Rank the 5 Daniel Craig Bond films (no discussion, just list)

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  • Creasy47Creasy47 In Cuba with Natalya.Moderator
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    LucknFate wrote: »
    Just to stir the pot:

    Casino Royale
    Mission: Impossible Fallout
    Mission: Impossible Rogue Nation
    Mission: Impossible
    Mission: Impossible III
    Quantum of Solace
    Mission: Impossible Ghost Protocol
    Mission: Impossible II
    Mission: Impossible Dead Reckoning
    Skyfall
    No Time To Die
    Spectre

    How risky of you! I don't know if I could rank them altogether like that but it sounds interesting. Might give it a shot.
  • LucknFateLucknFate 007 In New York
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    Creasy47 wrote: »
    LucknFate wrote: »
    Just to stir the pot:

    Casino Royale
    Mission: Impossible Fallout
    Mission: Impossible Rogue Nation
    Mission: Impossible
    Mission: Impossible III
    Quantum of Solace
    Mission: Impossible Ghost Protocol
    Mission: Impossible II
    Mission: Impossible Dead Reckoning
    Skyfall
    No Time To Die
    Spectre

    How risky of you! I don't know if I could rank them altogether like that but it sounds interesting. Might give it a shot.

    My approach was: what's going to get a rewatch. This or that? and that's where I landed.
  • edited July 2023 Posts: 2,161
    I think it’s the same as before, but:

    CASINO ROYALE
    QUANTUM OF SOLACE
    SKYFALL

    NO TIME TO DIE

    SPECTRE
  • Birdleson wrote: »
    I think it’s the same as before, but:

    CASINO ROYALE
    QUANTUM OF SOLACE
    SKYFALL

    NO TIME TO DIE

    SPECTRE

    Nice one @Birdleson . Mirrors my own currently.
  • Junglist_1985Junglist_1985 Los Angeles
    edited July 2023 Posts: 1,033
    Birdleson wrote: »
    I think it’s the same as before, but:

    CASINO ROYALE
    QUANTUM OF SOLACE
    SKYFALL

    NO TIME TO DIE

    SPECTRE

    Nice one @Birdleson . Mirrors my own currently.

    Have to agree as well.

    Most days I place SP above NTTD though by simply feeling more like a Bond flick. However I’m fully aware that NTTD has better quality sequences. Otherwise yes - CR, QOS, and SF in that order.
  • Last_Rat_StandingLast_Rat_Standing Long Neck Ice Cold Beer Never Broke My Heart
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    Swapping SP and NTTD.

    CR
    SF
    SP
    NTTD
    QOS
  • chrisisallchrisisall Brosnan Defender Of The Realm
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    Birdleson wrote: »
    I think it’s the same as before, but:

    CASINO ROYALE
    QUANTUM OF SOLACE
    SKYFALL

    NO TIME TO DIE

    SPECTRE

    Yes, the SPECTRE hate grows within you. Soon you will be one with the Blofeld side!
  • Skyfall
    Casino Royale
    Spectre
    Quantum of Solace
    No Time to Die
  • talos7talos7 New Orleans
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    CR
    SF
    QoS
    NTtD
    SP

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    CR
    SF
    SP
    QOS

    The first two were great fun. The last two weren't as great, but I still liked them because they were Bond films.
    I think that mops up the Craig era nicely for me.
  • Creasy47Creasy47 In Cuba with Natalya.Moderator
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    CR
    SF
    SP
    QOS

    The first two were great fun. The last two weren't as great, but I still liked them because they were Bond films.
    I think that mops up the Craig era nicely for me.

    Does this mean you didn't see NTTD or you loathed it so much that you don't even bother to rank it?
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    Creasy47 wrote: »
    Does this mean you didn't see NTTD or you loathed it so much that you don't even bother to rank it?

    I've actually watched it quite a few times, trying to get into the 'fitting end to Craig's tenure' thing. But I just can't. I don't think of it as a 'proper' Bond movie now. It's like Casino Royale '67 to me.
  • BennyBenny Shaken not stirredAdministrator, Moderator
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    Casino Royale
    Skyfall
    Quantum Of Solace
    Spectre
    No Time To Die
  • SIS_HQSIS_HQ At the Vauxhall Headquarters
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    Skyfall
    Casino Royale
    Quantum of Solace
    SPECTRE
    No Time To Die
    Creasy47 wrote: »
    Does this mean you didn't see NTTD or you loathed it so much that you don't even bother to rank it?

    I've actually watched it quite a few times, trying to get into the 'fitting end to Craig's tenure' thing. But I just can't. I don't think of it as a 'proper' Bond movie now. It's like Casino Royale '67 to me.

