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Well, Jada is barely famous. I'm not sure all that many people pay the attention she's sought...
I'm pretty sure one might make a joke about a person sitting 20 feet in front of them and appears to have chosen to shave her head without having watched her Instagram videos about her brave struggle. I certainly had no idea about it, and anecdotally, most people appear to have learned of it after the incident. And TMZ, according to my news app, says Rock didn't know about it.
Chris Rock isn't really the type of comic who goes out to make fun of someone's illness, even one that apparently has hair loss as its only symptom.
You seem to be saying it's her fault for wanting attention, and I'm just pointing out that Chris Rock clearly has been paying her attention whether you think she deserves it or not.
As I said, I would be surprised if Rock said that he didn't know about her condition, because it sounds very much like a weak weaselly excuse even if it's true. He certainly didn't seem very confused about why he got the slap.
Well, he said "It was a GI Jane joke!" Seemed slightly confused to me.
He had previously made a joke about Javier Bardem and Penelope Cruz both being nominated, and then moved on to the Smiths, and how that wasn't a problem for them. That appeared to be the crux of the gag for that segment, and it's probably a bit meaner than the GI Jane thing!
Great comment. I've seen a number of comments to the effect that "well I hope my husband would do the same!" and I would hope the fashionable equation of words with violence doesn't lead to widespread Sicilian-style concepts of honor. We can do better.
No I think laughing at someone's medical condition and their appearance for a cheap gag is pretty cruel; meaner than laughing about a professional situation. Your mileage may vary which is totally fine, but I'd say that if you do something very unkind like that then you'd need to be prepared for the butt of the joke (or their loved ones) to do something unkind back to you, and they may even overreact like Smith did so you need to be careful with it. It's not ideal but it's just kind of how the world works.
I haven't watched the Oscars but it looked like he was roasting Cruz/Bardem before it cut to Smith/Jada. If he was roasting them for their appearance then I would say that invalidates him saying it's just a G.I Jane joke because then his small routine was completely about roasting appearances.
EDIT: Also thank God Ricky Gervais wasn't hosting. There'd have been a brawl lol.
I took the "It's a GI Jane joke" as him basically saying: "Mate, that's by far the tamest thing I could have gone with for you guys." He even says "That was a nice one" after people are not really laughing about it and before getting slapped.
Yeah I'm not offended by it, just a bit bored by the whole thing. I actually think it can be done well and very skilfully with charm to diffuse it, but a few too many comedians have hopped on the bandwagon without actually managing to do it well in recent years.
Yes I must say I kind of disregarded that joke as it was so nothingy.
Absolutely.
But if we're focusing on words, did nobody else find Will's speech about what God is doing through him extremely weird? Hitting a guy and then saying "love makes you do crazy things" is the language of a real creep. Or talking about how much he loved "protecting" various women in the film who presumably did not require or request his protection...it seemed very, er, "old-fashioned", to put it one way.
Alopecia isn't a 'hairstyle' though.
Yeah it seemed like he's struggling a bit, and some of the language did have the whiff of the sort of excuses domestic violence perpetrators use (I'm not saying he is one: just that the excuses are similar).
Which Chris may or may not have been aware of. The TMZ headline says he wasn't, and I don't think most people were, but who knows. I too have lost true choice when it comes to hairstyles ;-) so I will confess I don't feel all that precious about it.
Back on topic, I found Eilish's acceptance of the Oscar a welcome respite from the unpleasantness of Smith's action.
It seems to be very well-publicised in all of those circles so I find the idea he didn't to be pretty suspect. He's supposed to have done his research on all of these people, and I would imagine he probably knows most of them.
And honestly: if I see a woman with a shaved head my first thought can be 'oh gosh, I hope she hasn't been ill' as it can often be a sign of something much worse. If I don't know I don't make a joke about it, so I'd be surprised if he decided to wade in with no info at all and he would seem even more at fault if he did.
Well, I don't think that's how it works for alopecia, especially for women where hair loss is much more uncommon and upsetting. It's a dick move to make a joke about it, it's an overreaction to give him a slap; but it was deserving of a reaction in some way.
Personally I think people are way overreacting about a slap and the whole thing is more funny than any sort of sign of a terrible decline in society.
Every word of this. Smith wasn't defending his wife's honour, because after she's spent so long telling the world about all the other men and women she's slept with while still married to Will, that boat's sailed. Will Smith's had to sit and listen to Jada regale the media with his cuckoldry for a long time now - I can't help but see this as years of pent-up humiliation coming out. But like Jimjam said, I do suspect that he wouldn't've done it if Chris Rock hadn't been a wee 5ft pixie man who couldn't fight back.
Well you have people who like outmoded gender roles, and you have people who build ethics around feelings and identity rather than actions or intent. Inadvertently working toward the same ends, they can find violence noble, or as above, "funny".
He wasn't roasting Bardem or Cruz' appearance. He made a harmless joke about there being trouble in paradise if Penelope didn't win and Bardem did. It was a harmless clean joke. As for the Smiths, the real bizarre thing is that Rock's joke wasn't even an insult. Jada usually has hair. This is the first time she's publicly come out without any hair and all he said was looking forward to seeing her in GI Jane 2. I'm sorry but getting emotionally upset over such a remark is ridiculous, talk less of attacking the man for it.
If you look closely, the joke came and went and the audience only was only escalated their laughter when Jada visibly rolled her eyes and then seconds later Jada gaslights Mr "emasculated-man in crisis big Willy" goes up and needlessly slaps him for it.
Chris Rock did nothing wrong. Meanwhile we have a whole thread here dedicated to Daniel Craig’s hair been ridiculed for receding etc. The mental gymnastics, fake virtue signalling and oversensitive snowflake society in which we live in is deeply concerning.
Some people find others' illnesses funny I guess, swings and roundabouts really.
I'll take a bit of slapstick over that any day.
So no-one should be oversensitive about a slap.
It's not exactly the first time a comedian has had a tap for making a bad joke: check out Jerry Sadowitz and Canada :)
I'm not offended or concerned by either of them: one guy made a bad joke, another overreacted wildly to it. It's not a reflection of a terrible society, it's just a couple of guys embarrassing themselves.
True but I wasn't referring to being oversensitive about the slap but rather the joke that seemingly caused the slap.