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  • mtmmtm United Kingdom
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    NickTwentyTwo wrote: »
    2Wint2Kidd wrote: »
    Craig from Casino. I legitimately think he should have been Oscar nominated. But he wasn't playing the Joker so who really cares.

    What does the Joker have to do with anything?

    To be fair he does seem to be the only mainstream action character these acting judges think is hard to play. Because acting mad and OTT is so tricky... :D
  • UnivexUnivex
    Posts: 6,710
    mtm wrote: »
    NickTwentyTwo wrote: »
    2Wint2Kidd wrote: »
    Craig from Casino. I legitimately think he should have been Oscar nominated. But he wasn't playing the Joker so who really cares.

    What does the Joker have to do with anything?

    To be fair he does seem to be the only mainstream action character these acting judges think is hard to play. Because acting mad and OTT is so tricky... :D

    Oh, the good old days...

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  • mtmmtm United Kingdom
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    Yeah, I should say that doing the maniacal bad guy isn't necessarily easy: I think Andrew Scott of this parish did a really poor job in Sherlock!
  • 2Wint2Kidd2Wint2Kidd
    edited May 2020 Posts: 698
    NickTwentyTwo wrote: »
    2Wint2Kidd wrote: »
    Craig from Casino. I legitimately think he should have been Oscar nominated. But he wasn't playing the Joker so who really cares.

    What does the Joker have to do with anything?

    I'm taking my frustrations out on Joaquin Phoenix winning when I don't think he did anything special. The Joker seems to be the only character that the academy acknowledges, even if there are better performances out there. I don't want to get into too deep of a discussion on this, and it probably wasn't worth bringing it up. But I still think Craig should have been nominated.
  • UnivexUnivex
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    mtm wrote: »
    Yeah, I should say that doing the maniacal bad guy isn't necessarily easy: I think Andrew Scott of this parish did a really poor job in Sherlock!
    Yeah, for sure, not my Moriarty.
  • thedovethedove hiding in the Greek underworld
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    As The Dove strides to the centre of the stage the audience hushes in silence. (Ahem)

    And the best Bond acting debut is....Sean Connery in DN! Sean couldn't be with us tonight as we don't pay for our recipients to come on stage to accept the award. We shall accept on his behalf.

    The voting results show a surprise for this academy member.

    Sean Connery DN 13 votes
    George Lazenby OHMSS 0 votes
    Roger Moore LALD 1 vote
    Timothy Dalton TLD 4 votes
    Pierce Brosnan GE 0 votes
    Daniel Craig CR 4 votes

    I would not rate the acting of Timothy to be on level with Daniel but that's just me!

    Okay time to swing back to the Klebbie side of things. We will now vote on Worst send-off of a Bond actor from the series. I want the academy to consider the overall picture and decide which production is the worst. We will only have 4 nominees for this award. It is interesting that overall the last film of the actor in the role hasn't been a shining cinematic acheivement. Without further ado here are the nominees:
    • Sean takes on Vegas and an old enemy in Diamonds are Forever
    • Roger makes a quiche and his stunt double does almost everything else in A View to a Kill
    • Timothy gets his revenge in License to Kill
    • Pierce hang glides past ice glaciers in Die Another Day

    I know some members of the academy will scoff at a certain film and actor being on this list but we like a good controversy! Lets look at the overall film and even the performance of the man playing Bond. Which one of these was the worst send off for the actor. I must also remind the academy that we are only considering "official" film entries so NSNA is not included in this list and since George's debut was also his send off I didn't see the point in including that film.
  • ThunderfingerThunderfinger Das Boot Hill
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    This is pretty close, and I like all four, but DAD.
  • peterpeter Toronto
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    Almost everything about DAD makes me cringe-- including this as a send-off for Brosnan. DAD gets my vote.
  • Herr_StockmannHerr_Stockmann
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    Pretty close for me between AVTAK and DAD. While I consider Brosnan's performance better than Moore's, AVTAK is ultimately a better movie thanks mostly to its bad guys. So, my vote goes to DAD.
  • mtmmtm United Kingdom
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    It's got to be DAF for me I'm afraid. Connery's a bit more engaged than he was in his previous film but he looks out of shape, and the film around him is just ragged and messy and has almost nothing inspired about it. As a send-off to maybe the best Bond it's a shocker.
  • FatherValentineFatherValentine England
    Posts: 737
    I don't think Brosnan does anything wrong in DAD, even if the film is not loved and has a terrible reputation. They threw the kitchen sink at the film and it's not through laziness that it is bad. I am going for Sean in DAF for his complete lack of effort in preparation.
  • PrinceKamalKhanPrinceKamalKhan Monsoon Palace, Udaipur
    edited May 2020 Posts: 3,262
    Definitely

    Roger makes a quiche and his stunt double does almost everything else in A View to a Kill

