Cary Joji Fukunaga - Appreciation Thread

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  • Creasy47Creasy47 In Cuba with Natalya.Moderator
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    Fincher still has Brad Pitt’s trust. After Gone Girl, he developed the sequel to World War Z which was ultimately cancelled by Paramount, but not because of him. And he has a new film coming for Netflix, produced through Plan B (Brad Pitt’s company) and starring Michael Fassbender and Tilda Swinton. It’s simply that the business for mid budget films, the kind that Fincher tends to favor, isn’t great at the moment. But he’s typically a “one for them, one for me” director with Mank being the one for “him”.

    Otherwise, Scorsese, Snyder, Rian Johnson, the Coens (including solo) or Ridley Scott are all developing projects for streaming, and all very much not cancelled.

    I'll always be upset we didn't get that World War Z sequel directed by him. What an insane experience that would've been.
  • LucknFateLucknFate 007 In New York
    edited June 2022 Posts: 1,649
    Weren't there images, and maybe reports, of Lea Seydoux crying on the Matera set in Italy for NTTD?

    Edit with link now: https://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-7508081/James-Bond-star-L-Seydoux-consoled-director-Cary-Fukunaga-set-No-Time-Die-Italy.html
  • fadetoblack7fadetoblack7 Chicago IL
    edited June 2022 Posts: 60
    LucknFate wrote: »
    Weren't there images, and maybe reports, of Lea Seydoux crying on the Matera set in Italy for NTTD?

    Edit with link now: https://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-7508081/James-Bond-star-L-Seydoux-consoled-director-Cary-Fukunaga-set-No-Time-Die-Italy.html

    She was probably just ‘in the moment’ after doing a take for the finale scene…that picture could’ve been taken immediately after he yelled cut
  • talos7talos7 New Orleans
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    LucknFate wrote: »
    Weren't there images, and maybe reports, of Lea Seydoux crying on the Matera set in Italy for NTTD?

    Edit with link now: https://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-7508081/James-Bond-star-L-Seydoux-consoled-director-Cary-Fukunaga-set-No-Time-Die-Italy.html

    She was probably just ‘in the moment’ after doing a take for the finale scene…that picture could’ve been taken immediately after he yelled cut

    I agree and don’t think he would have done anything untoward with alphas like Craig and Broccoli overseeing the production.

  • mtmmtm United Kingdom
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    David Fincher is pretty much cancelled. His last studio movie was in 2015. Mank was a Netflix production. He is just too expensive for the returns he brings in. Studios took heed to that eventually.

    Isn’t that also true of Will Ferrell? I’m sure I heard he was one of the least bankable stars of recent years.
  • peterpeter Toronto
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    Fincher has not been cancelled. He’s a living legend and one of the most respected people in the industry. He can do it all:

    Films, obviously.

    TV (House of Cards and Mindhunter)

    Animated short films (Bad Traveling)

    His films @Benjamin_Weekly69 ,and the genres he plays in, no longer fit the cinema paradigm as much anymore… if he did World War Z2, you’ll see a Fincher film in the cinema… his new film, The Killer, with Fassbender, may also see him back on the Big Screen… But generally, until cinemas recover from a worldwide pandemic, the Big Screen films will be FF and Marvel and DC and Bond and Indy and SW, and so on…

    There will be recovery one day. And I think with recovery, will be balance.
  • edited June 2022 Posts: 784
    peter wrote: »
    Fincher has not been cancelled. He’s a living legend and one of the most respected people in the industry. He can do it all:

    Films, obviously.

    TV (House of Cards and Mindhunter)

    Animated short films (Bad Traveling)

    His films @Benjamin_Weekly69 ,and the genres he plays in, no longer fit the cinema paradigm as much anymore… if he did World War Z2, you’ll see a Fincher film in the cinema… his new film, The Killer, with Fassbender, may also see him back on the Big Screen… But generally, until cinemas recover from a worldwide pandemic, the Big Screen films will be FF and Marvel and DC and Bond and Indy and SW, and so on…

    There will be recovery one day. And I think with recovery, will be balance.

    I honestly don’t think cinema going will recover to previous levels until we get a well done contemporary cult comedy that is offensive, outrageous and over the the top like Scary Movie, American Pie, Team America or The Dictator. Until then it’s going to be children/family/superheroes/horror/drama/remakes.

    Right now films are as if the internet and cultural desensitisation never happened. Most people between 20-50 are utterly bored with the quality of the current slate. There has to be pop culture relevance and a fear of missing out to attract movie goers. Pretentious art cinema and tedious drama are wrong ideals to pursue.
  • mtmmtm United Kingdom
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    peter wrote: »
    Fincher has not been cancelled. He’s a living legend and one of the most respected people in the industry. He can do it all:

    Films, obviously.

