NO TIME TO DIE - Questions Thread

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  • ImpertinentGoonImpertinentGoon Everybody needs a hobby.
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    Gettler wrote: »
    matt_u wrote: »
    I haven't rewatched SPECTRE since the day before the NTTD premiere (can you blame me?) but something I've thought of during the latter film EVERY time but chronically forgot about by the time I was back on the forums two hours later is, are any of the SPECTRE agents at the Cuba meeting ones that we saw in Italy during SPECTRE? Would be a nice touch if they happened to get any of those background actors back.

    There are a couple. Dr. Vogel and a an oriental guy were in Rome as well.

    I also think the man carrying Blofeld's eyeball was the Spectre agent who followed Q in the tram leaving the Hoffler Clinic.

    No, that was Detlef Bothe. He isn't in NTTD. There's a thing with bald SPECTRE guys, though..

    One of the SPECTRE people - the Asian man with the long grey hair - in NTTD is played by Clem So, who also appeared in Skyfall (apparently in the Macau casino) and in SPECTRE (at the meeting) and whose brother, Tom So, played Fukutu, one of the players in the poker game in Casino Royale. I think it is unclear whether Clem is also supposed to portray Fukutu. He isn't credited as such.
  • matt_umatt_u better known as Mr. Roark
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    How was Safin capable of supplying the DNA poison to the MI6 if SPECTRE was still controlling his family island and facilities? The film makes it clear that the poison is produced there and the way SPECTRE members die is the same as Blofeld's.
  • BondAficionadoBondAficionado Former IMDBer
    edited October 2021 Posts: 1,889
    matt_u wrote: »
    How was Safin capable of supplying the DNA poison to the MI6 if SPECTRE was still controlling his family island and facilities? The film makes it clear that the poison is produced there and the way SPECTRE members die is the same as Blofeld's.

    I assumed that Safin had already taken back control of Poison Island sometime between the Matera scene and the lab infiltration. So I don't think it was just before killing Blofeld because of the tight timeframe. Although we can see Safin's workers decorating the place so the argument can be made that it was extremely recent that he moved in. Those before/after satellite images M is shown might also support that theory. Although when Madeleine was showing Bond the island on her father's map does she not say that it's Safin's again? But how would she know is the other question.
  • DenbighDenbigh UK
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    I wish Detlef Bothe had a bigger role in Spectre.
  • NickTwentyTwoNickTwentyTwo Vancouver, BC, Canada
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    He was eerie. I don't think they killed him off in Spectre, he could easily have returned as one of the henchmen carrying Blofeld's eyeball around in NTTD.
  • matt_u wrote: »
    How was Safin capable of supplying the DNA poison to the MI6 if SPECTRE was still controlling his family island and facilities? The film makes it clear that the poison is produced there and the way SPECTRE members die is the same as Blofeld's.

    I assumed that Safin had already taken back control of Poison Island sometime between the Matera scene and the lab infiltration. So I don't think it was just before killing Blofeld because of the tight timeframe. Although we can see Safin's workers decorating the place so the argument can be made that it was extremely recent that he moved in. Those before/after satellite images M is shown might also support that theory. Although when Madeleine was showing Bond the island on her father's map does she not say that it's Safin's again? But how would she know is the other question.

    She doesn't say it. Bond does when he's taking the picture of the island. Something along the lines of Safin took it back after Blofeld took it from him. But he's just assuming correctly himself at that point.
  • Posts: 2,402
    Can someone tell me what songs are playing:

    - In the house in Norway at the beginning
    - As Bond drives past Nomi for the first time, which we hear bleed into the soundtrack for just a few moments
    - In the club in Jamaica
    - In Cuba when Bond first arrives and meets Paloma

    As well as what the children's TV program is that makes an appearance during the return to Norway? I know these have all been discussed on the forums before, but between the shoddy search function and Google not being helpful at all, I can't find any of it.
  • FeyadorFeyador Montreal, Canada
    edited October 2021 Posts: 735
    "In the house in Norway at the beginning?"

