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  • OctopussyOctopussy Piz Gloria, Schilthorn, Switzerland.
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    GF without a question.
  • thedovethedove hiding in the Greek underworld
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    The Dove is catapulted out onto the stage via a spring loaded bird cage. He dusts himself off! The Bondie for best Q scene is...Q never jokes about his work and gives Bond an Aston Martin DB-5 from GF! It received 14 votes!

    Lots of love for Q and the voting went as follows:
    • Q has an escape plan from TWINE received 5 votes
    • Bond is sorry about the leg and Q puts Freddie all over the wall from GE received 6 votes
    • Bond meets Q in Nassau from TB received 1 vote
    • Uncle Q meets cousin Pam from LTK received 1 vote
    • Q is a storyteller from MR received 1 vote
    • Q wants his thank you kisses later from OP received 1 vote

    Excellent round guys and gals! On to a Klebbie! This time lets swing to those moments of some cringeworthy scenes. You know sometimes you just have those moments in the film when you cringe at either the joke, the scene or the situation. Bodn has had his fair share of cringeworthy scenes and these will be a potpourri of some of the worst.

    The definition of cringeworthy is causing feelings of embarrassment or awkwardness.

    The nominees are:
    • shoddy special effects from Blofeld's satellite from DAF. Whether it's the Chinese guy on fire or the Russian sub that turns red and explodes even by 1971 standards this effects are pretty cringeworthy! What were they thinking!
    • Bond and Stacey play in the shower from AVTAK. Good old Roger was last seen as Bond dropping the soap in the shower with Stacy. Never mind the age gap, this whole set up was being watched by Q. Very cringe inducing!
    • Bond forces himself on Patricia from TB. Times have changed but this scene is cringeworthy. Telling Pat his silence has a price and then forcing her into the steam bath just seems downright creepy now!
    • Bond slaps women around! This is a multi film nomination and that's rather sad. Sean, George and Roger all got some slaps on women! It just looks bad and again maybe back in the time it played well. But now it's just cringeworthy.
    • Bond cracks jokes about Christmas. The whole name of Christmas Jones was so obviously so that the screenwriters could get in some rather lame jokes. I recall watching the film in the theatre and hearing the audience just groan when Pierce said those god awful lines. It is very cringeworthy and a bit of a low point on the types of gags that lazy screenwriters fall prey to from time to time.

    This one might be interesting and the Dove realizes this is not an exhaustive list! Maybe we break it down in future awards to each Bond. Cause I am pretty sure each actor has some cringeworthy material!
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    Yes, all dubious, but have to go with TWINE and the Christmas gag!
    I swear a good majority of the audience i was with groaned with embarrassment!
  • NickTwentyTwoNickTwentyTwo Vancouver, BC, Canada
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    Thunderball
  • ThunderfingerThunderfinger Das Boot Hill
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    Christmas joke by far.
  • mtmmtm United Kingdom
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    I guess I'll go with the Thunderball one as it is a bit horrible to watch, but none of them make me cringe all that badly. The curry gag in Octopussy probably makes me cringe more, or even the 'this should shake them off!' gag in the Tuk Tuk chase! :D

    Actually, no: it would be most of Pierce's attempts at 'serious' acting (which mostly seem to involve him wiping or touching his mouth for some reason!): like the bit where he appears to almost start crying watching the news report of Electra's abduction in TWINE. But even then I'd say that's more funny than cringeworthy... I'll have to have a think.

    It might be that awful sub-Thunderbirds modelwork in GoldenEye? Of the tiny model aeroplane crashing into the little toy satellite dish? I'm trying to think of things that would make me feel embarrassed if I was watching it sat next to someone who isn't into Bond. I think it's most likely to be from a Brosnan film than any other.
  • CraigMooreOHMSSCraigMooreOHMSS Dublin, Ireland
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    They're all pretty awful moments, but Bond and Patricia from Thunderball is one that makes me feel the most discomfort when I'm watching it.

    The Christmas line is awful, but it's awful in a cheesy way. While it reduces the character to a joke, it's still less sinister than bribing someone for sex.
  • GoldenGunGoldenGun Per ora e per il momento che verrà
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    Everything about those 60's Bond films is stylish beyond belief, except the women slapping. It's the one thing I dislike about the era.

    Of all those poorly judged moments though, two scenes bother me more than the others.

    Bringing it back for TMWTGG is a big mistake. The way the film handles Andrea's character is hugely ill-advised.

    But the worst moment has to be Bond forcing himself on Pussy Galore. I revisited GF recently, and while I have other favourites it was a great experience and I think it will gain a lot of spots in my next ranking. Except for that barn scene, for me it's the most jarring moment in Bond history.
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    I like the DAF Chinese soldier. He’s brilliant. Every time I watch DAF I have to replay that bit half a dozen times. One of the most hilarious shots in film history. But then I love the whole thing. “Prepare my bathysub.” Wonderful :))

    I can think of loads more scenes that have made me, or the people I have been watching the films with, cringe. I almost died with embarrassment in the cinema when a low grade cover of the Beach Boys opened up in AVTAK.