    For me, it felt like a Daniel Craig non Bond film, an ordinary film starring Craig, Daniel Craig film, but not a Bond film.
  • Last_Rat_StandingLast_Rat_Standing Long Neck Ice Cold Beer Never Broke My Heart
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    There are definitely vibes from it regarding Craig. I've seen multiple posts stating that it's his best performance and I actually think it's his worst. In particular, once he returns to London. He's great as Bond in everything else leading up to that point. Then he becomes sorta weird throughout the rest.
  • SIS_HQSIS_HQ At the Vauxhall Headquarters
    edited August 2023 Posts: 3,789
    Yes, I would rather line NTTD up with the likes of Knives Out/Glass Onion, Layer Cake, Road To Perdition, Logan Lucky, and Craig's other films.

    Than to line it up with the other Bond films.

    For me, that's how I feel it.
    It's just Craig's Film, not a James Bond film.
    There are definitely vibes from it regarding Craig. I've seen multiple posts stating that it's his best performance and I actually think it's his worst. In particular, once he returns to London. He's great as Bond in everything else leading up to that point. Then he becomes sorta weird throughout the rest.

    Yes, for me, it's also his worst, yes, worst than his performance in QoS (felt like Bourne to me).

    Here, in NTTD, he's almost acting like himself, like I keep finding myself of "where's Bond? This is not him?", and from that alone, I know it's going to be bad, and I'm not wrong.
    Again, this is Daniel Craig acting like Daniel Craig himself.

    In CR: I see Bond
    In QoS: I see Bourne
    In SF: I see Bond
    In SP: I see Craig taking on Fleming's Bond (SP would've ranked up to me higher if not for Madeleine Swann and the Bro-feld thing, both ruined the movie for me).

    In NTTD: I see Daniel Craig (nothing more, nothing less), just himself (and there's Madeleine Swann again).
  • edited August 2023 Posts: 6,709
    “In CR: I see Bond
    In QoS: I see Bourne
    In SF: I see Bond
    In SP: I see Craig taking on Fleming's Bond (SP would've ranked up to me higher if not for Madeleine Swann and the Bro-feld thing, both ruined the movie for me)”


    We feel the same way about this. Well put, @SIS_HQ

    I’ve watched NTTD again, still loathe it. It has a brilliant yet short first part, and then it all goes to hell. I fail to recognise Bond or Craig’s Bond from his return to London onwards. That interrogation scene is as awkward as Pierce’s Bond pretending to be in pain. Good actors can have lousy performances, and Craig is awful in the M’s office scene, and in the prision scene. And all that daddy Bond stuff…bah. And Bond and Madeleine felt so forced. Just awful. Between all of that and tsunami surfing I can’t decide which Bond is less Bond.
  • Last_Rat_StandingLast_Rat_Standing Long Neck Ice Cold Beer Never Broke My Heart
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    That's why I swapped NTTD with SP since aside Brofeld, it's the closest to classic Bond that a Craig film could be. While I love CR and SF and QOS was too underdeveloped for me to enjoy is my reasoning to put SP right in the middle.

    NTTD is the most polarizing film for me in any film I've watched. While there is some very good in it, the bad outweighs the good.
  • edited August 2023 Posts: 1,078
    I see bits of the Bond swagger (particularly in the SPECTRE party scenes), but the M scene, the Blofeld interrogation and the heartfelt speech to Maddy, I just see Craig acting as a character I don't recognise. All this, coupled with the 'kill everyone off' script, makes for a very strange entry into the series.
    I don't mind admitting that, by giving Bond a daughter and killing him off, they strayed too far from the source material and the original vision of the screen Bond for me to engage with it as a full-bloodied James Bond film.
    I have the movie on a USB stick. I've not bought the DVD or whatever, and the only spending I've done on NTTD was the tenner I spent on the soundtrack CD. Once I'd heard about the ending, I didn't go to see it at the pictures.
    The first Bond film I've not seen at the pictures since LALD when I was a kid.

    Edit - after the film came out and I came on here moaning about it, it really felt like I was in the minority. Now I realise I'm not, (especially reading the posts above). I think there were two or three very active members of this group that were on-board with the film at the time, and made it feel like the movie was almost universally accepted on here.
    Plus, I suppose the re-watchability factor kicks in as well. Lots have said it's not one of the most re-watchable Bond entries.
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    Well, it’s the first Bond film I have no desire od buying, and I had all of them on vhs, dvd and blu ray. And I have the Tashen book NTTD edition, and the soundtrack. Still, I have no desire, as of yet, to own the film.