    Dalida's 'Dans la ville endormie':



    You can find the lyrics in English but it's very much in the spirit of the film. And as the style of the video makes clear, it might have been a Bond theme tune itself ...
  • Posts: 5,994
    The first song is "Dans la Ville endormie", written by William Sheller and sung by Dalida.
  • RichardTheBruceRichardTheBruce I'm motivated by my Duty.
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    @StirredNotShaken I'm updating a related thread that can further assist.

    https://www.mi6community.com/discussion/17816/existing-songs-as-part-of-bond-soundtracks#latest

    Many of the tracks are collected on this YouTube list.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v84qJGtF7VU&list=PLDisKgcnAC4T7VHoc9Hg0lC5rfGPpz9E1


    Some of the entertaining inclusions for me below.

    Incacho (Royal Anthem)” - Yma Sumac, Moisés Vivanco and his Peruvians (Meises Vivance), 1954.



    Cumbia de Buenaventura” - La Sonora Matancera (Emilio Jury Mova), 1965.



    La Mulata Rumbera” - Cuban Jazz Legends feat. Peruchin Nieto, Tata Güines, Changuito (Ale Janero Rodriguez & Sunshine), 2010.



    Dónde estabas tú?” - Ernestro Duarte Brito, 1951.


  • marcmarc Universal Exports
    edited October 2021 Posts: 2,610
    As well as what the children's TV program is that makes an appearance during the return to Norway? I know these have all been discussed on the forums before, but between the shoddy search function and Google not being helpful at all, I can't find any of it.
    Someone here had mentioned that the Norwegian TV character is called Fantorangen (something like Elephant Orange):

    https://norwaytoday.info/culture/norwegian-childrens-tv-character-fantorangen-makes-a-cameo-in-the-new-james-bond-movie/
  • edited November 2021 Posts: 440
    Not sure that any of the Craig Bond films are actually "realistic" because it's kind of impossible for the very premise of the film James Bond to be totally realistic.

    But the Craig ones are also definitely aren't fantasy either, more a kind of a heightened version of reality.
  • Posts: 5,994
    Gerard wrote: »
    The first song is "Dans la Ville endormie", written by William Sheller and sung by Dalida.

    Later adapted into english under the title "My Year is a Day" by Les Irrésistibles :

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    Is Primo's "eye" CGI? I'm asking this because the actor seems not to have a prosthetic in the set pictures, and it would figure out as he is involved in lots of action, that he did it all with both his full eyesight.
  • ImpertinentGoonImpertinentGoon Everybody needs a hobby.
    edited November 2021 Posts: 1,351
    Don't know who is reading which threads, so here is something from @antovolk in the NTTD production thread, which may answer a couple of questions:
    antovolk wrote: »
    Pretty incredible attention to detail in the scene where Madeleine tells Bond about Safin - the newspaper article she shows him about the family being poisoned is written in genuine Russian and has a ton of actual backstory details.


    SUSPICIOUS DEATH OF KAZAN-BASED PHARMACEUTICAL ENTREPRENEUR
    Kazan-based entrepreneur Gostan Safin and members of his family were suddenly afflicted by a mysterious illness during their time at the family's private resort on the Kuril islands. Initially, doctors suspected that the cause of the illness was severe food poisoning.

    In a press statement released by representatives of the pharmaceutical billionaire, it was stated that Safin, 54, his wife Maria, 41, daughter Irina and three sons: Vadim, 22, Ilnaz, 18 and Lyutsifer, 16, were afflicted by a mysterious illness while spending time at their private family estate, located on one of the unnamed Kuril islands.

    The whole family was urgently brought by helicopter to a private hospital in the town of Severo-Kurilsk. This hospital was founded by Safin himself and is owned by his pharmaceutical conglomerate. Despite the best efforts by the doctors and nurses, Gostan, his wife and daughter soon passed away in the hospital as a result of the mysterious poisoning.

