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  • FatherValentineFatherValentine England
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    mtm wrote: »
    mtm wrote: »

    I honestly think if the Goldfinger poster came out today most Bond fans would complain about how bad it is. I think it's brilliant.
    I'm with you on the Spectre one: I don't see the problem with it- it's got James Bond doing the most James Bond pose. The big skull head even reminds me of a Fleming novel cover a bit.

    I think you've put your finger on why I like the Spectre one. It does make me think of a Fleming novel cover.

    And you're right about some of the older posters. I think they're all great, but if they put out a text-heavy poster with drawings of women who are not in the movie at all, I don't think it would go over well with fans! Hell, I don't think the FILM Goldfinger would be loved by fans if it were new...!

    Well don't forget that the Goldfinger one doesn't even have drawings: it's photographic. So you'd get fans saying 'it's just a photo of Sean Connery projected onto a hand. No effort, complete lack of imagination' etc.

    A photo of Connery projected onto a hand is 1000 more imaginative than the last three Daniel Craig posters. Previous Bond posters are works of art that commanded books published about them. They also inspired imitations. Not so any more.
  • mtmmtm United Kingdom
    edited July 2020 Posts: 16,359
    mtm wrote: »
    mtm wrote: »

    I honestly think if the Goldfinger poster came out today most Bond fans would complain about how bad it is. I think it's brilliant.
    I'm with you on the Spectre one: I don't see the problem with it- it's got James Bond doing the most James Bond pose. The big skull head even reminds me of a Fleming novel cover a bit.

    I think you've put your finger on why I like the Spectre one. It does make me think of a Fleming novel cover.

    And you're right about some of the older posters. I think they're all great, but if they put out a text-heavy poster with drawings of women who are not in the movie at all, I don't think it would go over well with fans! Hell, I don't think the FILM Goldfinger would be loved by fans if it were new...!

    Well don't forget that the Goldfinger one doesn't even have drawings: it's photographic. So you'd get fans saying 'it's just a photo of Sean Connery projected onto a hand. No effort, complete lack of imagination' etc.

    A photo of Connery projected onto a hand is 1000 more imaginative than the last three Daniel Craig posters.

    Folks would still be saying there's no effort or imagination gone into it though. That's what a lot of people say when faced with simplicity.
  • FatherValentineFatherValentine England
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    The SF, SP, and NTTD posters are not even as good as 'simplicity'. Honestly, you would have to try very hard to come up with something as ugly as that lot. It looks like they are produced by people without even the slightest clue of basic elements of design.

    The NTTD ones that are blue and grey with Bond on the motorbike etc, are exempt from this criticism.
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    No Time To Die. It looks like the poster of a generic Hallmark Channel's biopic.
  • GadgetManGadgetMan Lagos, Nigeria
    edited July 2020 Posts: 4,247
    I think the main reason why the recent posters aren't that thrilling, is not because they can't come up with Better ideas, but because Craig's Era is more realism than escapism. They also want the posters to stay grounded as well. If the recent films had copious elements of escapism like the older ones, it would have definitely reflected on the posters. I just think the recent posters are designed to match the ultra-realistic style of Craig's Bond.

    If Craig's Bond is in a Business suit and wields a PPK with a raised Eyebrow or Wink, and is surrounded by beautiful women, with pictures of action scenes stylishly designed around the poster, with the Giant Head a Shadowy villain lurking behind him....and I dare say even with a Tagline included, we might say it doesn't suit Craig's Bond, because he doesn't normally kiss the Bond girl at the film's end or end his Bond films on a Particularly Happy Note.
  • LeonardPineLeonardPine The Bar on the Beach
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    GadgetMan wrote: »
    I think the main reason why the recent posters aren't that thrilling, is not because they can't come up with Better ideas, but because Craig's Era is more realism than escapism. They also want the posters to stay grounded as well. If the recent films had copious elements of escapism like the older ones, it would have definitely reflected on the posters. I just think the recent posters are designed to match the ultra-realistic style of Craig's Bond.

    If Craig's Bond is in a Business suit and wields a PPK with a raised Eyebrow or Wink, and is surrounded by beautiful women, with pictures of action scenes stylishly designed around the poster, with the Giant Head a Shadowy villain lurking behind him....and I dare say even with a Tagline included, we might say it doesn't suit Craig's Bond, because he doesn't normally kiss the Bond girl at the film's end or end his Bond films on a Particularly Happy Note.

