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  • FoxRoxFoxRox
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    Still hoping for Risico or The Property of a Lady most. If QOS and OP can get a film title, I don’t see why the rest of Fleming’s work can’t.
  • Jordo007Jordo007 Merseyside
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    FoxRox wrote: »
    Still hoping for Risico or The Property of a Lady most. If QOS and OP can get a film title, I don’t see why the rest of Fleming’s work can’t.

    I think given NTTD's plot and characters I'm surprised that wasn't POAL wasn't chosen or maybe even a OHMSS / YOLT chapter title
  • FoxRoxFoxRox
    Posts: 12,521
    Jordo007 wrote: »
    FoxRox wrote: »
    Still hoping for Risico or The Property of a Lady most. If QOS and OP can get a film title, I don’t see why the rest of Fleming’s work can’t.

    I think given NTTD's plot and characters I'm surprised that wasn't POAL wasn't chosen or maybe even a OHMSS / YOLT chapter title

    The chapter title from Fleming I think would make for the coolest film title is "The Silver Phantom."
  • mtmmtm United Kingdom
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    One I thought of recently is the actual real motto of SIS (MI6), which means ‘always secret’. That’s a bit naff, but the actual Latin version they use is quite serious-sounding and I think could work:
    SEMPER OCCULTUS

    I kind of like it.
  • 9IW9IW
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    Swann Song
  • MajorDSmytheMajorDSmythe "I tolerate this century, but I don't enjoy it."Moderator
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    Someone else brought it up in another thread, but it's a pity that HERACLES can't be used. It sounds like an old school spy thriller.
  • sandbagger1sandbagger1 Sussex
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    mtm wrote: »
    One I thought of recently is the actual real motto of SIS (MI6), which means ‘always secret’. That’s a bit naff, but the actual Latin version they use is quite serious-sounding and I think could work:
    SEMPER OCCULTUS

    I kind of like it.
    Yes, that does sound good. Really quite classy.

    Of course there's a strong chance the title would be vetoed due to concern that an American audience might be put off by something that sounds foreign. The producers never seem to give the US the benefit of the doubt in these things - it would probably be renamed something terribly generic with 'kill' or 'death' in the title.
  • MalloryMallory
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    MajorDSmythe wrote: »
    Someone else brought it up in another thread, but it's a pity that HERACLES can't be used. It sounds like an old school spy thriller.

    The Heracles Experiment could’ve worked instead of NTTD
  • mtmmtm United Kingdom
    Posts: 16,598
    sandbagger1 wrote: »
    mtm wrote: »
    One I thought of recently is the actual real motto of SIS (MI6), which means ‘always secret’. That’s a bit naff, but the actual Latin version they use is quite serious-sounding and I think could work:
    SEMPER OCCULTUS

    I kind of like it.
    Yes, that does sound good. Really quite classy.

    Of course there's a strong chance the title would be vetoed due to concern that an American audience might be put off by something that sounds foreign. The producers never seem to give the US the benefit of the doubt in these things - it would probably be renamed something terribly generic with 'kill' or 'death' in the title.

    Yes you’re probably right, it rather rules out my favourite title of all which is Deaver’s CARTE BLANCHE. It’s perfectly Bondy: it evokes the continent, sophistication, even gambling with cards; plus it actually describes Bond’s licence to kill. But it doesn’t translate, so I guess they wouldn’t use it.

    Someone in the previous version of this thread suggested PERCHANCE TO DIE, which I thought was one of the better ‘die’ suggestions.
  • sandbagger1sandbagger1 Sussex
    edited October 2021 Posts: 950
    mtm wrote: »
    sandbagger1 wrote: »
    mtm wrote: »
    One I thought of recently is the actual real motto of SIS (MI6), which means ‘always secret’. That’s a bit naff, but the actual Latin version they use is quite serious-sounding and I think could work:
    SEMPER OCCULTUS

    I kind of like it.
    Yes, that does sound good. Really quite classy.

