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  • TripAcesTripAces Universal Exports
    edited May 2020 Posts: 4,585
    Neal Purvis, Robert Wade and Paul Haggis for Casino Royale for the same reasons @HASEROT just stated
  • bigladiesmanbigladiesman
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    thedove wrote: »
    bigladiesman wrote: »
    I'll pass this one. There are 3 of them that are awesome.

    I know! I like that it's a tough choice. I think it causes you to really look at the work differently. I wasn't going to put DAF in this, but the dialogue is so good I thought it deserved a shout out as a nominee.

    Whatever one is chosen, it'll be a worthy winner: FRWL and OHMSS are as close to the source material as they can be, CR turns a novel with only two or three action scenes in an epic adventure while still respecting its spirit, DAF is funny and outrageous and TLD brought Bond to the late eighties in style.
  • thedovethedove hiding in the Greek underworld
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    I thought this would be closer but it seems so far that Casino Royale is coming out on top. We shall keep the voting going. I suppose I could have put GF in for DAF. I just love the snappy dialogue in DAF so that's why I chose it.

    Lets see if any more votes role in! I am enjoying the thread so far guys and gals. Thanks for responding. Also if you want to revisit a previous category I am fine with that too! Just the award has already been given away.
  • Max_The_ParrotMax_The_Parrot ATAC to St Cyril’s
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    And the nomination from the Democratic Republic of Parrots (DRP) goes to CR - a great job of bringing the novel bang up to date, a great introduction to Daniel Craig’s Bond and a superb building site action sequence to get the movie off to an explosive start.
  • GoldenGunGoldenGun Per ora e per il momento che verrà
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    I will go with FRWL, adapting a great novel into a near perfect film with SMERSH turning into SPECTRE and effectively placing the Bond franchise on a fairly neutral route from the start.

    Never been the biggest fan of borrowing from Nolan's Batman films and adding a Bond Begins part to an otherwise excellent CR.
  • mtmmtm United Kingdom
    Posts: 16,422
    GoldenGun wrote: »
    Never been the biggest fan of borrowing from Nolan's Batman films and adding a Bond Begins part to an otherwise excellent CR.

    I'm not sure I buy they did that in six months. In fact Craig was cast in the October after being considered alongside the young Cavill, which would seem to suggest they were looking at a young Bond way before then even.

    And is crossing out SMERSH and writing in SPECTRE all that tricky? FRWL was a tricky shoot as well wasn't it? I thought the script had holes in at that point.
  • hegottheboot_hegottheboot_ USA
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    One could make any argument for simply some of the the flat out brilliant Richard Maibaum flourishes or fixes or betterment of Fleming's plotting.

    Special consideration must be given to FRWL for the inspired switch to having SPECTRE replace SMERSH and making an already great story even better.
    Then the notion by Paul Dehn and Maibaum to fix Fleming's otherwise great plot in GF to the bomb plot.

    But overall I think it's Maibaum on OHMSS which absolutely improves Fleming's book in so many ways that most of them subtly slip by. It's an astonishing screenplay adaptation that manages to tighten and better the great book on every level and heighten the drama to such a degree that the whole narrative power is increased tremendously.

    Maibaum's contribution to the series is horrendously undervalued. He was literally the heart of the series and will never be equalled.
  • GoldenGunGoldenGun Per ora e per il momento che verrà
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    hegottheboot_ wrote: »
    One could make any argument for simply some of the the flat out brilliant Richard Maibaum flourishes or fixes or betterment of Fleming's plotting.

    Special consideration must be given to FRWL for the inspired switch to having SPECTRE replace SMERSH and making an already great story even better.
    Then the notion by Paul Dehn and Maibaum to fix Fleming's otherwise great plot in GF to the bomb plot.

    But overall I think it's Maibaum on OHMSS which absolutely improves Fleming's book in so many ways that most of them subtly slip by. It's an astonishing screenplay adaptation that manages to tighten and better the great book on every level and heighten the drama to such a degree that the whole narrative power is increased tremendously.

    Maibaum's contribution to the series is horrendously undervalued. He was literally the heart of the series and will never be equalled.

    I agree. Can't see how Purvis-Wade collaborations would even be in the same league.
  • mtmmtm United Kingdom
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    hegottheboot_ wrote: »
    One could make any argument for simply some of the the flat out brilliant Richard Maibaum flourishes or fixes or betterment of Fleming's plotting.

    Special consideration must be given to FRWL for the inspired switch to having SPECTRE replace SMERSH and making an already great story even better.

    Didn't they basically have to do that to avoid making the films overly political?
    hegottheboot_ wrote: »
    But overall I think it's Maibaum on OHMSS which absolutely improves Fleming's book in so many ways that most of them subtly slip by. It's an astonishing screenplay adaptation that manages to tighten and better the great book on every level and heighten the drama to such a degree that the whole narrative power is increased tremendously.

