Peter Hunt - An Appreciation (the former Peter Hunt Auteur thread)

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    BT3366 wrote: »
    Never heard this before. Does this mean when it comes to the success of GF that Hunt, Maibaum and Dehn should receive as much credit as Hamilton, who never seemed shy about talking up his contributions the film on the interviews I've seen. Especially in light of his following three efforts that aren't near what GF was.

    Some of the blame with Hamilton's other 3 films have to lie mainly at the script too. With GF he got lucky, as GF is one of the novels that really works when adapted to the big screen - if anything it's the one adaptation that actually improves on the novel.

    It would be pretty difficult to mess GF up when you have such a solid script in the first place, and surrounded by an array of talent. Likewise with OHMSS, another first class script that was solid enough that even an unknown actor with very little experience playing the lead couldn't spoil.

  • This discussion got me thinking... has there ever been a scandal-free and smoothly-run Bond production? Likely nothing in the Craig era would qualify, and it's fascinating to read all these stories about Hunt that shed light on some films like TB and GF.
  • mtmmtm United Kingdom
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    BT3366 wrote: »
    Never heard this before. Does this mean when it comes to the success of GF that Hunt, Maibaum and Dehn should receive as much credit as Hamilton, who never seemed shy about talking up his contributions the film on the interviews I've seen. Especially in light of his following three efforts that aren't near what GF was.

    Editors are enormously important to movies. I was listening to a podcast about the editing of Planes Trains and Automobiles, and that film got completely revamped in the edit, even building the ending to work differently. They can be the real hidden filmmakers.
  • mtmmtm United Kingdom
    edited January 2021 Posts: 16,420
    BT3366 wrote: »
    Never heard this before. Does this mean when it comes to the success of GF that Hunt, Maibaum and Dehn should receive as much credit as Hamilton, who never seemed shy about talking up his contributions the film on the interviews I've seen. Especially in light of his following three efforts that aren't near what GF was.

    Some of the blame with Hamilton's other 3 films have to lie mainly at the script too. With GF he got lucky, as GF is one of the novels that really works when adapted to the big screen - if anything it's the one adaptation that actually improves on the novel.

    I think most of the Bond films which actually do adapt their novels (so not including ones like DAF or MR) improve on the source material. They all tighten it up or make changes to make them more interesting or work better.
    It would be pretty difficult to mess GF up when you have such a solid script in the first place, and surrounded by an array of talent. Likewise with OHMSS, another first class script that was solid enough that even an unknown actor with very little experience playing the lead couldn't spoil.

    I watched it again the other day and I can’t deny my opinion of Lazenby in it did slip even lower. He’s a real black hole in it and they really just shouldn’t have. I think if he doesn’t ruin it, he really spoils it. Looks great though.

    One thing I hadn’t ever really appreciated before though is the stock car scene. I think I’ve always been a bit down on it because it’s so nonsensical, even for a Bond; but the photography (when it’s not being messed around with rubbish editing tricks) is rather stunning, and it’s got quite an impactful, almost gritty air to it.

    The bobsled scene on the other hand has always been too silly for me, and it looks ridiculous with all of that back projection work.
  • MaxCasinoMaxCasino United States
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    Guy Hamilton, Tom Mankiewicz and Sheriff J.W. Pepper almost killed James Bond in the 70s. They’re examples of staying on too long, and making it too silly. I think TM is a hypocrite calling out Mario Puzo’s script of Superman too campy, when his Bond screenplays were as silly as the Batman 66 series. Ironically, Guy Hamilton was going to direct before TM got involved with Richard Donner.
  • echoecho 007 in New York
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    This discussion got me thinking... has there ever been a scandal-free and smoothly-run Bond production? Likely nothing in the Craig era would qualify, and it's fascinating to read all these stories about Hunt that shed light on some films like TB and GF.

    It's a good question. Off the top of my head, it seems like a lot of the Moores (not FYEO, sadly) went smoothly.
  • MaxCasinoMaxCasino United States
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    echo wrote: »
    This discussion got me thinking... has there ever been a scandal-free and smoothly-run Bond production? Likely nothing in the Craig era would qualify, and it's fascinating to read all these stories about Hunt that shed light on some films like TB and GF.

    It's a good question. Off the top of my head, it seems like a lot of the Moores (not FYEO, sadly) went smoothly.

    Where and when did FYEO get into a scandal? I know that there was recasting drama, and Richard Maibaum bashing Roger Moore for not being real enough.
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    MaxCasino wrote: »
    echo wrote: »
    This discussion got me thinking... has there ever been a scandal-free and smoothly-run Bond production? Likely nothing in the Craig era would qualify, and it's fascinating to read all these stories about Hunt that shed light on some films like TB and GF.

    It's a good question. Off the top of my head, it seems like a lot of the Moores (not FYEO, sadly) went smoothly.

    Where and when did FYEO get into a scandal? I know that there was recasting drama, and Richard Maibaum bashing Roger Moore for not being real enough.
    MaxCasino wrote: »
    echo wrote: »
    This discussion got me thinking... has there ever been a scandal-free and smoothly-run Bond production? Likely nothing in the Craig era would qualify, and it's fascinating to read all these stories about Hunt that shed light on some films like TB and GF.

    It's a good question. Off the top of my head, it seems like a lot of the Moores (not FYEO, sadly) went smoothly.

    Where and when did FYEO get into a scandal? I know that there was recasting drama, and Richard Maibaum bashing Roger Moore for not being real enough.