    Of course there's a strong chance the title would be vetoed due to concern that an American audience might be put off by something that sounds foreign. The producers never seem to give the US the benefit of the doubt in these things - it would probably be renamed something terribly generic with 'kill' or 'death' in the title.

    Yes you’re probably right, it rather rules out my favourite title of all which is Deaver’s CARTE BLANCHE. It’s perfectly Bondy: it evokes the continent, sophistication, even gambling with cards; plus it actually describes Bond’s licence to kill. But it doesn’t translate, so I guess they wouldn’t use it.

    Someone in the previous version of this thread suggested PERCHANCE TO DIE, which I thought was one of the better ‘die’ suggestions.

    Yeah, Carte Blanche is also good, for all the reasons you've said.
    I guess if we're being cynical (and hey, that's where I live), and have our eyes on the US market, sticking 'American' in the title might be the way to go. "American Kill"? Completely generic, but probably marketable.
  • StirredNotShakenStirredNotShaken Toronto
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    MajorDSmythe wrote: »
    Someone else brought it up in another thread, but it's a pity that HERACLES can't be used. It sounds like an old school spy thriller.

    I wouldn't look at a film in, say, 20 years being called Heracles as any less egregious of an easter egg as, say, Milton Krest showing up in LTK having been taken from The Hildebrand Rarity 25 years later.
  • mtmmtm United Kingdom
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    Out of interest, was ‘Casino Royale’ translated for other markets? I presume that’s one of the few that didn’t need to be translated to other languages (the ones that use the Latin alphabet anyway!). ‘Spectre’ too maybe?
  • thelivingroyalethelivingroyale
    edited October 2021 Posts: 12,837
    I hope they don’t use a Fleming title for the sake of it, personally. None of the remaining ones really appeal to me. Property of a Lady is okay I guess, and Risico could work. But The Hilderbrand Rarity and 007 in New York would be awful titles for a film imo. I’m still not happy about them using Quantum of Solace.

    Some of his chapter titles would be cool though. I do like The Death Collector. And I think Shatterhand has a nice, old school GF esque vibe about it, could suit a more “classic” reboot.

    It’s a shame they’ll probably never use any of the continuation novel titles. I wouldn’t want to see adaptations, but I do really like Carte Blanche and Devil May Care as titles.
  • SeveSeve The island of Lemoy
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    They will call it "Time To Die"

    Only this time he won't

    The audience won't be expecting that!
  • 9IW9IW
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    The Bond Identity
  • SeveSeve The island of Lemoy
    Posts: 440
    9IW wrote: »
    The Bond Identity

    IMO we just completed a five film cycle of the Bond Identity (Crisis), time for a change
  • 9IW9IW
    Posts: 59
    Seve wrote: »
    9IW wrote: »
    The Bond Identity

    IMO we just completed a five film cycle of the Bond Identity (Crisis), time for a change

    The British Empire Strikes Back?

  • SeveSeve The island of Lemoy
    edited October 2021 Posts: 440
    James Bond Returns

    James Bond Rises

    James Bond Resurrection

    James Bond Salvation

    Finding James Bond

    Forgetting James Bond

    James Bond versus The Saint

    James Bond 1984
  • mtmmtm United Kingdom
    edited October 2021 Posts: 16,598
    I suggest it half in jest, but part of me still thinks it would actually be a pretty good title, and at this point when the movie series has been running way longer than the novels ever did, why not use itself for inspiration? :)
    IAN FLEMING'S JAMES BOND 007 IN

    NAMES ARE FOR TOMBSTONES
  • SeveSeve The island of Lemoy
    edited October 2021 Posts: 440
    Ok now I'm going to be serious for a moment

    The name of Fleming's home in Jamaica made a good Bond movie title, I've read somewhere that he also had a yacht with an interesting name, which I think would also be a good movie title

    "Shamelady"

    Apparently "Shame Lady" is another name for the plant "mimosa pudica" which was suggested to Fleming in 1952 for Goldeneye by his wife, Ann Rothermere.

