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The FYEO coral thing isn't a big stretch for Bond. The TWINE scene is evidence of why it's one of my least favorite films of the series. From the absolutely stupid gadget that sets it up, it just doesn't work.
The choices from here get tougher as the OHMSS scene is an all-timer that never fails to bring up emotion. The TB scene proves the film has more depth, excuse the term, than people who just slag it for its underwater excesses. Domino is one of the women he's especially protective of and it's a nice display of Connery's acting.
I select the CR shower scene for how pivotal is to the story. The new 00 gets a sense of the danger he not only puts himself in but her, seeing the really tough side of the life he's chosen. And it clinches his feelings for her.
That's a good observation, yeah. It is a little heartbreaking, because she knows that up until then she has been in love with Bond but he hasn't been in love with her. He's effectively just been using her because he wanted the information her dad promised about Blofeld, and she knew that.
Is this the whole main concept of why Fleming crafted that love story that way? Because Fleming, like Bond, never appreciated the women who had loved him (Muriel Wright for example), Muriel loved him, but Fleming didn't loved her and only made her a hopeless romantic, of course, Fleming realized all of that, when she died in an air raid (and even to her death, she still cared for Fleming as she had bought him his favorite cigarettes at the time that she's killed), just like how Tracy died in the wedding scene, and the film represented it better and really well.
I don't know if it came from Fleming himself, but "you would never realize the importance of a person until they're gone".
And that makes me love this film more, because it shows and represents Fleming's own inner demons being poured into the story.
The Bondie for best tender moment in a Bond film goes to Bond comforts Vesper in the shower from CR. Accepting the award is a water logged Daniel Craig.
Voting shows us the following OHMSS Bond and the traffic cop received 7 votes, Bond gives bad news to Domino TB receiving one vote!
Lets give some kick of shins to a worthy candidate. Or is it an un-worthy candidate?
Sir Roger is known as a gentleman and yet his Bond has it's share of ungentlemanly moments within the series. So which scene or sequence listed here is his least gentlemanly point within the series!
There you have it, which moment needs a kick in the shins? Feel free to write in your vote if it isn't list here.
I think it's a lot more worse than the Felicca/Sandor situation, because I think the move was done in Felicca's part, she saw Sandor first and it's maybe her intention to shield herself, but Bond didn't intentionally done it, and Sandor may just happened to shot Felicca, at least from my own observation from watching the film, sure, he had thrown Felicca's body on the couch because he's in the urgent time to chase Sandor before he could get any far, reasonable, I don't see anything wrong with it, I've even felt that Felicca also seduced Bond when she had first showed up.
I'm surprised threatening to break Miss Anders' arm isn't here but then again, that most likely would have run away with it (TMWTGG certainly is his least gentlemanly film).
I think the Solitaire moment in LALD is probably the worst here as it was planned out in advance by Bond and is a really cruel ploy to take advantage of her beliefs and then her body, whereas all of the other nominees are spur of the moment.
Bond throwing the boy overboard into dirty water is bad for not paying him, but the boy was swimming in the water before, and keeping him in the boat could put him in harm's way.
Stacking the deck is incredibly poor form and probably would get Bond arrested in a modern-day setting. Don't even see what he gains from it other than pleasure.
The lack of clarity in TSWLM eliminates it from discussion I think.
TMWTGG probably runs LALD the closest. Not only is shoving Goodnight into the dresser classless, but also there's the feeling that Andrea doesn't even want to sleep with him and she just does it to win him over.
OP is childish but whatever, it's a poor taste joke.
I think LALD takes it.
But yeah, Solitaire is probably akin to coerced rape these days, so gets the vote easily for me.
Anyway, for me it’s the Solitare moment in LALD. Very weird scene.
The TSWLM human shield one is pretty bad too, although I can still never figure out if she was screaming out of fright for her own life or for Bond or what. The OP zoom thing is just Bond being goofy and immature. It's Bond's reaction after the Anders tryst that really makes that one bad. The kid in the boat thing I see as maybe him just keeping the kid out of harm's way, since how would he have any money wearing a karate gi?