    Hmm. But the love story is reduced to 'INSERT MONTAGE HERE' and Tracy needs "a man to dominate her"?
    They're great scripts generally but I'm not sure these are the right things to praise.
  • BeatlesSansEarmuffsBeatlesSansEarmuffs
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    hegottheboot_ wrote: »

    Maibaum's contribution to the series is horrendously undervalued. He was literally the heart of the series and will never be equalled.

    ^ This. ^ My apologies to the Purvis & Wade partisans, but any result in this category other than "Maibaum Wins" would be an appalling injustice.
  • thedovethedove hiding in the Greek underworld
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    Thank you to the members of the academy! Price Waterhouse has tabulated the results and here are the results for Best Adapted Screenplay:

    CR Wade Purvis and Haggis with 7 votes
    FRWL Maibaum and Harwood with 5 votes
    OHMSS Maibaum and Raven with 4 votes
    TLD Wilson and Maibaum with 1 vote

    So the Bondie goes to Wade, Purvis and Haggis for Casino Royale!

    Now on to our next category! Worst Bond Female Lead. The nominees are:
    • Halle Berry as Jinx in Die Another Day
    • Tanya Roberts as Stacy Sutton in A View to A Kill
    • Mie Hama as Kissy Suzuki in You Only Live Twice
    • Britt Ekland as Mary Goodnight in The Man with the Golden Gun
    • Maryam d'Abo as Kara Milvoy in The Living Daylights

    It's time for the esteemed academy of Mi6 to vote on the worst Bond female lead.
  • Agent_OneAgent_One Ireland
    edited May 2020 Posts: 280
    Tanya Roberts as Stacy Sutton, with Jinx and Goodnight close behind.
  • ThighsOfXeniaThighsOfXenia
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    I'm livid that Kara is on here. She gets such an unfair bad rep.

    My vote: Jinx
  • vzokvzok
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    Hey Mother. Jinx
  • GerardGerard
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    Mary Goodnight for me. Not only is she useless, she's downright dangerous.
  • goldenswissroyalegoldenswissroyale Switzerland
    Posts: 4,483
    Mie Hama! She looks like a school girl and the wedding scene is boring and there isn't any chemistry between her and Connery.
    Britt Ekland comes close. She almost killed Bond with her butts...
  • BeatlesSansEarmuffsBeatlesSansEarmuffs
    Posts: 3,566
    thedove wrote: »
    Thank you to the members of the academy! Price Waterhouse has tabulated the results and here are the results for Best Adapted Screenplay:

    CR Wade Purvis and Haggis with 7 votes
    FRWL Maibaum and Harwood with 5 votes
    OHMSS Maibaum and Raven with 4 votes
    TLD Wilson and Maibaum with 1 vote

    So the Bondie goes to Wade, Purvis and Haggis for Casino Royale!

    Might I suggest the following alternate tabulation:

    Wade, Purvis and Haggis: 7 votes
    Maibaum and his various collaborators: 10 votes

    The Bondie should go to Richard Maibaum for his career's worth of stellar work re-defining the Bond franchise.
  • bigladiesmanbigladiesman
    edited May 2020 Posts: 1,009
    Tanya. The only thing she does is mope around lamenting her misfortunes and screaming "JAAAAAAAAMES!” while uselessly faking she feels something other than the weight of her salary being generously paid.

    Goodnight is stupid but at least she tries hard to be useful (alas, she fails at everything). And I don't think Ekland is to blame.
  • GoldenGunGoldenGun Per ora e per il momento che verrà
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    Maryam d'Abo has absolutely no place on this list.

    Britt Ekland, while portraying a bit of a dits, gives no bad performance either.

    I also have a soft spot for Tanya Roberts, despite her screaming.

    Anyway my vote goes to Mie Hama.
  • NickTwentyTwoNickTwentyTwo Vancouver, BC, Canada
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    Mie Hama
  • Last_Rat_StandingLast_Rat_Standing Long Neck Ice Cold Beer Never Broke My Heart
    Posts: 4,589
    Jinx in a landslide.
  • BeatlesSansEarmuffsBeatlesSansEarmuffs
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    And as far as the Worst Female Lead is concerned: Britt Ekland as Mary Goodnight is absolutely the worst. She had the solar agitator unopposed, she should have left with it. Movie over. Whoops, can't have that! So she sticks around and lets Scaramanga kidnap her and grab the solar macguffin. Movie continues. Whew, that was close! Late in the film, she does indeed activate said macguffin with a careless move of her well-formed posterior, effectively nearly killing Bond with her butt. As bad as Kissy and Jinx and Stacy are (and yes, Kara has no valid reason for being in this list) -- Goodnight is far and away the Worst Female Lead of the Bond franchise.
  • mtmmtm United Kingdom
    Posts: 16,422
    I'd usually say Tanya Roberts, but she is actually an actress if not a particularly great one; Mie Hama is a wet fish who just sits there. There's nothing there at all.