    TV (House of Cards and Mindhunter)

    Animated short films (Bad Traveling)

    His films @Benjamin_Weekly69 ,and the genres he plays in, no longer fit the cinema paradigm as much anymore… if he did World War Z2, you’ll see a Fincher film in the cinema… his new film, The Killer, with Fassbender, may also see him back on the Big Screen… But generally, until cinemas recover from a worldwide pandemic, the Big Screen films will be FF and Marvel and DC and Bond and Indy and SW, and so on…

    There will be recovery one day. And I think with recovery, will be balance.

    Yeah I think ‘cancelled’ is the wrong term; it’s just more an issue of profitability, which I guess is how most stars fade! :)
  • Red_SnowRed_Snow Australia
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    LucknFate wrote: »
    Weren't there images, and maybe reports, of Lea Seydoux crying on the Matera set in Italy for NTTD?

    Edit with link now: https://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-7508081/James-Bond-star-L-Seydoux-consoled-director-Cary-Fukunaga-set-No-Time-Die-Italy.html

    She was probably just ‘in the moment’ after doing a take for the finale scene…that picture could’ve been taken immediately after he yelled cut

    I don't think those photo's relate to any of the accusations, Lea and Cary seemed to have a fairly good rapport from the behind the scenes pics and videos we've seen of them.

    However, quite a few of the insta stories Cary shared on his public account correspond to the times and locations mentioned in the original posts by the women who accused him of 'grooming'.
  • HildebrandRarityHildebrandRarity Centre international d'assistance aux personnes déplacées, Paris, France
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    When I mentioned Fincher as someone who couldn't get a job if only his methods mattered, it wasn't because he faces any accusations, gets temperamental or is ostracized from the industry. It's mostly because he's unlikely to win any major award. He's meticulous, asks for many takes, which results in extra time, and his crew get tired and resentful of him, sharing stories with their colleagues. And as the guilds that regroup these jobs amount for a large share of the people who pick the Oscars, his best films are often mostly ignored. The Social Network for instance lost in most categories opposite A King's Speech. Similarly, Stanley Kubrick (who tended to be quite cruel and abusive) ultimately only won one Oscar, for Best Special Effects. Due to his reputation that had spread in the guilds, people had a grudge against him.

    I must also point out that Fincher worked on The Social Network, with producer Scott Rudin, who was extremely mercurial, and had violent outbursts towards his assistants, which were common knowledge among the industry. Last year, THR put together a piece on him, and he's currently "stepping back" from any project. Rudin also had a track record with awards (10 nominations at the Oscars for Best Film, one win) which doesn't match the quality of the films he was involved with.
  • edited June 2022 Posts: 784
    Ticket sales have nothing to do with awards anymore. I would actually argue that no one under 50 cares about awards, and interest in the entire medium is waning.

    The pretentious people making up the film ecosystem, who would have these directors out of work, are the ones struggling to garner audiences.

    Hating certain behaviours is obviously a mask for controlling content and opportunity, which is what Tarantino alluded to in his last film.

    If you cannot navigate social media or get access to traditional institutions you are done for, which is why most movies suck nowadays.
  • TripAcesTripAces Universal Exports
    edited June 2022 Posts: 4,585
    Ticket sales have nothing to do with awards anymore. I would actually argue that no one under 50 cares about awards, and interest in the entire medium is waning.

    The pretentious people making up the film ecosystem, who would have these directors out of work, are the ones struggling to garner audiences.

    Hating certain behaviours is obviously a mask for controlling content and opportunity, which is what Tarantino alluded to in his last film.

    If you cannot navigate social media or get access to traditional institutions you are done for, which is why most movies suck nowadays.

    I think this is what plagued Steven Soderbergh's Logan Lucky, a really good film with an exceptional cast that...tanked at the box office. Soderbergh wanted complete control, including the marketing of the film. Truth was, Soderbergh knew nothing about marketing or getting a film pushed into the public arena. Craig did his part, appearing on Colbert, but the big news was his announcement that he was returning as Bond--not Logan Lucky. Whooops.

    In short, Logan Lucky is a cautionary tale about a great director's disdain for the traditional studio model and how that disdain led him down the wrong path.
  • edited June 2022 Posts: 784
    I haven’t seen that film. And it doesn’t even look that appealing. Concept is just as important as execution and marketing.
  • ContrabandContraband Sweden
    edited June 2022 Posts: 3,022
    LucknFate wrote: »
    Weren't there images, and maybe reports, of Lea Seydoux crying on the Matera set in Italy for NTTD?

    Edit with link now: https://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-7508081/James-Bond-star-L-Seydoux-consoled-director-Cary-Fukunaga-set-No-Time-Die-Italy.html

    I have at least 15 more photos from that rocky set in Maratea with Lea and Cary talking, she's being 'upset', Cary prepping her for the crying scene, walking her over to the camera set-up, she's smiling, shooting the scene, etc..
  • edited June 2022 Posts: 628
    I don't know enough about his career pre-Bond to judge, but I think that LOGAN LUCKY is easily the best thing Craig did during his tenure with EON. Sure, it flopped, but people should check it out anyway.