Not directly ungentlemanly but still pretty bad was the aftermath of his using Corinne Dufour in MR to get to Drax's safe, costing her life and making Drax an even worse villain. In the film it's never clarified if Bond found out about her death, not sure if Wood's novel referred to it.
I'm going to burst the bubble and say that it's not in the book, if anything, it's Solitaire who seduced Bond in the book (in the train scene), actually Bond and Solitaire never had any romantic interactions or let alone flirting for the good chunk of the book (he'd even used his broken finger as a reason not to make love), and that train scene that I'm referring to almost happened in the book's middle act, well, it's always the girls who were seducing Bond in the books, and not the other way around like what usually happened in the films, Bond in the books acted like a naive, innocent guy who was always prone to seduction.
TMWTGG is Bond at his least gentlemanly. And possibly FYEO is the most.
Octopussy for me is his most gentlemanly.
Time to give a kick in the shins to the most ungentlemanly moment in a Roger Moore Bond film. The winner is Bond stacks the deck against Solitaire this received 5 votes. Goodnight in the wardrobe received 2 votes and we had a write in vote for Bond's "women drivers" comment in Spy.
Lets stay on the Klebbie side of things. Lets call this right idea, wrong execution. These may have pushed the envelope, played with a trope or simply been a creative idea that didn't quite come off on screen as it was intended. In some cases the thread of the idea is never really explored or its conclusion is not handled very well.
Here are the nominees for right idea, wrong execution.
There you have it, the nominees for worst execution of a good idea. Feel free to write in your nominees as there are likely more that I hadn't mentioned. Which of these is getting a kick in the shins. Bonus points if you can share how you might have improved the execution we got on screen.
😂, and this one was quite the doozy!
Another good idea which occurs to me as it came up in conversation recently, is that they nodded towards the Fleming short story in Octopussy by having Octopussy's dad be Smythe, but they removed the element that he'd killed Oberhauser, therefore removing the personal involvement for Bond. I get that would have complicated the story they were telling, but it does seem a bit odd to have an emotional connection for your main character in the story and to actually remove that.
I'm ok with the crocked/recovery aspect of SF. Tbf, much of the reason that Bond's underpar in the first half of SF isn't due to age, it's because he's got depleted uranium bullet frags leaking toxins into him. The reason he gets back on form is because the frags have been removed and he gradually gets better as the mighty crushing fist of his raging testosterone levels overpowers the damage done by the depleted uranium. Summat like that, anyway. I know age plays into the wider themes, so that is part of it, but surely the frags were the main culprit? Bond doesn't get back to form because he's regained any youth during the course of the film, after all. So yeah, I'm ok with that one.
So I'll go with Turning Bond Japanese in YOLT. That can be an uncomfortable watch these days!
I'd've had no hesitation in going with mtm's suggestion of the treatment of Scaramanga if it'd been one of the options. So much potential in Bond -v-the most-feared assassin in the world (so much so, that Robert Ludlam lifted Fleming's premise wholesale for the novel version of The Bourne Identity!), but much of it's unfortunately unrealised in the finished film.
1. Female antagonist is great idea, but I think she is also executed quite well for the most part. There is a bit left wanting sure, but I still enjoy Marceau's performance, and her character.
2. Bond rattling on about trusting each other is out of place, especially since he's worked with Felix Leiter and the CIA quite often, and Holly is just another from that outfit. I do get her being antagonistic to him though: his "a woman" puts her on the defensive (now why Bond would underestimate women after the whole Anya debacle, I have no idea).
3. Bond turning Japanese is poorly executed, and doesn't even stand up to the end of the film, but all of the complaints can be levelled at the idea in the novel as well. How do you make a 6 foot+ Scotsman look Japanese? It's just in the novel Fleming balances mixing real and fake. This disbelief is easily suspended when Fleming has you in his clutches and moves you through the story.
4. An old agent is a good idea, but in the context of what we came off of in QOS I don't know if that's the idea the series needed. The film does alright with this, but yeah I can see it just losing relevance near the end.