    It's already been used as the title of an obscure, unofficial, fan movie, created by a fellow called Eric Suassine, which even has a imdb page. However he can have no legal rights to the name, so EON could still use it.

    On the other hand there is also a book by Stephen Coulter (aka James Mayo), written as a vehicle for his own fictional hero, Charles Hood, which could potentially pose more of a legal problem.

    Fleming bought a former donkey racetrack on Oracabessa bay on the northern coastline of Jamaica in 1946 and set about building his home on the edge of a cliff overlooking a private beach which he named Goldeneye. The three bedroom structure was built from Fleming's sketch, fitted with wooden jalousie windows and a swimming pool.

    There are several theories as to the names origin, the one I find most credible being that in came from Operation Goldeneye, the allied plan to defend Gibraltar, which he worked on in 1940.

    The property now operates as Goldeneye Hotel and Resort, consisting of Fleming's main house and several cottages. It is adjacent to James Bond Beach.

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  • mtmmtm United Kingdom
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    Yes Raymond Benson was quite keen on Shamelady too (did he call Bond's Jamaican house that in his books?) - I'm surprised he didn't use it as a title.
  • RichardTheBruceRichardTheBruce I'm motivated by my Duty.
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    There was this album title by Henry Kaiser.

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  • StirredNotShakenStirredNotShaken Toronto
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    I'm still advocating for LIVE AND LET DIE. And yes, if they were to do that, they should ABSOLUTELY reuse the theme song.
  • DenbighDenbigh UK
    edited October 2021 Posts: 5,970
    I don't think they would or should reuse old titles, even if they were to somewhat reuse the source material. I think it would just step on the toes of what has come before and would make talking about each film extremely tedious.
  • EinoRistoSiniahoEinoRistoSiniaho Oulu, Finland
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    Since EON now own everything McClory held so how about James Bond of the Secret Service? Or they could use that "parachute on top of Statue of Liberty and have sharks with frickin' lasers on their heads in NYC sewers" -script for 007 in New York. I think they might even consider that title if NTTD underperforms in the U.S.
  • Herr_StockmannHerr_Stockmann
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    mtm wrote: »
    Yes Raymond Benson was quite keen on Shamelady too (did he call Bond's Jamaican house that in his books?) - I'm surprised he didn't use it as a title.
    That reminds me that Horowitz also used the name for a villa in Forever and a Day. It could work, even though it could have better fit for Craig, in the continuity of Skyfall and Spectre.
  • mtmmtm United Kingdom
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    On the same plant name basis, I’ve always thought TIGERLILLY sounds quite Fleming-ish.
  • sandbagger1sandbagger1 Sussex
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    mtm wrote: »
    On the same plant name basis, I’ve always thought TIGERLILLY sounds quite Fleming-ish.

    It's also very Rupert the Bear, though.
  • mtmmtm United Kingdom
    edited October 2021 Posts: 16,598
    Heh! I guess there is that.

    A bit like how Shatterhand is apparently a character from German Wild West books or something.
  • Risico007Risico007
    edited October 2021 Posts: 9,858
    Jordo007 wrote: »
    I thought it was interesting that Fukunaga mentioned in an interview(I think it was with Collider) that they looked at unused Fleming titles and chapter titles. Maybe they'll do that for Bond 26

    Clearly not hard enough...

    As the following Fleming titles would of been perfect for Bond 25

    The Garden of Death
    All the Time in the World...


    but the past is the past


    It depends on tone

    If we get a fun Brosnan light popcorn affair
    ShameLady
    Shatterhand
    Death to Spies (though I kind of think that will be the title of the new novel from Horrowitz)
    Smersh

    of course if they are going they are going to continue with Fleming styled plots

    Risico
    The Hildebrand Rarity
    The Property of a Lady
    The Silver Phantom
    Midnight Among the Worms\
    Death is So permanent
    A Whisper of Love A whisper of Hate

    etc
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