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But it's still in your top 10?
It's tough because I view Spectre as one big missed opportunity, with elements in the film that I think are really great.
It's like a discussion I had on here somewhere; a lot of the elements of a great Spectre are already in the film, but it's missing a strong narrative through-line to connect it all in a great way.
Yes at #7. I mostly enjoy all Bond movies and I have a great appreciation for Dalton but the Craig era is another level for me.
If Bond was covered in Spectre-killing nanobots in Cuba, and Primo was working for Spectre at the time, how come Primo doesn't just die as soon as he comes into contact with Bond (or Madeleine or Mathilde, who have touched Bond)?
I guess we have to hope Mr White wasn’t on file any more either then! :)
That's what my girlfriend said after seeing the film: She was waiting for Madeleine to drop dead any moment, because they hammer home the "daughter of Spectre" thing early on and that Heracles 2.0 goes along family lines. But I guess when Blofeld signs a form 25B to have thallium put in an employee's phone, that automatically triggers them to be taken out of the DNA database.
I'm pretty sure the guys carrying the eye die. From recollection, they drop the eye and then Primo picks it up and pops it in.
I can understand the goons Bond and Paloma fight not being in the database. I've posted that before, but imagine the hassle of getting DNA samples from every hourly, local goon they hire for one evening and inputting that into the database. Plus, whereever Valdo got that data from, it's at the very least a few days old and probably way older.
But Primo not being in just doesn't really work. He is Blofeld's connection to the world. He was tasked with getting Bond's DNA and seems to have lead the Matera operation five years earlier as well as the Heracles heist in London. He should at least be on the level of the guys carrying the eye around the party, as you say.
Best I can do is that Safin had already planned on poaching him for his team and had Valdo take him off the list, but that is just me making stuff up.
Another question I just had: Did Valdo really just have the SPECTRE DNA (and all of those other DNA lists) on his work computer in the C-minus-Two lab? Wouldn't it have made much more sense for that to be MI6 data that he stole or part of the Heracles package or whatever? Q and Moneypenny are so suprised by the data being there, but for Heracles to work, you absolutely need that kind of data, don't you? So Safin gave that to Valdo and he just stored it on his government-provided work computer?!
Not that it was a problem with the scene, I liked it. One of the better parts of NTTD for me.
Yeah Primo's a bit too important not to be on the list, especially if the cushion-holders are: they seem to be just above the level of waiters. He's even been given a bionic eye- they can't be cheap! I understand him not getting killed at the party because I think he's sort of hovering out of the way of the dust, but Madeline should have killed him really. Maybe they made sure he has gloves on all the time or something.
I still think it's unnecessarily confusing to have Primo swap sides, especially when the film doesn't even really mention it.
The whole party double plan is quite mind-breaking: Blofeld wants Bond there to kill him, but the agent who gets Bond to go is Ash, but he's actually working for Safin. So what was Blofeld's plan for getting Bond there?
Another totally random question: how does Bond know the fairy dust is called Heracles when he arrives in London?
I think he just says "I'm with Safin." as in "we're on the same side", but I could be wrong.
My headcanon for the party and how Blofeld wanted to get Bond there is that he didn't. The original plan was for the party to just go ahead and then the Spectre members would infect themselves with the Heracles agent targeted at Bond in a kind of f***ed-up, ritualistic bunga-bunga party with the nanobot-virus raining down on them and kinky-Blofeld watching on and then they'd go and try to infect him or just wait until he gets it from a longer chain. Primo knows where he lives and follows him around, so in that version, Blofeld would have sat in his little cell and either watched Bond until he suddenly dropped or had Primo walk up to him, say some cool one-liner, smack him across the face and watch him die at his/Primo's feet.
And then all the other stuff happens and Bond actually shows up to the party and they change the plan to have Blofeld talk directly to Bond, which is even better for him, but sadly it all goes wrong. But we all cry on our birthday.
Maybe there's a snazzy logo on the case? If you go to the trouble of having that custom made, you might as well shell out for style.
But then he probably wouldn't storm onto the boat and ask him "What is this?", right?
It makes little sense that they wouldn't talk while running to the harbour or on the plane, but that scene on the trawler is written as if they hadn't exchanged a single word.
Well ... maybe Bond wanted to be careful that someone might overhear while they where in the back alleys and it's Nomi's plane, so who knows what kind of listening devices are in there (and it's probably quite loud in there). But that brings us back to @mtm's original question...
Yeah okay, that's quite fun. A bit of an anticlimax at the party though I guess! :D
Yeah that'll have to be it I guess. It is a bit of an error I think.
The question is also did Bond tell MI6 he was coming before he turned up?
Him breaking into M's quarters again would have been pretty hilarious. Them walking through MI6 and all the analysts being confused by the Double-007 and all of the banter between Moneypenny, Nomi and Bond is pretty good as is him at the security desk (that being the only time he says "Bond. James Bond" didn't get a lot of discussion. Probably overshadowed by Madeleine at the end...) and I am happy there is a "Bond in M's office"-scene, but for Craig it's almost more traditional to have the "briefing" at M's place after he broke in. Could have had some more digs about Mallory not being of Mansfield's calibre..
That would seem quite a big breaking of state secrets at that point though- Bond doesn't work for MI6. And I think we see them meet for the first time and his entire journey to M's office, don't we?
Why would he be tailing Leiter? To find Bond?
The other theory could be that Nomi follows Felix and Primo follows Nomi, because Blofeld would know who Nomi is.
Anyway none of the henchmen died by Heracles at the party.
My thought was both Nomi and Primo find Bond by tailing Leiter. He needs to be in Jamaica to get Bond's DNA, which he does, via his toothbrush, which we see later.
@matt_u which man who died 5 years prior are you referring to?
Re: Bond knowing what Heracles is; he clearly knew about this project while he was still with MI6 years prior, there are many lines of exposition in the film about this. "You should have shut it down", "Valdo's still on the books", etc.
Ah, now I see!