5. I believe Bond killing himself like he was going to in Moonraker would be superb, but as done in the film, there are little stakes and too many questions. There's also a cheapness in having the series continue after the death to be honest, although I'm glad the films didn't end on such a low.
So final vote is Bond killed in NTTD
As for the other choices here:
1. The Female Antagonist in TWINE, is not for me, a wasted opportunity, for me, it's well paid off due to Sophie Marceau's performance, if anything, the wasted opportunity there lies on the plot itself regarding Elektra's oil and especially, Renard, I liked the concept behind Renard (A man who felt no pain, had a romantic relationship with the villainess, anarchist) but I think it's not fleshed out, it didn't land as how it should have been, I don't know, it's a bit lacking, I find Renard an interesting concept, but a failed execution.
2. Regarding Holly Goodhead in MR, I think it's a bit reasonable, as she's competitive and independent, she works on her own and doesn't give in to Bond's charms (not at least until the end), she maybe CIA, but she's a dedicated woman to her job, not all CIA agents were the same, after all, Bond never trusted Jinx either, and even suspecting her of working for Gustav Graves in Die Another Day (what kind of reasoning was that?) I mean, just look at the scene after he had saved her from the lasers and Mr. Kil, it's almost a nonsense suspicion from Bond when he and Jinx have worked together for the long durations of the film. Felix Leiter and Bond knew each other for a very long time, so it's natural that they're close, but with Holly, she doesn't know Bond that much for her to trust, regarding Bond's attitude, given that he had saved Anya's bacon by the end and have her fell in love with him, it's not impossible for Bond to level up his ego and acted that way towards Goodhead, he would expect Goodhead to fall in love with him, and he had failed on that aspect, which was surprising to him.
3. Bond in a Japanese disguise is not a wasted opportunity, more like unnecessary aspect, they've managed to stray far away from the book and yet kept that whole scene? It's a scene I could do without, it's just not needed, it's not a wasted opportunity, it's just downright bad for me 😅 and doesn't makes sense, I know it's in the book, but they've changed the film far away from the book, and they've changed so many things before upon adaptations (Goldfinger, for example), and it turned out for the better, but retaining this scene, I still don't get why they've retained that scene when there are so many better scenes from the book that are more deserving of being seen on screen?
4. Bond as an old agent in Skyfall is something that I don't understand, but again, I've made my own explanation to this that him failing the tests were a result of his body not recovering well from the shot, but again, the irrelevance thing is unnecessary, since we don't see Craig's Bond in so many missions after Quantum of Solace to make him a seasoned agent already, it's like there's a large gap that we've missed, unless, we include the video games which was set between 2008 and 2012, we don't need the film to complain about Bond's irrelevance, when he clearly isn't (again, going from a rookie in Casino Royale and Quantum of Solace, to being a seasoned, old agent in Skyfall? Doesn't makes sense, too quick to happen), I think the 'old agent' thing could be done had there been more films between Quantum of Solace and Skyfall, and thus, showing Bond's evolution from being a rookie to an experienced agent.
And that leaves us with the last option and which I may give my vote to Bond got killed in NTTD, it's like an emotional manipulation for the audiences, I have explained here in this forum many times my reasoning for not liking it, I have no problem with Bond dying (especially with Craig's Bond), but it comes off as unearned, and way too much, and I've already known that he would die too in the end, so no surprise too, either (too many signposting, I suppose).
Like what I'm always saying, it's like they've written this film backwards, starting with their idea of Bond's death and wrote the script and plot to support that idea backwards, resulting in lack of cohesiveness and shallow justifying of the said idea, as all the plot points that could lead to his death were all just patched up to make sure it will have the same outcome as they've desired, it didn't felt natural, more like intentional that have been spoonfed to us for acceptance that "he's going to die, and they're doing it", so in return, I don't feel nothing, but emptiness and bloated.
It doesn't helped that we're saddled with many callbacks and lacks of originality, that led to the death scene being comes off as cheap too, how may I feel for Bond's death if it reminds me of an older film because of the callbacks, it's just unacceptable.
Agreed, I’ll go with that as a write in. Such a great idea but the way the film deals with it is a bit of a missed opportunity.