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But then equally, as Simon says, the Lotus could have just been a car which turned amphibious: into a boat or something. But making it a submarine is just a bit more isn't it- Bond movies go a bit further. And it was brilliant. So I can't honestly blame them for taking the technology and pushing it a bit further: it's exactly what they did for the Lotus.
What would Moore's quip be with an explosive nipple? He's the only one who could do it.
"I nipped him in the bud."
"He needed to nip out."
Okay they are all probably not in Roger's league! LOL
Just keep the 'quite titilating' line. If anything it would have made it better.
Haha, nice!
Ok, think you've milked this one enough now.
You don't want to look like a tit, even if you did have the breast of intentions.
Lets consign these puns to mammary and get back on topic.
The problem doesn't lie with the idea itself, allthough an invisible car takes it just a bit too far for practical reasons, it's the stupidity in the way that it's been used that makes it as useless as can be. The hiding behind the car, the tracks in the snow, etc. etc. It just makes no sense whatsoever and makes for extremely lazy scriptwriting.
BTW I'd be interested what would really happen if you have your car upside down sliding down a lake and you'd eject the empty (ejector)seat next to you to 'turn the car on it's wheels again'. I think it'd mean an earlier end to Bond than the one we got. Die ANother Day indeed.
I'm not sure what you mean by 'lazy scriptwriting'.
I'm also not sure how it makes no sense whatsoever either: it's silly, but I can understand what's happening on screen.
What are you thinking would happen? Something to do with the gases firing the seat or something? Really it's not dissimilar to the technique of firing a big piston out of a car they actually use to flip cars in films- like the Aston roll in CR for example.
I think it might be the point that once ejected, the seat is not 'part' of the car. When it smacks into the lake, it wouldn't flip the car. It would either shatter, or just bounce back into the car, bounce around a bit and probably take Bonds head off. If it had enough force to hit the lake, rebound, and have enough force to right the car, then that ejector seat is: A. made out of the strongest material known to science, and B. capable of launching a man to Mars if used correctly!
But I feel there is plenty more wrong with the Vanish than dubious physics that is no worse than in plenty of the other Bond films!
No that's not how physics works: it's Newton's Third Law. A bullet is no longer 'part' of a gun when it's fired, and yet there's a recoil.
Like I said, they actually use this technique to flip cars for real.
I'm sure it would be how they flipped the Vanquish in that scene too; it's not on wires or anything like that.
No idea if it would work in real life, but then again it doesn't need to really. As long as it kinda makes sense in the film.
I kind of get what you mean though: we never actually see the seat or it getting fired out, so there is something a little missing there.
They could do some sort of adaptive camouflage of Bond's face, not unlike what they tried to do with the Vanquish in DAD.
Lets stick with the Klebbie side of things and talk about the some of the worst staged action in the films. For the most part Bond films are known for their action sequences, but there are times when the action fall flat or is poorly executed. Here are the nominees for worst action sequence in the Bond film:
So who here gets a kick in the shins? Which is the worst action sequence? Feel free to write in your vote if I haven't nominated your sequence.
The AVTAK scene is bad, yes, but not the worst. That's a good point in that they could have had a few other antiques around...something to use. Like a grandfather clock (get it). I always smile when the grandfather clock smashes in TB.
Out of these though, I'd probably have to pick the DAF fight with Bambi and Thumper.
Someone did a really good write-up on the credibility infused into so many aspects of the QoS plane chase, tidbits and logistics that nobody would realize if they weren't plane enthusiasts. I get people don't like it for other reasons, of course, and while it's probably the "weakest" slice of action in the film for me, I still really enjoy it.
The Moon Buggy chase in DAF, where... nothing happens. Can you remember anything in it? Apart from the wheel which comes off. They just drive around in the desert a bit.
The ski chase in TWINE. Stuff does happen in this one, but it's boring. The music plods along making it even duller, no one is really moving fast enough, it's all shot from half a mile away to make it seem even less exciting and the editing is pretty terrible.
Maybe the microchip factory fight in AVTAK, where Bond and his elderly mate duff up a couple of old geezers in the middle of the night. Bond overpowers his one offscreen, so disinterested was anyone in actually shooting an action scene! It's like he just persuades Big Ron to have a lie down on the conveyor belt.
Of the nominated ones above, I think they're all okay to be honest (the TMWTGG fight is pretty decent, I'd say and the train fight is properly good), with the exception of Bambi & Thumper, where I agree the ending makes no sense at all. The mansion fight is uninspired but not horrendous, and the urn and shotgun things are fun at least.
I think honestly I'd go with Moon Buggy because a vehicle isn't a concept for an action scene on its own.