    I wish Soderbergh would direct a Bond film.
  • TripAcesTripAces Universal Exports
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    Escalus5 wrote: »
    I don't know enough about his career pre-Bond to judge, but I think that LOGAN LUCKY is easily the best thing Craig did during his tenure with EON. Sure, it flopped, but people should check it out anyway.

    I wish Soderbergh would direct a Bond film.

    Soderbergh is a fantastic director who sometimes experiments too much for the sake of experimentation, and the results are hit/miss. I mean., here's a guy who did a whole film on his iPhone. That said, when he wants to go all in on commercial work, he's very good. I liked Logan Lucky very much and bawled like a baby at "that scene."
  • Oceans 11 and 12 were great!
  • mtmmtm United Kingdom
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    I enjoyed Logan Lucky very much too.
    Escalus5 wrote: »
    I don't know enough about his career pre-Bond to judge, but I think that LOGAN LUCKY is easily the best thing Craig did during his tenure with EON. Sure, it flopped, but people should check it out anyway.

    I'd say Knives Out is pretty cracking too.
  • fadetoblack7fadetoblack7 Chicago IL
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    Logan Lucky is so underrated. It’s funny, but not in the kind of way where you’re laughing out loud all the way through. Its humor is quite subtle, and the script is so well written.
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    Soderbergh already has a terrific Bondian action- thriller among his credits: HAYWIRE.
  • Agent_Zero_OneAgent_Zero_One Ireland
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    Oceans 11 and 12 were great!
    12 gets a bad wrap, I thought it was really fun.
  • MaxCasinoMaxCasino United States
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  • mtmmtm United Kingdom
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    Oh blimey, that's a bit of a shocker.
  • SIS_HQSIS_HQ At the Vauxhall Headquarters
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    MaxCasino wrote: »

    Remember Alanis Morisette's line all of a sudden: "It's ironic, don't you think?"
  • VenutiusVenutius Yorkshire
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    For Haggis to do this while he's already under investigation for several similar incidents in the US, suggests a level of recidivist depravity that's deeply worrying. Assuming it's all true and not Scientologists setting him up for payback because he quit and spilled the beans on them, obvs!
  • Stamper wrote: »
    Depp is not guilty of anything he is a victim. Ratner though is a creep.

    I disagree but let's see what the court decides. I think think Amber Heard he issues but other people have backed her claims uom
    He's obviously made some poor choices in his social life but it doesn't sound like he's sunk to the level of Johnny Depp or Brett Ratner etc.

    I don't think I need to express in detail how sideways it is to compare the former to the latter, do I?

    Yes you do. Just because Depp was acquitted it doesnt mean he knows how to treat women with respect.
  • HildebrandRarityHildebrandRarity Centre international d'assistance aux personnes déplacées, Paris, France
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    Steven Soderbergh acknowledges he would be a poor fit for big films, including Bond, because he doesn't work with a storyboard, which is compulsory to map out big action sequences.

    Paul Haggis has apparently some kind of reputation for being pushy with women that has nothing to do with scientology sympathizers. That doesn't change anything to the work he's accomplished against the CoS, but I wouldn't be shocked if the arrest held any water.
    By arresting someone such as Paul Haggis, who was just passing there a couple of weeks, the Italian police is sure to make the news worldwide. Not the big titles, but it will get some exposure. If they're wrong, the damages done to their reputation would be quite important. So, it's unlikely that they arrested him just because of a random accusation. They definitely considered the case they had and checked up a few things, all the more because he's a Canadian citizen with some level of fame.
  • edited June 2022 Posts: 4,162
    TripAces wrote: »
    Escalus5 wrote: »
    I don't know enough about his career pre-Bond to judge, but I think that LOGAN LUCKY is easily the best thing Craig did during his tenure with EON. Sure, it flopped, but people should check it out anyway.

    I wish Soderbergh would direct a Bond film.

    Soderbergh is a fantastic director who sometimes experiments too much for the sake of experimentation, and the results are hit/miss. I mean., here's a guy who did a whole film on his iPhone. That said, when he wants to go all in on commercial work, he's very good. I liked Logan Lucky very much and bawled like a baby at "that scene."

    I think it'd play out like a Danny Boyle situation all over again. I doubt he'd want to do it. I'm a big fan of his work though, particularly Side Effects and Unsane.
  • edited September 2022 Posts: 784
    First season of True Detective was brilliant. But his Bond film turned out to be horse mod edit.
  • peterpeter Toronto
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    @ByRoyalDecree

    I'd love to read your scripts. By the sounds of your opinions, you're a genius who can set the film industry straight.

    I must be a true idiot in your eyes: I loved Skyfall and NTTD.
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