    Doctor Zorin from the Kiln Institute in Severo-Kurilsk confirmed in a press statement that following a pathoanatomical analysis, the cause of death of Mr. Safin, his wife, daughter and two elder sons, is poisoning by botulism, from a toxin of vegetative origin. The youngest son of Safin, Lyutsifer, the only member of the family who remains alive, is currently in a coma. Doctors believe his condition is otherwise currently stable.

    A representative of the Safin family refused to comment on theories that Gostan Safin's family came into contact with the deadly poison in one of his own labs. They said that at the moment, the priority is the recovery of the only remaining member of the family, the youngest son Lyutsifer.

    The 16-year old Lyutsifer Safin will inherit his father's massive inheritance, which includes property, factories and pharmaceutical enterprises. A source close to the family confirmed that Lyutsifer will indeed receive control of his late father's empire. Not long before his death, Gostan Safin planned to expand his pharmaceutical company to the global market. He also planned to change the direction of the company's wide-ranging research activity from state-sponsored biological weapon programs to more profitable manufacturing of medicines for the domestic market. It is suspected that this course of action will continue under his son's leadership. Representatives from Safin's group of companies declined to respond to speculation of foreign journalists about possible IPOs on international stock exchanges, or releasing stocks to the global market.

    Loads of detail about our good friend Lyutsifer and the death of his family.

    Apparently his family was very independently wealthy and he inherited all of it. To me, it seems a bit strange that SPECTRE would take their island but not the pharmaceutical empire that is the basis of their wealth. Also, it is a bit of a shame that the villain is a billionaire industrialist, but we never get a scene with him in that milieu. I guess the spot for such scenes was taken up by Blofeld's birthday party.

    There is also mention of them dying of botulism. Up until now, I thought they were killed with a dioxin-based poison, which explains Safin's scars. Botulinum toxin doesn't cause anything like this, as far as I know. Possibly, Gostan used a combination of poisons in his recipe. There is mention of Mr. White giving them "their own recipe", I think. It could also be, of course, that Dr. Zorin (lol) just said it was botulism to make it seem less nefarious and give a cause of death that is more easily explained by bad food preparation. The part about "vegetative origin" seems like a hint towards the garden though..

    Edit: I am trying to read something into the last paragraph, but I can't really find anything. The only possible connection I can come up with is that Safin might have found Valdo through his companies' involvements in "state-sponsored biological weapons programs" and then fed him into MI6, but that's about it.
  • matt_umatt_u better known as Mr. Roark
    Posts: 4,343
    Don't know who is reading which threads, so here is something from @antovolk in the NTTD production thread, which may answer a couple of questions:
    antovolk wrote: »
    Pretty incredible attention to detail in the scene where Madeleine tells Bond about Safin - the newspaper article she shows him about the family being poisoned is written in genuine Russian and has a ton of actual backstory details.


    SUSPICIOUS DEATH OF KAZAN-BASED PHARMACEUTICAL ENTREPRENEUR
    Kazan-based entrepreneur Gostan Safin and members of his family were suddenly afflicted by a mysterious illness during their time at the family's private resort on the Kuril islands. Initially, doctors suspected that the cause of the illness was severe food poisoning.

    In a press statement released by representatives of the pharmaceutical billionaire, it was stated that Safin, 54, his wife Maria, 41, daughter Irina and three sons: Vadim, 22, Ilnaz, 18 and Lyutsifer, 16, were afflicted by a mysterious illness while spending time at their private family estate, located on one of the unnamed Kuril islands.

    The whole family was urgently brought by helicopter to a private hospital in the town of Severo-Kurilsk. This hospital was founded by Safin himself and is owned by his pharmaceutical conglomerate. Despite the best efforts by the doctors and nurses, Gostan, his wife and daughter soon passed away in the hospital as a result of the mysterious poisoning.