Surprised nothing from DAD appeared. There's the bizarre sword fight (which to be fair has good choreography) where Bond and Graves seem to temporarily want to kill each other for absolutely no reason/is so outlandish it sticks out. Or the strange fist fight between Zao and Bond at the clinic where we seem to get some random slow mo shots that grinds the pace to a weird halt. Even those aren't awful to be fair...
I guess I'll go for QOS too. That editing...
If you want bad fights Brossa is your man, from the scrap with the old age pensioners in TND, to the face pulling fight with Renard at the end of TWINE!
You beat me to two that came to mind for me - the TWINE ski chase, if you can call it that, and the AVTAK fight. You could slow down some of the OHMSS fights frame by frame and it would be quicker than the punches thrown in that one.
Another one I'd have nominated is the Harlem sequence when Mr. Big orders a couple of his thugs to take that honkey out and waste him. I hope Big had a SPECTRE-like punishment for them. The first thug falls over too easily and the other must've just lost his nerve as bad as the guy in AVTAK by giving up after Bond barely makes contact.
I don't know if some of the official nominees work in the definition of poorly staged or falling flat, more like sloppy or illogical things happening in them.
For the Bond-Hinx fight, the focus is on the action, not the surroundings. No, it doesn't make sense there's nobody there but if you're focused on that then the action isn't doing its job.
The QoS plane battle is pretty bad because it just seems thrown in, like they have Bond in cars, boats and motorcycles, we need a plane in there to round it out. All the AVTAK fights are bad and this is just par for the course. I guess the Bambi and Thumper fight was to symbolize a newer era of independent and tough women, but I'm surprised even an out-of-shape Connery agreed to it. What makes it worse is they toss him around and like cats thrown in the water they just give up?
I too have wondered about just who the guys are who menace Bond in the TMWTGG Beirut fight. They don't work for Scaramanga or any other villains, just maybe one of jealous husbands M mentions? The fight is decent and it took years for the reveal of the camera thing to come to light as I recall it.
I guess of these choices I'll go with the AVTAK scene just because it's such an overall pedestrian film as far as most of the action goes.
I'd say the car chase in Vegas would also warrant being nominated ahead of Bambi/Thumper if we're throwing DAF under the bus for this one. Apart from the alleyway stunt there is ZERO music score, has unimaginative action, middling-to-slow speed, serves no purpose, awful 'comedy' ("Atta boy, Larry" etc), the alleyway stunt screw-up, and phoned-in acting. Half the chase is circling a poorly lit car park, and the crashes all appear to be easily avoidable to even the most dim-witted, short-sighted driver, making the whole thing feel like an even cheaper afterthought than the slovenly concept of the scene already did.
Also, the cop inexplicably wearing sunglasses at night. I realise this isn't really relevant in any way, shape or form to the 'Worst Staged Action' bit, but it annoyed me when I was a kid, and it annoys me now.
Both the Moon Buggy and Vegas chases are dull as dish water and could be cut in their entirety without missing them, whereas I can see how (daft a scene as it is) Bambi/Thumper might at least raise a bit of a smile. It also gives Leiter a better line than Bond got: "Willard Whyte is about to be executed, and guess who's giving breaststroke lessons" may not be tier one, but it beats "If you see a mad professor in a minibus, just smile"!
From the options given though, I'd swing for the QoS flight. Not because I think it is a particularly bad bit of action, but the others do just rank a bit higher for enjoyment for me. TMWTGG has many faults, arguably including this fight scene, but the "Argh - I've lost my charm" "Not from where I'm standing" sign off to the whole thing can help me forgive a whole lot. Prime Moore, perfectly executed :D
I've been fairly vocal about the poor quality of Moore's fights overall. I always found him clunky and awkward to watch, but you could argue there was always some sort of a redeeming factor to them.
Personally I love the aieal battle in QoS, as it indeed is done very well and does make sense. Everything Bond does in this one is actually how you do it, allthough for non-aviation-afficianados it is probably hard to follow, so I can't blame anyone for not liking it. Indeed, if the editing had been a little bit more structured and less fast-paced, people might actually see what's going on.
My vote goes to Bambi and Thumper. I don't understand why Bond is first kicked around and then wins in the pool, only for Leiter and his men to show up. Why wouldn't they just walk in with a couple of police officers and skip the splatter?
Not quite, there's a reason why they use a cilinder (same with a bullit), the recoil follows from the force in the opposite direction (indeed, Newtons' third) beeing directed by the barrel (in the opposite direction, hence the recoil, they push the gun back, or the cilinder, for the part/time when the projectile is still in the cilinder and beeing pushed out). However, with the seat, there's no barrel and the gasses go in every direction. So the directional force is lost, and the chair, for as much as there's one, would probably just end up in the back of the car (considering how far the roof opens).
Or in simpler terms
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I say simpler. Perhaps incoherently mangled, but CommanderRoss has explained better what I was intending to put across.