    The most tired and least inspired of those 004. (Even more frustrating in retrospect is that if Sir Rog had exited the series with OP he probably would've had the best final Bond film for a lead 007 actor.) None of the others are in my top 0010 but I find all of them more entertaining than AVTAK, even DAD CGI warts and all.
  • Last_Rat_StandingLast_Rat_Standing Long Neck Ice Cold Beer Never Broke My Heart
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    AVTAK easily.
    Should have boated off into the sunset with Octopussy
  • IGotABrudderIGotABrudder UK
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    AVTAK
  • RichardTheBruceRichardTheBruce I'm motivated by my Duty.
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    Connery is great, but DAF.
  • R1s1ngs0nR1s1ngs0n France
    edited May 2020 Posts: 2,161
    Even if I liked DAF ad a child, now I just can’t ignore how bad of a mess it is, despite some good moments and yet another stellar score from Barry. Inexcusable considering the film that came before.
    What’s more, I don’t have a problem with an out of shape Connery but I do have a problem with a bored Connery.
    DAD is an even worse film but it followed an already very bad streak of movies (TND being the exception).
    AVTAK had grandpa Roger running around girls half his age but at least he still looks involved in the part... and it has Walken.
    LTK is only on this list by default. I don’t expect anyone with a right mind to pick it.
    DAF gets my vote.
  • M_BaljeM_Balje Amsterdam, Netherlands
    edited May 2020 Posts: 4,537
    Overall 5 year wait on Bond 25 of course, that and mess after DAD.

    But you not include those, so i vote for DAD. That Ice chase for movie was very disapointed and overall i like and see the other movies more. Stil DAD sometimes turn down for great things there try. Sean Connery have more humor in DAF. AVTAK is my GF as moost know and Timothy Dalton is great in LTK and i like the plot, something that i not realy fan from of DAD. Also it is Brosnan worse performance.
  • UnivexUnivex
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    peter wrote: »
    Almost everything about DAD makes me cringe-- including this as a send-off for Brosnan. DAD gets my vote.
    Yep, DUD for me as well. Although, to be fair, no Bond actor had a good send off film, except for...well...Lazenby, and hopefully Craig. We'll see.
  • Last_Rat_StandingLast_Rat_Standing Long Neck Ice Cold Beer Never Broke My Heart
    Posts: 4,602
    Univex wrote: »
    peter wrote: »
    Almost everything about DAD makes me cringe-- including this as a send-off for Brosnan. DAD gets my vote.
    Yep, DUD for me as well. Although, to be fair, no Bond actor had a good send off film, except for...well...Lazenby, and hopefully Craig. We'll see.

    I think that Connery and Moore only knew that their last films would their last. Dalton and Brosnan were always up in the air.
  • NickTwentyTwoNickTwentyTwo Vancouver, BC, Canada
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    Great category and noms. DAD for me.
  • NickTwentyTwoNickTwentyTwo Vancouver, BC, Canada
    Posts: 7,593
    2Wint2Kidd wrote: »
    NickTwentyTwo wrote: »
    2Wint2Kidd wrote: »
    Craig from Casino. I legitimately think he should have been Oscar nominated. But he wasn't playing the Joker so who really cares.

    What does the Joker have to do with anything?

    I'm taking my frustrations out on Joaquin Phoenix winning when I don't think he did anything special. The Joker seems to be the only character that the academy acknowledges, even if there are better performances out there. I don't want to get into too deep of a discussion on this, and it probably wasn't worth bringing it up. But I still think Craig should have been nominated.

    Ah I see, very reasonable.
  • Fire_and_Ice_ReturnsFire_and_Ice_Returns I am trying to get away from this mountan!
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    Pierce hang glides past ice glaciers in Die Another Day
  • GoldenGunGoldenGun Per ora e per il momento che verrà
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    Connery in Vegas, nothing is less Bondian than the trashy excess of Vegas, filled with foul-mouthed bimbos and lazy writing.

    On a sidenote, I missed the last round, unfortunately, but my vote would have gone to the brilliance that is Timmy D.
  • GeneralGogolGeneralGogol
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    Pierce hang glides past ice glaciers in Die Another Day
  • BeatlesSansEarmuffsBeatlesSansEarmuffs
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    It's down to DAF or DAD for me. Hm. Interesting arrangement of initials. AVTAK is one of my guilty pleasures, and there's no way that LTK even begins to approach the badness that is on display with Sean's & Pierce's last offerings. I could go into detail on the faults of each film... but I'll take the easy way out: In letter grades, an F is worse than a D. DAF takes the Klebbie I'm afraid...
  • FatherValentineFatherValentine England
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    DAF is almost as much of a mess as DAD. To not even notice that you were filming the car on one set of wheels going into the alleyway and on another set on the way out...normally I don't care about continuity errors, but during an action sequence it is really lazy to not notice that. The 'fix' for it doesn't work either.

    DAF is also the worst Fleming book in my opinion.
  • mtmmtm United Kingdom
    edited May 2020 Posts: 16,606
    FatherValentine wrote: »
    DAF is almost as much of a mess as DAD.

    I think it's worse actually: at least DAD has some set pieces and a bit of structure. What's a highlight of DAF?
    I think DAD is pretty entertaining in a sort of trashy way, whereas DAF kind of limps along and gets a bit dull.
  • Mathis1Mathis1
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    DAD of course!
  • goldenswissroyalegoldenswissroyale Switzerland
    Posts: 4,490
    DAD is my Nr. 23 and DAF Nr. 22. Both are sometimes entertaining but are definitely disappointing for Bond standard. DAD but DAF would deserve it too.
  • Fire_and_Ice_ReturnsFire_and_Ice_Returns I am trying to get away from this mountan!
    edited May 2020 Posts: 25,413
    It does not get any worse than Bond fighting Graves wearing his Exosuit.

    'It looks like your friends have bailed'... (grimace)

    'Time to face gravity'... (delayed grimace)

    Horrendous dialogue
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