    Doctor Zorin from the Kiln Institute in Severo-Kurilsk confirmed in a press statement that following a pathoanatomical analysis, the cause of death of Mr. Safin, his wife, daughter and two elder sons, is poisoning by botulism, from a toxin of vegetative origin. The youngest son of Safin, Lyutsifer, the only member of the family who remains alive, is currently in a coma. Doctors believe his condition is otherwise currently stable.

    A representative of the Safin family refused to comment on theories that Gostan Safin's family came into contact with the deadly poison in one of his own labs. They said that at the moment, the priority is the recovery of the only remaining member of the family, the youngest son Lyutsifer.

    The 16-year old Lyutsifer Safin will inherit his father's massive inheritance, which includes property, factories and pharmaceutical enterprises. A source close to the family confirmed that Lyutsifer will indeed receive control of his late father's empire. Not long before his death, Gostan Safin planned to expand his pharmaceutical company to the global market. He also planned to change the direction of the company's wide-ranging research activity from state-sponsored biological weapon programs to more profitable manufacturing of medicines for the domestic market. It is suspected that this course of action will continue under his son's leadership. Representatives from Safin's group of companies declined to respond to speculation of foreign journalists about possible IPOs on international stock exchanges, or releasing stocks to the global market.

    Loads of detail about our good friend Lyutsifer and the death of his family.

    Apparently his family was very independently wealthy and he inherited all of it. To me, it seems a bit strange that SPECTRE would take their island but not the pharmaceutical empire that is the basis of their wealth. Also, it is a bit of a shame that the villain is a billionaire industrialist, but we never get a scene with him in that milieu. I guess the spot for such scenes was taken up by Blofeld's birthday party.

    There is also mention of them dying of botulism. Up until now, I thought they were killed with a dioxin-based poison, which explains Safin's scars. Botulinum toxin doesn't cause anything like this, as far as I know. Possibly, Gostan used a combination of poisons in his recipe. There is mention of Mr. White giving them "their own recipe", I think. It could also be, of course, that Dr. Zorin (lol) just said it was botulism to make it seem less nefarious and give a cause of death that is more easily explained by bad food preparation. The part about "vegetative origin" seems like a hint towards the garden though..

    Edit: I am trying to read something into the last paragraph, but I can't really find anything. The only possible connection I can come up with is that Safin might have found Valdo through his companies' involvements in "state-sponsored biological weapons programs" and then fed him into MI6, but that's about it.

    Perhaps that's SPECTRE covering their tracks. The movie makes it clear that they died because of dioxine...
  • FeyadorFeyador Montreal, Canada
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    Thanks for the above additional information regarding Safin.

    The film really needed to be much longer, haha ...

    ... to develop what was going on with Safin, especially on Poison Island and in relation to Madeleine. (One of my few substantial criticisms of the film.)

    But of course that was never going to happen ....
  • Posts: 387
    People can't expect mini-series of 8 hours stuff crammed into a 2h40 film!
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    Considering the lack of box-office for NTTD will the next film have a MUCH smaller budget than the recent Bond films?
  • MinionMinion Don't Hassle the Bond
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    delfloria wrote: »
    Considering the lack of box-office for NTTD will the next film have a MUCH smaller budget than the recent Bond films?

    A. It's on track to be the #1 or #2 non-Chinese release of 2021.

    B. MGM just got bought out by Amazon. Think about that for a second.
  • 4EverBonded4EverBonded the Ballrooms of Mars
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    I think smaller budget more due to NOT having Daniel Craig.
    And I don't think they will get a very well known, currently hugely popular star to be the next Bond. Also is the not the "last of an era" (expectations of being truly spectacular, more than usual even; icing on the cake, so to speak).
    But I expect a reasonably high budget for production value, yes.
    Overall, NTTD has performed globally during a pandemic in a stellar way.
    They will want to pare down costs for the next one, but judiciously.
    Maybe less expensive locations and certainly lesser paid star. New MI6 crew probably means no more Fienes either.
    But I don't want director or cinematography skimped. I actually want Cary and Linus back in those roles, and they deserve a raise. So it will have to balance out somehow.
  • Posts: 387
    I don't believe for one second that they will renew the MI6 crew. That would be the kiss of death.