    But to stick to the nominees ... I’ll go with Christmas Jones. It’s a Carry On level of joke and Carry On deservedly bit the dust. DAD suffers from the same problem. “I think I got the er thrust of it, fnar fnar.” Awful. Makes Viz comic look like Jane Austen.
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    I say "Bond slaps women around" deserves the most dishonor. This trope did not exist in Fleming and did not need to exist in the Bond films either. Bond might charm and seduce women, or occasionally have harsh words with them, but he should never bully or coerce them. A gentleman doesn't do that and Bond is the last and greatest of the gentleman heroes.
  • thedovethedove hiding in the Greek underworld
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    Well said @Revelator I always cringe when he slaps a woman. I have had to explain to my son why he slapped her or twisted her arm or some of the other man-handling that went on. If I was voting it would win the vote for me.
  • edited July 2020 Posts: 1,917
    I could do a couple of Klebbies made up of cringey moments from AVTAK and will choose the soap shower scene from AVTAK. The idea of Moore's Bond at that age with a much younger woman, the bad jokes, the cat bowl and Q's voyeuristic moment makes this probably my least favorite ending of the series. All-around cringey then and now.

    The slapping women has also always been hard to watch, but like many things was a product of its time along with Bond forcing himself on Pussy, Pat Fearing, and I guess you could include Miss Taro and tricking Solitaire into bed and so on. The Christmas joke is also an all-time eye-roller, but not the lowest of the low.
  • mtmmtm United Kingdom
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    But to stick to the nominees ... I’ll go with Christmas Jones. It’s a Carry On level of joke and Carry On deservedly bit the dust. DAD suffers from the same problem. “I think I got the er thrust of it, fnar fnar.” Awful. Makes Viz comic look like Jane Austen.

    Yeah DAD really suffers: the whole beachside bikini mojito scene is full of very cringey bad dialogue. And then we get to watch James Bond actually ejaculate, which has got to be right up there for cringe as it's Brosnan playing it! :D
  • Last_Rat_StandingLast_Rat_Standing Long Neck Ice Cold Beer Never Broke My Heart
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    AVTAK
    "That is not the soap."
    (Shudders)
  • R1s1ngs0nR1s1ngs0n France
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    Slap happy Bond gets my vote.
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    Hmmm... Slapping women in general gets it for me.

    But if I have to get more personal, there's a cringeworthy scene that's it's also essential to the plot, so it's cringe, but good cringe; it makes us understand that Bond is about to lose it just when he realises that Saunders can be a grouch but a he’s a true companion and then he’s gruesomely killed.
    So yes, my personal bet goes for Bond about to shoot an innocent child on TLD. Wow!
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    About GF, I wonder why they didn't do the HMS Pinafore joke on this scene. Probably because (to a british audience at least) it might have been too obvious.

    Most cringeworthy moment, if I have to go by the nominations, I would go with the Christmas joke. But if I can choose another one, it will be Moneypenny's VR scene in DAD. What were they thinking ? Oh, that's right, they didn't think. At all.
  • M_BaljeM_Balje Amsterdam, Netherlands
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    Bond forces himself on Patricia from TB.
  • mtmmtm United Kingdom
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    Gerard wrote: »
    About GF, I wonder why they didn't do the HMS Pinafore joke on this scene. Probably because (to a british audience at least) it might have been too obvious.

    Which scene are you talking about? GF isn't nominated..?
  • DwayneDwayne New York City
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    @dove. I’m going to modify your definition of cringeworthy somewhat. To me there is “objectionable” and “embarrassing”, with the latter being reserved for things that are poorly executed or the result of lazy writing.

    In many ways, I reminded of the prior discussion over the "Fetch My Shoes” line from DN (p41). If you love “classic” movies as much as I do, there is a lot of “objectionable” content out there – sometimes subtle, sometimes not (i.e., Mickey Rooney’s “Asian face” character in “Breakfast At Tiffany’s”). For example, “Bond forces himself on Patricia from TB” or “Bond slaps women around!” are certainly objectionable – although movie goers in the 1960s probably gave it a pass. And I can’t separate those scenes from knowing that Connery himself is on-record as condoning an “open-hand.” In short, I’m forced to conclude that these choices were an unfortunate product of their time. And while I don’t give them a free pass, when I watch those movies, I’m more inclined to consider how social mores have changed over the years and joke about “how you couldn’t get away with that now.”

