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Would it have been cool or lame if Madeline shot at him, nothing happened, and Safin said “you’ve had your six”?
I loved that movie, I always forget Wright is in that. I thought Magnussen was hilarious in it. He's also pretty sinister yet funny in The Oath.
I wondered the same and looked for it in a repeat viewing. Her clip is empty. You can hear the slide.
Bond: ... You're from Milwaukee
Felix: Am I? I thought I made that up ...
I think you're right ...
I've heard this many times now but I didnt't notice it in the movie.
where does it say that the nanobots would spread from person to person even if it's not the target's dna? did I miss something?
in the scene with Madeleine and Bond the virus for Blofeld was "fresh" on her hands, wasn't it? that's why they focused on Bond's touch of her wrist.
You've answered your own question. That's exactly the how and the why (movie magic and logistics aside) it would pass from person to person because it did so from Madeleine to Bond for Blofeld. There's then some exposition after that with Q that goes into more depth.
but these are two different things here - yes, Waldo optimized the virus for targeting also relatives, that's clear (that's also the reason why all the relatives die at the funeral).
That's exactly my question. I am not sure if Madeleine could have infected Bond with Blofelds nanobots e.g. 2 months later. That's how I interpeted the scene with Bond touching her wrist. She still has the "virus" on her hands, that's why she's infectious for Bond.
Is that really so complicated?
I think I get what you mean here... Are you asking if the nanobots would expire after a certain time?
Q explains that they're eternal and "they're not just for Christmas." The idea being that both Madeleine and Bond are both permanently infected with the nanobots that target Blofeld's DNA since they have them in their blood. They don't expire. Once they're in you, they're there and would pass from person to person.
The implication of that means the whole human race at some point get the Blofeld nanobots. That means if Blofeld had any other relatives that we don't know about then at some point someone would inadvertently kill them.
There's a lot of holes. Try not to worry your head on them too much :).
I do - perhaps not in the immediate movie though you could extend it there certainly. But more in the sense of implications for the future of the human race depending on how "accurate" those nanobots are. That bit wasn't too well thought out.
Again, with all stories... Suspension of disbelief.
If Bond were to survive NTTD and live in exile, he might get sick, a doctor touches him, flies to Norway, touches a flight attendant, who touches a tourist, who touches a hotel employee, who touches a restaurant employee, who serves Madeleine at their restaurant, etc etc etc.
Once Madeleine sprayed herself with the perfume, the "Oberhauser/Blofeld-DNA-coded-nanobots" were with her for life.
EDIT: Exactly @NickTwentyTwo
Yes, I know they're eternal. I literally said that to answer @HerrBond 's question. My pointing out that I saw holes was in reference to the whole plot of the nanobots as a device. That was literally because of the science of it e.g. the way DNA works and what they were positing and that's why you (or perhaps I in this case) have to suspend disbelief.
Maybe I don't know enough about science to be bothered by this. :)) Ignorance is bliss!
The internal logic of the film was perfectly adequate, I thought.
I think that's what I'm getting at :). Thank you :D.
No. I don't think so. Not with how it was presented in the film. In other words, take it at face value. IIRC at where that happens in the film his concern was the boats closing in and getting away with Heracles. I think he genuinely believed he might get out before the missiles reached him (until it all goes south for him, obviously)
My thought over Heracles was more along the lines of that we all share common DNA with each other... Something ridiculous like 99.9% with the remaining 0.01% defining us as unique (which is still an unfathomable amount of possibilities of course)...
But if they are programming nanobots to attach to DNA of people who are designated, specific targets, then why is it also latching onto their families and killing them too? It's a have your cake and eat it too scenario as they are shown sequencing the entire strand of one person's DNA (Valdo with Bond's toothbrush, etc). But you then have scenes that show close relatives dropping like flies at funerals where they will definitely share common traits with the designated target but would still have enough unique traits to be different... E.g. Mathilde is both Bond and Madeleine's child. On the surface level we're told that Mathilde has Bond's eyes, not Madeleine's... so if that vial is coded based on Madeleine alone... What about her father's genes that Mathilde also inherited? Surely that means she is no longer threatened by the nanobots because it would include enough diversity in her gene pool via Bond.
Which then poses the question... Does this mean that there's a "fault" in how accurate Heracles is and does that then mean there would be implications for the future. Is Heracles 99.999% accurate or is it 100% accurate? I feel like it wasn't intended to kill family members yet it did.
Also lets not go into genetic mutations (blue eyes being one of them) and other mutations that can occur over the years. I'm guessing on the collection date of that DNA they may no longer be viable?
Someone far, far, far smarter than me and may layman's term brain may be able to explain it or alternatively I missed where they explain that in greater detail in the movie. I hope this explains the gist of what I'm thinking well enough though :).
I get why Safin would be motivated by revenge against SPECTRE, but beyond that in relation to Heracles I'm not so sure ... since it could so easily get out of hand. Is there some Nazi-like racist ideology behind it all. Or something even more apocalyptic from which Safin would be protected on his island base? And just who is on those boats racing to the island to pick up the consignment of Heracles. Are they representatives of Safin? Perhaps a third-party country?
And how did Safin become so powerful anyway?
Well, he and Nomi saw their plans for targeting entire countries' worth of people: "he'll kill millions" she says (just like Stacey Sutton! :) ).
So yeah, I think he was well aware that millions of people would die, and once the cork was out of the bottle and this tech was on the black market that there's no way of putting it back in again, and it would quite possibly lead to the end of the human race. So the urgency is there and he's well aware of it.
Just like God gives life but then it’s up to the individuals to decide what to do with it, Safin gives the tool to reshape or even destroy the world but it’s up to others to decide how.
That’s fascinating and quite scary.
In addition, there is the poison which they took pains to explain was not only eternal but people are not safe if their DNA is related at all because instead passes through everybody else safely, continually passed on. Therefore Bond could not risk touching anybody, even doctors who worked on him (I know some fans still believe medical help could get to him on time, but I don't) ... because then it could be passed on and on through thousands of people safely - and then finally one of those carriers touches Madeleine or Mathilde innocently and they die. He literally could not leave the island and keep Madeleine or his daughter safe.
Bond ends with a truly noble, heroic ending that is fitting for this particular Bond. That matters to me. It is not an ending that would work with any other prior Bond, and there is no need for it to happen again. They chose the right actor's story arc to tell this one. And it is well done (overall, I am relieved at how very well executed this story is). And I love the very final scene; beautiful and appropriate.
He set up a bold coup against SPECTRE, killing all the high-ranking executives, and causing all the low-ranking members (like Primo) to rally to his authority. He recovered the facility his family was in charge of before Blofeld and White had them all killed, and he's applying Valdo's invention to the plant-based poisons developed in the facility.