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Burning away money for a huge sequence that's all style, no substance, much like the film as a whole.
Big, empty streets, a shot of Hinx that looks like a PS2 cutscene and not much else.
Don't forget Frank Sinatra and the old man and his airbag!
Sadly that’s the case. Lots of jumbled ideas that sadly don’t gel is how I describe SPECTRE.
The brilliant QoS PTS car chase alone beats anything seen in SP, not just the dull Top Gear car chase. The one scene in SP worth watching is the train fight. Everything else is forgettable.
QoS has its issues. The rapid Bourne editing is a bit too much at times, and jars with the way the rest of the film is shot, and the script isn't brilliant.
But the Tosca scene, the final battle in the desert, the end scene in Russia, and Arnold giving arguably his best Barry circa 1971 sounding score, there is a lot more to enjoy in QoS than SP. At least QoS is not boring.
Same here, it’s the one Bond film I can’t bring myself to watch. I’ve only watched it maybe 2x in a single setting, and even then it’s pretty dreadful.
Yes, whereas the car chase in QoS is amazing, the car in SPECTRE is tame and underwhelming.
Personally QoS got better with each subsequent viewing while SP got considerably worse. To the point with SP I can barely manage to watch the whole thing anymore. It's such an uneven mess, full of bad dialogue and bad ideas.
I’m on board with you there. Not a SPECTRE fan myself, but I think both QOS and SPECTRE are about on equal footing to me. I will say that Camille, and Greene are highlights for me, specifically Camille, I really loved her character.
You are 100% on your own on this one, lol. Mendes put everything he had into SF, whereas he fell asleep at the wheel on SP. Night and day difference between the two films from both an action-film standpoint and artistically.
The endless table scene?
Given the editing and the runtime, there's nothing "endless" about QoS.
That’s actually a good point. I dislike QOS greatly, but I was amazed at how fast it flew by for me.
Not quite on his own! I would take SP over SF anyday. SF just didnt do it for me.
However I would take QOS over both of them. Agree with my friend Leonardpine, gets better with every viewing!
I like Greene. He’s a weak villian yeah, and not really memorable. But he’s a twerp, and it’s funny seeing him get his arse handed to him by Bond. I even like when he clumsily puts the axe in his foot.
I think you're both essentially right about Greene. He isn't exactly memorable and has no real distinctive, memorable qualities really. But he functions well as a down-to-earth villain with a plausable international scheme for Bond to deal with. I agree 100% with @MakeshiftPython 's assessment, but still think he's a decent addition to the franchise (which is otherwise, for the most part, filled with larger than life megalomania).
Interesting and very strange that they couldn't add a throw-away line about it.
Would have worked as a line in from Q in the hotel room: "Strange, the toxicology of them all contain Reidite, a rare element most commonly found in... meteorite crash sites?" Maybe a quick odd look between them like, did these people come from space?
Then when we see the meteorite in Morocco, it would have lined things up more satisfyingly.
Interesting. I do remember some critics saying that SP was a return to a more "traditional" Bond. I mean, Peter Travers was glowing:
"If there is such a thing as 'James Bond’s Greatest Hits,' then Spectre is it. The 25th movie about the British MI6 agent with a license to kill is party time for Bond fans, a fierce, funny, gorgeously produced valentine to the longest-running franchise in movies."
https://www.rollingstone.com/movies/movie-reviews/spectre-112462/
My feelings exactly. Albeit I’ve always enjoyed QoS.
What a limp wristed and disappointing Blofeld Waltz was too. As bad as Grey in drag!
Knowing Tarantino's tastes, that's not too surprising. A lot of SP feels like a greatest hits of 60s Bond iconography and that's something Tarantino would eat up. Plus, his boy Christoph Waltz is in it, so that probably colors his perception of it a lot more positively.
I'm struggling to think of any table scene in QoS. When they're comparing the banknotes before Bond goes off to Haiti?
Yeah, or maybe the scene where Greene and Medrano are signing the papers on the table in the Perla de los Dunas?
I think maybe the OP was talking about the board meeting scene in Spectre, and not anything in QoS?
I think Tarantino comes across as a bit “angered” (if that’s the correct term), with the Craig Era. We all know about his attempted bid to do Casino Royale, and the fact he never got that opportunity, and I think that must be the reason why. I do agree with his assessment on the best Bond actors, I have the same top 3 (Connery, Brosnan, then Moore, in that order), but I’ve always felt like Tarantino’s opinions are a bit clouded in spite.
I think he's pretty earnest about his thoughts on SF and SP. Way back in 2006 he said he couldn't bring himself to watch CR because he would be very biased given how attached he was to doing an adaptation of the novel. I dunno if he ever finally watched it all these years, but him watching Craig's later films suggest he may have gotten over that gripe.
But like I said earlier, I wouldn't be surprised if he was more enthusiastic of SP simply because of his buddy Waltz being in it.
Yeah, QOS is still my favourite Craig Bond.
SF is definitely less of a Bond film in terms of template, and SP was much more consciously trying to go for something "classic" or "trope heavy." Tarantino would probably appreciate that, I'd guess. Speaking of which, I thought his newest movie was really good.