    The last time I was so let down by a Bond film was with DUD…
  • Last_Rat_StandingLast_Rat_Standing Long Neck Ice Cold Beer Never Broke My Heart
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    Personally, I think that not killing Bond at the end would remedy any flaws that came before it.
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    Personally, I think that not killing Bond at the end would remedy any flaws that came before it.

    Nah, you’d still have daddy Bond, Felix’s death, Bond yelling at M that he is a drunk, Bond choking Blofeld out of the blue, stupid scooby gang scenes, a poorly written villain, Bond and Madeleine’s lack of chemistry,…
  • SIS_HQSIS_HQ At the Vauxhall Headquarters
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    Univex wrote: »
    Personally, I think that not killing Bond at the end would remedy any flaws that came before it.

    Nah, you’d still have daddy Bond, Felix’s death, Bond yelling at M that he is a drunk, Bond choking Blofeld out of the blue, stupid scooby gang scenes, a poorly written villain, Bond and Madeleine’s lack of chemistry,…

    Agreed on those, and don't even get me started on those unnecessary fan services.
  • Last_Rat_StandingLast_Rat_Standing Long Neck Ice Cold Beer Never Broke My Heart
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    Univex wrote: »
    Personally, I think that not killing Bond at the end would remedy any flaws that came before it.

    Nah, you’d still have daddy Bond, Felix’s death, Bond yelling at M that he is a drunk, Bond choking Blofeld out of the blue, stupid scooby gang scenes, a poorly written villain, Bond and Madeleine’s lack of chemistry,…

    The death of Felix bothered me. I would have been fine with the rest. The relationship between Bond and Mallory has always been tense going back to Skyfall
  • Junglist_1985Junglist_1985 Los Angeles
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    Right there with you on NTTD - while it has many great sequences, it feels quite like a Bond series spin-off starring Daniel Craig versus an actual EON Bond cannon film.

    For this reason alone I eventually moved Spectre above NTTD in my rankings.
  • Creasy47Creasy47 In Cuba with Natalya.Moderator
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    My appreciation for NTTD has slightly waned with every subsequent rewatch but I don't think it'll ever hit the lows of SP for me at least, which is a positive sign.
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    SP has one of the worst songs in the series and a poor colouring work by Hoytema (and I’m a fan). Oh, and brothergate. And a poor third act. But it is quintessential Bond, IMO, in all pther departments.
  • LucknFateLucknFate 007 In New York
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    Univex wrote: »
    SP has one of the worst songs in the series and a poor colouring work by Hoytema (and I’m a fan). Oh, and brothergate. And a poor third act. But it is quintessential Bond, IMO, in all pther departments.

    Spectre is a bad Bond movie. NTTD is just a bad movie.
  • edited August 2023 Posts: 2,161
    I see bits of the Bond swagger (particularly in the SPECTRE party scenes), but the M scene, the Blofeld interrogation and the heartfelt speech to Maddy, I just see Craig acting as a character I don't recognise. All this, coupled with the 'kill everyone off' script, makes for a very strange entry into the series.
    I don't mind admitting that, by giving Bond a daughter and killing him off, they strayed too far from the source material and the original vision of the screen Bond for me to engage with it as a full-bloodied James Bond film.

    The first Bond film I've not seen at the pictures since LALD when I was a kid.

    I can agree with much of this. Side note: I had not missed a new Bond film in a theatre (or drive-in) since TB (I was three when that came out, though I did see it paired with YOLT when that one was released, just as I had been taken to a GF/DN double billing the year before)), with the exceptions of OHMSS and TND.
  • Posts: 6,709
    LucknFate wrote: »
    Univex wrote: »
    SP has one of the worst songs in the series and a poor colouring work by Hoytema (and I’m a fan). Oh, and brothergate. And a poor third act. But it is quintessential Bond, IMO, in all pther departments.

    Spectre is a bad Bond movie. NTTD is just a bad movie.

    I agree.
    Birdleson wrote: »
    I see bits of the Bond swagger (particularly in the SPECTRE party scenes), but the M scene, the Blofeld interrogation and the heartfelt speech to Maddy, I just see Craig acting as a character I don't recognise. All this, coupled with the 'kill everyone off' script, makes for a very strange entry into the series.
    I don't mind admitting that, by giving Bond a daughter and killing him off, they strayed too far from the source material and the original vision of the screen Bond for me to engage with it as a full-bloodied James Bond film.

    The first Bond film I've not seen at the pictures since LALD when I was a kid.

    I can agree with much of this. Side note: I had not missed a new Bond film in a theatre (or drive-in) since TB (I was three when that came out, though I did see it paired with YOLT when that one was released, just as I had been taken to a GF/DN double billing the year before)), with the exceptions of OHMSS and TND.

    Wow, that’s quite the record! I’m jealous :)
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