    Fans have come up with far better posters for SP and NTTD. Without losing the realistic tone of the films. Matching the 'ultra-realistic style of Craig's Bond' is one thing, but to produce such bland uninteresting work is quite another.
  • GadgetManGadgetMan Lagos, Nigeria
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    GadgetMan wrote: »
    I think the main reason why the recent posters aren't that thrilling, is not because they can't come up with Better ideas, but because Craig's Era is more realism than escapism. They also want the posters to stay grounded as well. If the recent films had copious elements of escapism like the older ones, it would have definitely reflected on the posters. I just think the recent posters are designed to match the ultra-realistic style of Craig's Bond.

    If Craig's Bond is in a Business suit and wields a PPK with a raised Eyebrow or Wink, and is surrounded by beautiful women, with pictures of action scenes stylishly designed around the poster, with the Giant Head a Shadowy villain lurking behind him....and I dare say even with a Tagline included, we might say it doesn't suit Craig's Bond, because he doesn't normally kiss the Bond girl at the film's end or end his Bond films on a Particularly Happy Note.

    Fans have come up with far better posters for SP and NTTD. Without losing the realistic tone of the films. Matching the 'ultra-realistic style of Craig's Bond' is one thing, but to produce such bland uninteresting work is quite another.

    Yeah, true....That's it. I think EON are doing this on purpose, coz they must have seen better works from fans, but still ignore and do as they please.
  • ThunderfingerThunderfinger Das Boot Hill
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    None are very good, but GE gets it.
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    GE for me too!
    As dull as the film!
  • mtmmtm United Kingdom
    edited July 2020 Posts: 16,359
    The SF, SP, and NTTD posters are not even as good as 'simplicity'. Honestly, you would have to try very hard to come up with something as ugly as that lot. It looks like they are produced by people without even the slightest clue of basic elements of design.

    I get a bit tired of hyperbole.
    Do you work in design?
  • mtmmtm United Kingdom
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    GadgetMan wrote: »
    I think the main reason why the recent posters aren't that thrilling, is not because they can't come up with Better ideas, but because Craig's Era is more realism than escapism. They also want the posters to stay grounded as well. If the recent films had copious elements of escapism like the older ones, it would have definitely reflected on the posters. I just think the recent posters are designed to match the ultra-realistic style of Craig's Bond.

    If Craig's Bond is in a Business suit and wields a PPK with a raised Eyebrow or Wink, and is surrounded by beautiful women, with pictures of action scenes stylishly designed around the poster, with the Giant Head a Shadowy villain lurking behind him....and I dare say even with a Tagline included, we might say it doesn't suit Craig's Bond, because he doesn't normally kiss the Bond girl at the film's end or end his Bond films on a Particularly Happy Note.

    I would disagree that they aren't thrilling per se, but I think you're dead right: they can't go crazy with it because that would be pretending that the film is something it isn't.
    Also they've worked out what grabs your attention from the side of the bus or whatever. I remember the Spectre one being everywhere and I defy anyone to say it didn't work, that folks didn't know there was a Bond film out.
  • NickTwentyTwoNickTwentyTwo Vancouver, BC, Canada
    edited July 2020 Posts: 7,546
    mtm wrote: »
    GadgetMan wrote: »
    I think the main reason why the recent posters aren't that thrilling, is not because they can't come up with Better ideas, but because Craig's Era is more realism than escapism. They also want the posters to stay grounded as well. If the recent films had copious elements of escapism like the older ones, it would have definitely reflected on the posters. I just think the recent posters are designed to match the ultra-realistic style of Craig's Bond.

    If Craig's Bond is in a Business suit and wields a PPK with a raised Eyebrow or Wink, and is surrounded by beautiful women, with pictures of action scenes stylishly designed around the poster, with the Giant Head a Shadowy villain lurking behind him....and I dare say even with a Tagline included, we might say it doesn't suit Craig's Bond, because he doesn't normally kiss the Bond girl at the film's end or end his Bond films on a Particularly Happy Note.

    I would disagree that they aren't thrilling per se, but I think you're dead right: they can't go crazy with it because that would be pretending that the film is something it isn't.
    Also they've worked out what grabs your attention from the side of the bus or whatever. I remember the Spectre one being everywhere and I defy anyone to say it didn't work, that folks didn't know there was a Bond film out.