    So Mie Hama.
  • mtmmtm United Kingdom
    Posts: 16,422
    BeatlesSansEarmuffs wrote: »
    And as far as the Worst Female Lead is concerned: Britt Ekland as Mary Goodnight is absolutely the worst. She had the solar agitator unopposed, she should have left with it. Movie over. Whoops, can't have that! So she sticks around and lets Scaramanga kidnap her and grab the solar macguffin. Movie continues. Whew, that was close! Late in the film, she does indeed activate said macguffin with a careless move of her well-formed posterior, effectively nearly killing Bond with her butt. As bad as Kissy and Jinx and Stacy are (and yes, Kara has no valid reason for being in this list) -- Goodnight is far and away the Worst Female Lead of the Bond franchise.

    We're voting on the actors, not the characters.
  • PrinceKamalKhanPrinceKamalKhan Monsoon Palace, Udaipur
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    ThighsOfXenia wrote: »
    I'm livid that Kara is on here. She gets such an unfair bad rep.
    GoldenGun wrote: »
    Maryam d'Abo has absolutely no place on this list.
    BeatlesSansEarmuffs wrote: »
    (and yes, Kara has no valid reason for being in this list)

    Agreed. Kara's my favorite. And she and Kissy got nominated but Christmas Jones didn't?

    I know I'm in the minority on this but I've always had an affection for Britt Ekland's Goodnight who I see as the Bond series' answer to Sharon Tate's Freya Carlson and Stella Stevens' Gail Hendrix characters from Dean Martin's Matt Helm series. i.e., the goofy comedic klutz.

    Halle Berry tries but I don't think even Dame Diana Rigg could've saved the poorly written Jinx character.

    However, the endless screaming of "James!!!!" probably annoys me the most so my vote goes to Stacy Sutton.




  • thedovethedove hiding in the Greek underworld
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    I'm trying to emulate the Oscars and have some controversy! LOL! It was tough to consider who was on the list. As a few members have already pointed out we are to consider the performance of the actress. Not the part as it was written. So think of how well the character was acted by the actress.

    Carry on voting.
  • echoecho 007 in New York
    Posts: 6,304
    I love Kara.

    I hate Jinx.
  • NickTwentyTwoNickTwentyTwo Vancouver, BC, Canada
    edited May 2020 Posts: 7,553
    PrinceKamalKhan wrote: »
    ThighsOfXenia wrote: »
    I'm livid that Kara is on here. She gets such an unfair bad rep.
    GoldenGun wrote: »
    Maryam d'Abo has absolutely no place on this list.
    BeatlesSansEarmuffs wrote: »
    (and yes, Kara has no valid reason for being in this list)

    Agreed. Kara's my favorite. And she and Kissy got nominated but Christmas Jones didn't?

    I know I'm in the minority on this but I've always had an affection for Britt Ekland's Goodnight who I see as the Bond series' answer to Sharon Tate's Freya Carlson and Stella Stevens' Gail Hendrix characters from Dean Martin's Matt Helm series. i.e., the goofy comedic klutz.

    Halle Berry tries but I don't think even Dame Diana Rigg could've saved the poorly written Jinx character.

    However, the endless screaming of "James!!!!" probably annoys me the most so my vote goes to Stacy Sutton.




    I read the thread title and started putting the list together in my head, and Christmas Jones was definitely on it, but so was Kara Milovy; not because I think she's bad (I think she's great) but I know she gets a bad rap on the forums.

    I might have said Jinx but I just rewatched DAD for the first time in a long time, and honestly, everything bad about that film wasn't quite as bad as it was in my head (except the song, which was much worse than I could have imagined). Including Jinx.

    Also, for some reason, I thought the "yo mamma" line was to Bond in Cuba, not sure why.

    Anyway, Mie Hama took an interesting character from a great novel and made her totally forgettable.
  • mtmmtm United Kingdom
    edited May 2020 Posts: 16,422
    Yeah: D'Abo is good I think; Ekland is completely charming and does nothing wrong at all I'd say; Berry is maybe a little grating and I can imagine other actors salvaging that part more, but she does give a star performance regardless; Roberts isn't really good at all; but she's still better than Hama, who just isn't there.

    Don't count me twice though, Dove! :)
  • 2Wint2Kidd2Wint2Kidd
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    @thedove are we voting for the performance of the actress or the character by itself?
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