    They are here to stay.
  • NickTwentyTwoNickTwentyTwo Vancouver, BC, Canada
    edited November 2021 Posts: 7,551
    Stamper wrote: »
    I don't believe for one second that they will renew the MI6 crew. That would be the kiss of death.

    They are here to stay.

    I'm definitely the exact opposite here. The return of any of the current Whitehall Brigade would cast a long, Craig Bond shaped shadow over future productions. If it were the old days where their scenes were early in the film and one-and-done, I might agree with you. These iterations of the characters are far too intertwined with Craig's Bond, IMO, for them to reappear.
  • Creasy47Creasy47 In Cuba with Natalya.Moderator
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    Stamper wrote: »
    I don't believe for one second that they will renew the MI6 crew. That would be the kiss of death.

    They are here to stay.

    I'm definitely the exact opposite here. The return of any of the current Whitehall Brigade would cast a long, Craig Bond shaped shadow over future productions. If it were the old days where their scenes were early in the film and one-and-done, I might agree with you. These iterations of the characters are far too intertwined with Craig's Bond, IMO, for them to reappear.

    This is exactly how I feel. Seeing the same actors bid an emotional farewell to Bond, only to greet him like nothing happened in the next one would be quite bizarre.
  • VenutiusVenutius Yorkshire
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    There's a thing with bald SPECTRE guys, though.
    Yeah, it's to stop a recurrence of the Elvis's wig malarkey.
  • matt_umatt_u better known as Mr. Roark
    Posts: 4,343
    Minion wrote: »
    delfloria wrote: »
    Considering the lack of box-office for NTTD will the next film have a MUCH smaller budget than the recent Bond films?

    A. It's on track to be the #1 or #2 non-Chinese release of 2021.

    It will end up at #2 only because of Spider-Man.
  • Posts: 387
    I disagree, they will keep the MI6 team for consistency.

    They won't greet the new Bond like nothing happened. They will give him hell for it, like audiences will.
  • NickTwentyTwoNickTwentyTwo Vancouver, BC, Canada
    edited November 2021 Posts: 7,551
    Stamper wrote: »
    I disagree, they will keep the MI6 team for consistency.

    They won't greet the new Bond like nothing happened. They will give him hell for it, like audiences will.

    Give him hell for what? Dying?

    EDIT: Ah, just read some of your previous comments, you don't think he died.
  • Posts: 1,860
    I think smaller budget more due to NOT having Daniel Craig.
    And I don't think they will get a very well known, currently hugely popular star to be the next Bond. Also is the not the "last of an era" (expectations of being truly spectacular, more than usual even; icing on the cake, so to speak).
    But I expect a reasonably high budget for production value, yes.
    Overall, NTTD has performed globally during a pandemic in a stellar way.
    They will want to pare down costs for the next one, but judiciously.
    Maybe less expensive locations and certainly lesser paid star. New MI6 crew probably means no more Fienes either.
    But I don't want director or cinematography skimped. I actually want Cary and Linus back in those roles, and they deserve a raise. So it will have to balance out somehow.

    Agreed on Cary and Linus though I still have a soft spot for Campbell when it comes to introducing new Bond actors. The less the known an actor is the better, that way they just become Bond. Also agree, though I like them all, that we have seen the last of the MI6 staff. Personally I'd love to see them go back to Bond getting his assignment and is then pretty much done with the staff at HQ. I think it will be interesting to see just how long they take to get the next film up and running.
  • NickTwentyTwoNickTwentyTwo Vancouver, BC, Canada
    edited November 2021 Posts: 7,551
    What if they had just called this film, “You Only Live Twice”?
    Blasphemy? Appropriate?
    It’s as if they took the core ideas from this story and blossomed them. Too different from the earlier film to share the title?
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