    True. With Spectre, the white tux on navy background stood out like crazy. I like the style of that one.

    My favourite Spectre poster, though, will always be:
    imax.jpg
  • CraigMooreOHMSSCraigMooreOHMSS Dublin, Ireland
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    mtm wrote: »
    GadgetMan wrote: »
    I think the main reason why the recent posters aren't that thrilling, is not because they can't come up with Better ideas, but because Craig's Era is more realism than escapism. They also want the posters to stay grounded as well. If the recent films had copious elements of escapism like the older ones, it would have definitely reflected on the posters. I just think the recent posters are designed to match the ultra-realistic style of Craig's Bond.

    If Craig's Bond is in a Business suit and wields a PPK with a raised Eyebrow or Wink, and is surrounded by beautiful women, with pictures of action scenes stylishly designed around the poster, with the Giant Head a Shadowy villain lurking behind him....and I dare say even with a Tagline included, we might say it doesn't suit Craig's Bond, because he doesn't normally kiss the Bond girl at the film's end or end his Bond films on a Particularly Happy Note.

    I would disagree that they aren't thrilling per se, but I think you're dead right: they can't go crazy with it because that would be pretending that the film is something it isn't.
    Also they've worked out what grabs your attention from the side of the bus or whatever. I remember the Spectre one being everywhere and I defy anyone to say it didn't work, that folks didn't know there was a Bond film out.

    True. With Spectre, the white tux on navy background stood out like crazy. I like the style of that one.

    My favourite Spectre poster, though, will always be:
    imax.jpg

    Absolutely the best one of the bunch. I have it proudly on my wall.
  • NickTwentyTwoNickTwentyTwo Vancouver, BC, Canada
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    Mine was unseated by @mtm's poster, until I can find a good place for both!
  • CraigMooreOHMSSCraigMooreOHMSS Dublin, Ireland
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    Can't fault that decision, @NickTwentyTwo :)
  • mtmmtm United Kingdom
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    I'm very honoured! :)
  • NickTwentyTwoNickTwentyTwo Vancouver, BC, Canada
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    Is @jamesbondau on Instagram run by anyone on this site? Noticed your poster popped up on their most recent Instagram post. :P
  • mtmmtm United Kingdom
    edited July 2020 Posts: 16,359
    Is @jamesbondau on Instagram run by anyone on this site? Noticed your poster popped up on their most recent Instagram post. :P

    So it did! But it's a cheeky low-res swiped-off-the-internet version, the swines :)
  • OctopussyOctopussy Piz Gloria, Schilthorn, Switzerland.
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    NTTD
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    I'll have to go with NTTD as well. Oh, where have the painted posters from yesterday gone ?
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    What would've been my choice was strangely not nominated - the U.S. poster for DAD with the heads and arms of Brosnan and Berry pointing guns and a blue background with streaks. Blah. One of the best quips from one of the fans at the time it was out described it as James Bond and his little sister save the world.

    The U.S. LTK poster would've also made a good choice. Again, just thrown together and nothing to draw anybody in.

    Of the actual choices, NTTD by far. If I was going past a cinema in a car or casually and I didn't know who Daniel Craig was and didn't see the 007 logo then you'd have no idea what it is nor would you care. No gun, nothing to identify it as a Bond movie. It's like somebody in the marketing department who had no clue was asked to quickly mock up a poster and just grabbed a random Craig photo and went with it.

    GE, TND and SP aren't great, but not that bad either. QoS really seems strange. I know the Craig era was kind of about stripping away glamour for grit, but it looks more like an ad campaign for people who really need a drink: "After a hard day in the dessert, you deserve a glass of (fill in the blank)."

    Anybody else lean toward liking the teaser posters better than the final release products? So many do a much better job of getting me excited about an upcoming Bond film. For years, I had the TLD "Most dangerous Bond - ever" poster on my bedroom wall.

  • Fire_and_Ice_ReturnsFire_and_Ice_Returns I am trying to get away from this mountan!
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    NTTD wins
  • mtmmtm United Kingdom
    edited July 2020 Posts: 16,359
    BT3366 wrote: »
    What would've been my choice was strangely not nominated - the U.S. poster for DAD with the heads and arms of Brosnan and Berry pointing guns and a blue background with streaks. Blah. One of the best quips from one of the fans at the time it was out described it as James Bond and his little sister save the world.

