the train crash in The Fugitive looking practically flawless around the same time, I don't think a lot of this was really up to scratch.
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    I disagree about Goldeneye. I think a lot of those miniatures still hold up incredibly well, especially the reveal of the Antenna Satellite. The train crash in Goldeneye is still pretty visually impressive imo (Sierra's score, the build up and the sound effects during that sequence also really help sell that moment.) I think the most "egregious" example of bad miniatures that I can think of would be the hovercraft going over the waterfall during the PTS of Die Another Day.
  • mtmmtm United Kingdom
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    Do you mean the satellite popping open in space? Yeah that’s decent enough. The train crash is fine, but even there the little trundle-y tank looks very Thunderbirds to me. You’ve got the bathtub Aricebo Cuba dish with the huge water, the steaming rising support columns for the cradle… I dunno, I tend to think of you can tell it’s a model then it’s not doing its job. The forced perspective model of Severnaya behind Boris having a cig is a nice shot.
  • BennyBenny Shaken not stirredAdministrator, Moderator
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    There is some very good model work in GE, but there's also some iffy model work in GE.
    I'm always reminded of the weird way the water jumps into the air when it drains in the Cuban dish.
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    The Liparus model in TSWLM is near faultless in my mind. A stunning achievement.

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    One that could've been overlooked is the exploding hangar in OP. Not only the wonderful foreground miniature used moments before, but also the explosion that follows.
    John Richardson, showing off his amazing talents once again.

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    And of course, the bridge from TLD. I think what's so impressive about this one is that it really is hard to tell this is a model. Seamlessly integrated with live action shots.
    In the world of James Bond, I don't think it's been bettered.

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    The Living Daylights gets my vote.


  • edited May 12 Posts: 2,266
    mtm wrote: »
    Do you mean the satellite popping open in space? Yeah that’s decent enough. The train crash is fine, but even there the little trundle-y tank looks very Thunderbirds to me. You’ve got the bathtub Aricebo Cuba dish with the huge water, the steaming rising support columns for the cradle… I dunno, I tend to think of you can tell it’s a model then it’s not doing its job. The forced perspective model of Severnaya behind Boris having a cig is a nice shot.

    I was referring to the Cuba dish rising from the water, I always loved that sequence for numerous reasons (perhaps unrelated to the actual model itself - like Sierra’s score and Brosnan’s acting during that scene.) That’s just me however but I definitely see where you’re coming from with some of those examples. Plus the entire Janus control base (the control center itself and the antenna where Bond and 006 battle it out) is personally my favorite Bond villain lair so I’m a bit biased.

    Benny wrote: »
    There is some very good model work in GE, but there's also some iffy model work in GE.
    I'm always reminded of the weird way the water jumps into the air when it drains in the Cuban dish.
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    The Liparus model in TSWLM is near faultless in my mind. A stunning achievement.

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    One that could've been overlooked is the exploding hangar in OP. Not only the wonderful foreground miniature used moments before, but also the explosion that follows.
    John Richardson, showing off his amazing talents once again.

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    And of course, the bridge from TLD. I think what's so impressive about this one is that it really is hard to tell this is a model. Seamlessly integrated with live action shots.
    In the world of James Bond, I don't think it's been bettered.

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    The Living Daylights gets my vote.


    Oh yes I completely forgot about how seem-less that transition was during TLD. I can actually remember the first time I noticed that and I spent about 5 minutes rewinding the scene and playing it in slow motion to appreciate the effect. John Richardson really outdid himself with those models!
  • CraigMooreOHMSSCraigMooreOHMSS Dublin, Ireland
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    Benny wrote: »
    One that could've been overlooked is the exploding hangar in OP. Not only the wonderful foreground miniature used moments before, but also the explosion that follows.
    John Richardson, showing off his amazing talents once again.

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    What lets this one down for me is the lack of detail in the surroundings, considering we had just been through that hanger and seen how densely populated the outside areas were. It might seem like nitpicking as a few more miniature vehicles would probably have solved it, but it has always bugged me as the explosion itself is great.
  • mtmmtm United Kingdom
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    OT, but you remind me that it does amuse me in that scene set in Cuba, that as a disguised Bond walks to the hangar you can see a load of Home Counties semi detached houses in the background :)
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    The Living Daylights. Hands down.
  • QBranchQBranch Always have an escape plan. Mine is watching James Bond films.
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    Moonraker for sure. The whole film is littered with miniatures. Special mention to the shuttles lifting off predating the first real shuttle launch. Salt pouring from the models to simulate the exhaust. The 747 model lit up, circus tent, Drax' factory in California, space station, cable cars, even the astronauts battling each other.

    Runner up for me would be either TSWLM or TLD's bridge, as that's very impressive - particularly the surrounding canyon but also how it all seamed together. They used something creative to get the reflections on the streams of water, I forget what it was.
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    I know it is not up for nomination, but the sinking house in Venice for Casino Royale is some really well done scale model work blended into the actual photography. Also, the scale model work for Skyfall lodge and the helicopter going into it.
  • mtmmtm United Kingdom
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    Mallory wrote: »
    I know it is not up for nomination, but the sinking house in Venice for Casino Royale is some really well done scale model work blended into the actual photography. Also, the scale model work for Skyfall lodge and the helicopter going into it.

    Yes those are great points. In truth probably more impressive than any of the others on this list to me because I really can't see modelwork when I look at those.

    Something like the oil field-forest transition shot of Bond's car in TWINE is another really excellent example I think.

    It might be quite fun to do worst model shot next :) Maybe the crashing plane on wires at the end of GF, or the 747 in Moonraker?
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    Yep, its really impressive.

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    mtm wrote: »
    It might be quite fun to do worst model shot next :) Maybe the crashing plane on wires at the end of GF, or the 747 in Moonraker?

    Stromberg's boat leaving the Liparus is really really poor.

  • mtmmtm United Kingdom
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    Mallory wrote: »
    mtm wrote: »
    It might be quite fun to do worst model shot next :) Maybe the crashing plane on wires at the end of GF, or the 747 in Moonraker?

    Stromberg's boat leaving the Liparus is really really poor.

    Oh yes! :)) That's a disaster, it looks absolutely tiny.
    Reminds me of the ice dragster going over the edge of the ice cliff, which I think is a tiny model and not CG?
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