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Next up will be a Klebbie!
Yes I remember him saying he wanted to explain what the gunbarrel actually was to audiences (it's not very clear: is it a gunsight? An iris?) which I thought was a good idea.
Wasn't there also something about him taking inspiration from Dr Strange comics? I don't know them, but the GE titles have those very vivid colours which are quite comic book.
I always like the way he modernised the 'silhouetted girls' look of Binder- with not just straight silhouettes but given a bit of depth by lighting the women very slightly from behind and the sides.
It's interesting that he hasn't really used dancing naked ladies for almost the last twenty years... luckily the 'PC gone mad!'/anti-'woke' patrol haven't noticed yet... ;)
LOL...Yeah, Kleinman's GE has a Comic Book style look to it, and the colours are indeed Vivid with the images almost Palpable....he really did modernize Binder's Creation, took it to Loftier Heights....Binder would have been proud.
The voting shows the following...this was a hotly contested Bondie.
OHMSS received 10 votes
GE received 9 votes
Spy received 11 votes
DAD received 0 votes!
GF received 3 votes
Okay we now turn back to the Klebbie side of things. Thought this one might be worthy of discussion as it comes up time and time again on the board in a variety of ways. The Bond series has a series of tropes that fans either love or hate. Lets turn our attention to some of the worst tropes of the series.
The word trope has come to be used for describing commonly recurring literary and rhetorical devices, motifs or clichés in creative works. The Bond series has quite a few. I would like us to consider the following nominees as worst trope of the series:
Okay sorry for the wordy nominations. I am trying to explain what each trope is and how it has played out in the series! Now it's time for the academy to vote...what is the worst trope of the series?
Agree with this. It gets almost as tiresome as "this time the leading lady actually has some brains and is Bond s equal. Not just a dumb eye-candy bimbo like all the previous ones".
That is another trope worthy of contention.
Isn’t that just a publicity angle rather than in the films though?
Yes. It doesn t belong on the list. I was just comparing, because the personal angle has also been used a lot in publicity campaigns.
I find it hard to judge this one because I don’t find any of them bad. I certainly don’t see the issue with him becoming emotionally involved with his missions: these are supposed to be dramas.
I’ll go with the ‘treatment of women’ thing as it’s the only one that’s lead to anything troublesome recently with the Severine shower business.
If you watch any superhero film at all it'd be tough to say they don't have the same level of 'personal': it's always about family members and loved ones. That's what adventure stories are. Star Wars etc.
Good points, cannot disagree.
I don't want to make things too serious, but regardless of her being a former victim of the sex trade - she is a grown woman and allowed to consent. Even former trafficking victims are allowed to consent to sex. The problem is the way it cuts to him just entering the shower without her acknowledging his presence is just...odd? She cleary consents to him being there, but why don't we see him enter the boat and for there to be some interaction - even just a look between them - beforehand.
Other than that his treatment of women is mostly in service of the job. It's all justified given the high stakes he is playing with. (Of course, there are moments where that's not the case and he treats incidental women quite badly, and these are rare nowadays, I think).
So, given all that, I go for DB5 being omnipresent.
Nevertheless, Bond isn't Zorro. He's an anithero as much as he is a hero and he wasn't written as a nice guy to begin with. He has character flaws and isn't always the most likeable fellow. His actions are reminiscent of that.
Other two tropes I'm not too fond of are the overuse of the DB5 and the lack of a non-personal mission since TLD.
Basically my thoughts on these last two are similar. I love the DB5, it's a gorgeous car (how can it not be, it's designed by Italians), I really liked it popping up in the early Brosnan films as a nod to the Connery films, but now that it has been prominently featured in the last two films, it feels a bit too much. It's nice to see it back after being away for a few films, but you take away its uniqueness when you keep bringing it back for every entry.
Same goes for the personal angle. In OHMSS and LTK that was a breath of fresh air. I also understand its use in GE, and in TND it's only there for half of the film.
CR, no problem, you finally get the rights for the first Fleming novel so I'd say you'd better use it. QOS wraps it up nicely and we're off for a good old mission without personal stakes.
But again the Mendes films really bug me here. There was no need whatsoever to bring another personal struggle to the table yet again. It's a missed opportunity not having a Craig film alla Blood Stone. It makes no sense that he's an 'old dog' in SF, he's only started out two movies ago! This persistent search to keep making him a victim in his own movies has become tiresome.
Considering all these points, I've got to go with too many personal stakes in quick succession.
Very good idea for a new klebbie round!
I'll go with This time the mission is personal. It was utilized properly and sparingly in earlier eras in such a way that it didn't jeopardize the plot, but it has become too Ubiquitous in Craig's era....a Fantastic Bond he is, but it's too much of the personal stakes that has made his era not so 100%, even if he's a Top Bond and will forever be up there with other Top Bonds.
My vote will go to the person in shades and behaving suspiciously is really the ally. It a false tease and it does anger me. The most egregious example is Leiter in TLD where Bond could have easily shot the two ladies or escaped.
I' ll go with the 'DB5 is everywhere".
Oh, I don´t think people have a problem with the idea itself. It´s just the tedius repetition that is bothering us. Starting with LTK, Bond has "gone rogue" or defied orders for personal reasons in some capacity in every film, except GE and TND. It´s getting a bit absurd by this point.