    The U.S. LTK poster would've also made a good choice. Again, just thrown together and nothing to draw anybody in.

    Of the actual choices, NTTD by far. If I was going past a cinema in a car or casually and I didn't know who Daniel Craig was and didn't see the 007 logo then you'd have no idea what it is nor would you care. No gun, nothing to identify it as a Bond movie. It's like somebody in the marketing department who had no clue was asked to quickly mock up a poster and just grabbed a random Craig photo and went with it.

    I don't like the photo (as you say, it seems to have been slightly grabbed from the pile), but I think the dinner suit and the nature of the title is enough to tell you (for better or worse, 'No Time To Die' sounds like a Bond film title). And if anyone doesn't yet know Daniel Craig is James Bond 15 years in then they're probably not going to be in the market for this film anyway. It won't have been designed in isolation from these facts so we can't really judge it as if it wasn't: it is clearly a Bond film poster.
    BT3366 wrote: »
    GE, TND and SP aren't great, but not that bad either. QoS really seems strange. I know the Craig era was kind of about stripping away glamour for grit, but it looks more like an ad campaign for people who really need a drink: "After a hard day in the dessert, you deserve a glass of (fill in the blank)."

    Yeah I think my main objection to it is that it's a sort of photo illustration: a composite image which has been worked over so thorughly that it's kind of left as being rather style-less: it's neither a photo nor an illustration but somewhere inbetween. If it were a really beautiful, fashion-style photograph of the two of them actually walking in the desert it could have been very stylish.
    BT3366 wrote: »
    Anybody else lean toward liking the teaser posters better than the final release products? So many do a much better job of getting me excited about an upcoming Bond film. For years, I had the TLD "Most dangerous Bond - ever" poster on my bedroom wall.

    They can be lovely. The Casino Royale one of him sat at the poker table with his gun is one of my favourites: I love it when they use good photography (this one is slightly over-retouched, but maybe it needed it). Oddly the NTTD teaser is the first one we've had that's under-processed! :)

  • CraigMooreOHMSSCraigMooreOHMSS Dublin, Ireland
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    For sure - the teaser posters in general (obviously not counting NTTD here) have been better than the theatrical ones for nearly three decades now. The new film is the first time I can think of where the situation is reversed.
  • thedovethedove hiding in the Greek underworld
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    As I flap to the stage and clear my beak of bird food. I take the envelope and share that the winner of the Klebbie for worst movie poster goes to No Time to Die (teaser poster).

    The voting shows that every film poster received votes:
    • NTTD receiving 12 votes
    • TND received 2 votes
    • SP received 3 votes
    • QOS received 2 votes
    • GE received 2 votes

    Bond has had many chases with many vehicles. However his boat chases haven't always been thrilling. Lets turn our attention for the next Klebbie and vote for worst boat chase. You are to look at the pacing and excitement that the chase generates. I would argue it's harder to pull off a good boat chase over a good car chase. Here are the nominees:
    • Students chase Bond through the rivers of Asia from TMWTGG
    • Bond chases Cigar girl down the Thames from TWINE
    • Jaws chases Bond through the rivers of Brazil from MR
    • Bond escapes on the Bayou for a long, long time from LALD
    • A gondola race in Venice leaves some doing a double take from MR

    There you have it my dear academy members. What is the worst boat chase?
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    Jaws chases Bond through the rivers of Brazil from MR. Yes, great scenery and all that, ends with a good stunt, but I found that one a little boring. The others, whatever their flaws (the pigeon !) were not.
  • GadgetManGadgetMan Lagos, Nigeria
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    Not that it's totally Bad, It had potential to be an exciting Boat chase, Especially after the thrilling escape from the Reptiles. But it goes back and forth too often, as it's not Linear enough. I think it starts getting better only when George Martin's Score kicks in....LALD it is.
  • Fire_and_Ice_ReturnsFire_and_Ice_Returns I am trying to get away from this mountan!
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    A gondola race in Venice leaves some doing a double take from MR

    Terrible sequence

    I am glad this was not choose the best as I would struggle seperate the boat chases in TWINE and LALD both superb.
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    TWINE,.. goes on and on and ZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ
  • NickTwentyTwoNickTwentyTwo Vancouver, BC, Canada
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    MR it is for me, on the basis that I can't remember it as much as the others, which I have no problems with.
    @Mathis1 are you sure you aren't just talking about the TWINE PTS in general? :P
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