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De Ath? Funny name.
If I had to guess, I’d say SPECTRE agents at the Cuba party and/or characters from a scene(s) which ended up being removed. It’s not uncommon for actors to remain credited even if their entire role is excised on the cutting room floor.
How did Madeleine get her last name? Just curious. I don't recall coming across this being mentioned. Then again, I have been absent for most of the past several years.
We can all assume then. Swann is just so symbolic, in a few ways. Ok; thanks.
1. Mr. White's name isn't White. It's a codename and his actual, civilian name is Swann.
2. Swann is Madeleine's mother's name. Either she never took the name White or they were divorced at some point and Madeleine got her mother's name (bringing this together with the seperate problem of Madeleine saying her parents divorced) or she took the name after the events of the NTTD PTS to distance herself from her father (either as an emotional coping mechanism or to hide herself).
3. It's made-up and she took it or her father gave it to her to hide her from SPECTRE/Safin.
The fact that she never seems to change it or even be in any way interested in changing it or mentioning it's not her real name, for me points toward #3 not being the answer, although it probably is the cleanest possibility.
#1 Seems obvious, but makes little sense, when we think that Madeleine was in fact trying to hide. SPECTRE surely would know her father's real name and look for her that way. It could of course be the case (and is still pretty likely) that neither "White" nor "Swann" are the real names of the man we know as Mr. White.
I'm kind of leaning towards #2, even though it basically has the same problems as #1 and we still don't really know how her parent's relationship evolved. SPECTRE surely would have known who White was married to.
So it's probably something like #3. A name she just picked and there is so much crap involved with her maiden name that she sticks with this new identity even after all of her past is unravelled.
And maybe she pulled a "Rise of Skywalker" and changed her and Mathilde's name to Bond at the end =P~
I just assumed it was Safin that closed them. Then he waited for Bond to run through the garden.
Though it would be interesting if it was Bond that screwed it up by not listening to Q's correct method.
All those years of not paying attention come back to bite him…
By my timeline, knocked up on the train in Spectre.
Do we know how much time there is between them driving off at the end of SP and the second part of the NTTD PTS? Because if it is only a couple of weeks, Craig-Bond really has a thing with falling head over heels for women he's only known a couple of weeks. Which is a bit Fleming-esque, only that for Craig, death gets in the way, whereas Fleming-Bond usually gets tired of the women he fell for.
I don't think it was a few weeks, a few month I reckon. At least long enough for her to find out she's up the duff.
I like the Spectre train theory.
The train going towards the crater base is top-tier symbolism.
Lol 😂 Its North by Northwest all over 🤣
But with a Madeleine which is Vertigo
They meet at the clinic. She gets kidnapped, Bond saves her. Day 1
They go to Tangier and figure out the thing with the secret room and get on the train to nowhere. Hinx attacks and they have sex. Depending on how long it took them to get to Tangier and on the train and everything that's between Day 3 and Day 7 at most, right?
The whole party at Oberhauser's happens. They profess their love. Still somewhere between 3 and 7 days, right?
They travel back to London and meet the Scooby gang. Madeleine leaves Bond and get's kidnapped. He saves her and walks away with her after apprehending Blofeld. Again, depending on travel, this is somewhere between Day 5 and Day 10 after meeting for the first time.
An unknown amount of time passes. Bond takes the DB5 and they drive off towards continental Europe.
They take some amount of time until they arrive in Italy, spend one night in Matera and then the next day the SPECTRE attack happens and Bond puts her on the train.
Five years later, they meet in Belmarsh. After her disappearing, Bond finds her in Norway. He went by car, so that probably took him a day or two. Even if it took him longer, that is time spent apart. He stays the night and on the next day she and Mathilde are kidnapped. Bond and Nomi immediatly go to Safin's island (probably with an overnight flight, given the distances) where Bond frees them and then dies.
The unknows for me at the moment - without re-watching SPECTRE - really are the time between Bond leaving Blofeld on the bridge and taking the car and the time between that and them arriving in Matera.
We don't know exactly how long they took to travel from Austria to Morocco and from there back to London, but from my memory there is no indication that they did anything else in between or that the travel took an unusual amount of time.
At most, they knew each other for about 10 days by the time he saves her from the MI6 building. If they spent a couple of weeks at his place in London and then another two weeks driving down to Italy, that would mean they spent about six weeks together? Plus the one evening into the next morning in Norway. That's it. And most of it in transit.
Am I missing something here? We could probably look at seasons to figure out at what point in the year the various story parts happen, but that would be a bit over-the-top right?
Mr White s real name was apparently Hans Koenig.
That was actually the only bit which I found shoehorned in to 'reflect modern sensibilities', I'm glad to say.
Yes. I can only think they put it in to address the ever-topical issue of racism and/or just make Valdo a little more unlikable since he was mostly just comedic beforehand, despite being involved in a very evil plot.
How many last names does one family need...!
Where is that from?
Makes sense with the „Pale King“ moniker…
It seemed to me like that was the answer to somebody asking „So why does she kill hin then and not an hour earlier?“ after reading the script.
I guess she (and possibly parts of the audience) previously thought he was mainly innocent and then they went full throttle to make clear that he is an evil man…
I think it was from an official prop requisite. Or was it Friedrich Koenig?
It was only there to give her a reason to kick him into the vat of nanobots/poison and kill him.
They didn't need to do it at all, it felt awkward. And I don't know if we were supposed to cheer Nomi when she shot him, but that part didn't quite work for me.
But as I say, it's the only bit I found that I could honestly say was wokeish. I think Goldeneye was more obviously channeling the prevailing moral zeitgeist when M called Bond a 'sexist misogynist dinosaur'.
Kicks him off the walkway I should have said.