    For the other choices:
    Shoddy special effects from Blofeld's satellite from DAF.
    Most of the budget probably went towards Connery’s $1.25million salary, so Ken Adam knew that the special effects would probably be on the light side! In any case, the scene is underscored by Barry’s outstanding “007 and counting” musical clue, so I’ll give this a pass.

    Bond and Stacey play in the shower from AVTAK.
    An utterly embarrassing send off for Roger, that by attempting to end the movie on an old-school “OH..JAMES!” sexual moment, only served to remind me - in 1985 - just how old Moore was compared to Tanya Roberts. And how much better this was done in DN,FRWL,GF, etc... Were the writers deliberately trying to give him a bad send off?!

    Bond cracks jokes about Christmas.
    Dear GOD! This joke was set-up from the moment that Bond met Dr. Jones, so I suppose the scriptwriters felt compelled to follow through. Of note, “Robot Chicken” choose this particular joke to spoof the James Bond series (I’ve posted the YouTube link of several occasions). After an excellent start with GE, there is no better symbol of the decline in quality over the span of the Brosnan era than this (IMO, of course). As stated by @mtm and @IGotABrudder, DAD has several cringeworthy moments, but normally I’ve hit the eject button on my DVD player before many of them come up😊.

    The Champion and still loser: “I Thought Christmas Came Only Once A Year”, with Bond and Stacey’s shower scene not far behind.

    I apologize for the wordy nature of my response, but it is an interesting topic worth breaking down (paging Dr Lisa Funnell, paging Dr. Lisa Funnell….).
  • GoldenGunGoldenGun Per ora e per il momento che verrà
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    Revelator wrote: »
    I say "Bond slaps women around" deserves the most dishonor. This trope did not exist in Fleming and did not need to exist in the Bond films either. Bond might charm and seduce women, or occasionally have harsh words with them, but he should never bully or coerce them. A gentleman doesn't do that and Bond is the last and greatest of the gentleman heroes.

    Exactly. Well said.
  • thedovethedove hiding in the Greek underworld
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    Bravo @dwayne! I love when the academy members deep dive into the nominations and even question the nominees. You are correct with your thoughts. I tend to cringe at the slaps and rough stuff on the women. But I am applying today's sensibilities to yesterday's era. I admit my shortcomings.

    You do wonder about AVTAK and what they were thinking. I think it was obvious if not widely known that Moore was leaving the role. Not sure what Maibaum and Wilson were thinking. I have often thought that maybe the whole thing was written with a different actor in the role? I don't know. Maybe the whole dialogue was improvised between Roberts and Moore. But it is a cringe ending.

    Thanks for your views and thoughts. Yes if Dr. Lisa is on the boards I would love her to weigh in. :)
  • MaxCasinoMaxCasino United States
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    Anything with Sheriff J.W. Pepper. He singlehanded almost killed the franchise.
  • echoecho 007 in New York
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    I vote for the many slaps.
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    Yep, the slapping.

    I immediately thought of the DAD surf scene when I saw the topic. I guess it'd be a runaway "winner."
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    mtm wrote: »
    Gerard wrote: »
    About GF, I wonder why they didn't do the HMS Pinafore joke on this scene. Probably because (to a british audience at least) it might have been too obvious.

    Which scene are you talking about? GF isn't nominated..?

    I was backpedaling a bit, recalling the preceding nomination.
  • OctopussyOctopussy Piz Gloria, Schilthorn, Switzerland.
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    DAF
  • mtmmtm United Kingdom
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    Gerard wrote: »
    mtm wrote: »
    Gerard wrote: »
    About GF, I wonder why they didn't do the HMS Pinafore joke on this scene. Probably because (to a british audience at least) it might have been too obvious.

    Which scene are you talking about? GF isn't nominated..?

    I was backpedaling a bit, recalling the preceding nomination.

    Oh okay. And what’s the obvious Gilbert & Sullivan gag in the Q scene?
  • PrinceKamalKhanPrinceKamalKhan Monsoon Palace, Udaipur
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    mtm wrote: »
    Actually, no: it would be most of Pierce's attempts at 'serious' acting (which mostly seem to involve him wiping or touching his mouth for some reason!): like the bit where he appears to almost start crying watching the news report of Electra's abduction in TWINE. But even then I'd say that's more funny than cringeworthy... I'll have to have a think.

    +1. One of the main reasons TWINE currently ranks next to the last in my rankings and makes me very glad in retrospect that EON didn't have the rights to film CR back in 1999.

    As for this round I vote for:

    Bond cracks jokes about Christmas in TWINE.

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    MaxCasino wrote: »
    Anything with Sheriff J.W. Pepper. He singlehanded almost killed the franchise.
    Maybe you're flip, but I'd doubt anybody actually said "I will never watch a Bond movie again because of this character." He's an unnecessary addition to both films, but not a deal-breaker. In fact, on another thread I talked about how unnecessary he was in LALD and a ton of members came out in his defense.
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