    No scandal, per say, but some problems during the production, none of which was too bad: There was the monks putting out their laundry to protest the shoot on Meteora in Greece; there was the death of a stuntman in the bobsled during that chase scene; Bernard Lee dying before shooting his part; Moore supposedly protesting when asked to kick Loque's car off the cliff; Carole Bouquet not being able to do any actual underwater scenes due to some condition and having to work around that. There may have been others.

    Upon release, there was the controversy over the main poster art with the girl with the thong being covered up, cropped or other alterations in many newspapers. Then much later there was the mini scandal with Tula, who it was revealed was previously a man.
  • edited January 2021 Posts: 113
    Every production has its ups and downs but if one studies what info is there for each Bond production the ideas and conclusions one can then draw are very illuminating.
    In DAF you can IMMEDIATELY feel Peter’s absence. Hamilton’s normal pacing is slower normally anyway in his non-Bonds. However the slower pace allows for a relaxed feel which fits the film’s inherent satire and wicked humor. And interestingly it took two editors and they kept the film right at two hours. So in spite of it not being at the usual quick Bond rhythm it’s still at the right runtime which allows for the film to not overstay its welcome. Also the producers were still probably miffed over Hunt not revealing OHMSS being a reel or two longer until right before the premiere.
    Also DAF still has the Bond gloss with Hamilton, Maibaum, Ken Adam and Ted Moore coming back.
    The real issue would have been the original plan shooting entirely at Universal studios in LA with John Gavin. Gavin wouldn’t have been the issue but shooting at Universal would have as the film wouldn’t have looked or felt like a Bond film any longer.

    I would argue the energy of DAF comes not from the editing but from Mankiewicz being the fresh blood and injecting newness to the series.
  • Thought I’d bump this old thread of mine with a wonderful YouTube essay dedicated to OHMSS. A must watch for any fans of the films, and perhaps the most insightful analysis of any Bond movie found on YouTube.

  • Do you think it was the right thing to do for Peter Hunt to stay out of encouraging George Lazenby to remain as 007?

    It is said that Hunt felt that it was not his place to interfere even though he was director of OHMSS. It is noted that Hunt didn't want to talk much with Lazenby or have the cast and crew talk to him on set in an effort to make him genuinely angry on screen.
  • edited August 2022 Posts: 2,270
    Do you think it was the right thing to do for Peter Hunt to stay out of encouraging George Lazenby to remain as 007?

    It is said that Hunt felt that it was not his place to interfere even though he was director of OHMSS. It is noted that Hunt didn't want to talk much with Lazenby or have the cast and crew talk to him on set in an effort to make him genuinely angry on screen.

    Honestly I don’t even think Peter Hunt would’ve been able to convince Lazenby to return. Lazenby was too much of a free spirit, and he would’ve stuck with the advice Ronan O’Reily gave him despite all the enticing offers he may have received. Plus I don’t think the rumors of Hunt ignoring Lazenby for the entirety of the shoot are 100% true. You can’t direct a Bond film without having direct contact and conversations with the Star. However, Hunt did state once that on the day they shot the final scene, he chose to ignore George to get him in that state of nervousness, and fair enough it paid off extremely well.
  • Do you think it was the right thing to do for Peter Hunt to stay out of encouraging George Lazenby to remain as 007?

    It is said that Hunt felt that it was not his place to interfere even though he was director of OHMSS. It is noted that Hunt didn't want to talk much with Lazenby or have the cast and crew talk to him on set in an effort to make him genuinely angry on screen.

    Honestly I don’t even think Peter Hunt would’ve been able to convince Lazenby to return. Lazenby was too much of a free spirit, and he would’ve stuck with the advice Ronan O’Reily gave him despite all the enticing offers he may have received. Plus I don’t think the rumors of Hunt ignoring Lazenby for the entirety of the shoot are 100% true. You can’t direct a Bond film without having direct contact and conversations with the Star. However, Hunt did state once that on the day they shot the final scene, he chose to ignore George to get him in that state of nervousness, and fair enough it paid off extremely well.

    Such talent. And yes, Peter Hunt did focus a bit much on style and visuals but he did it in a way that is timeless and has only been closely matched by the timelessness in terms of style and visuals with QoS in the decades since.

    He may have been the best director of the series.
  • Do you think it was the right thing to do for Peter Hunt to stay out of encouraging George Lazenby to remain as 007?

    It is said that Hunt felt that it was not his place to interfere even though he was director of OHMSS. It is noted that Hunt didn't want to talk much with Lazenby or have the cast and crew talk to him on set in an effort to make him genuinely angry on screen.

    Honestly I don’t even think Peter Hunt would’ve been able to convince Lazenby to return. Lazenby was too much of a free spirit, and he would’ve stuck with the advice Ronan O’Reily gave him despite all the enticing offers he may have received. Plus I don’t think the rumors of Hunt ignoring Lazenby for the entirety of the shoot are 100% true. You can’t direct a Bond film without having direct contact and conversations with the Star. However, Hunt did state once that on the day they shot the final scene, he chose to ignore George to get him in that state of nervousness, and fair enough it paid off extremely well.

    Such talent. And yes, Peter Hunt did focus a bit much on style and visuals but he did it in a way that is timeless and has only been closely matched by the timelessness in terms of style and visuals with QoS in the decades since.

    He may have been the best director of the series.

    Some of his creative decisions I do question though, I’ve always felt the sped up footage in films like Thunderball and Dr. No aged quite poorly, but the way he uses that sped up footage for the fights in OHMSS is quite brilliant. I would agree that Hunt is a runner up for best director of the series, hell probably the best editor the series had.
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