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He could come back, although that would involve retcon and would be extremely contrived, but explosions are not always lethal for heroes and villains. For the record, I don't think it would be a good idea, in fact I think the next Bond film will be another reboot, that said there is a possibility that they'll have him survive. Especially since he now can't be near Madeleine or Mathilde. Getting back to the statu quo ante would cheapen his sacrifice big time, but there you ago.
Also, please bear in mind that I am probably in denial.
Well, Bond dying I'm any iteration is pretty much a big deal. But they just blown away any preconceived ideas about the character and the franchise. Nobody will take Bond for granted again. I must say, they were bold.
Primo is there to get a DNA sample from Bond (it's implied he swipes it from the fingerprint oils on Bond's scotch glass after Bond leaves, but you don't see that happen on screen). Keep in mind that at that point he is still working for SPECTRE and is in on the plan to kill Bond with Heracles.
He's dead. I can't see Bond #7 being saddled with all the Madeline and Vesper baggage. Truly I can't.
Here is from my friend, who did a classics major and knows a lot:
Heracles murdered his wife and daughter while under the effects of a brutal, divinely originated curse.
My take: Easy to imagine Bond contracting the virus as a "divinely originated curse" upon him, whereas if he were to interact with Madeleine or Mathilde, he would have killed them.
Heracles was at the end of the day a civilizing hero. There's a lot that goes into that phrase, but the barebones of it are that every labour he undertook or monster he killed paved the way for common people to move in and thrive. If you're a bad guy that wants to achieve world government or control or whatever, you might just pitch it as a 'civilizing' venture.
My take: Safin certainly justified his actions as a "civilizing" venture; helping make the world a better place.
Heracles was, more often than not, seen as entirely out of control. His divine strength hurt a f***ton of people, so he was admired and feared.
My take: Good allegory for Bond.
It's actually the toothbrush. Valdo has it in Cuba. Only saw that in my second viewing. So the why part of my question was unnecessary, but that still leaves the how. I guess SPECTRE just knows things. And they wanted Bond at the party to kill him, so it's understandable that Primo doesn't just put a bullet in his skull. Still leaves open how they had planned to get him to Cuba and what Nomi was doing there at all.
But honestly, the more I think about it, the more I like that whole section. Just the fact that Bond and Paloma actually ARE Valdo's "escort", because Ash sent them to get him out, only they don't know about it and think they are taking him from the villains not to them, is really nice spy thriller storytelling that is obscured by all the fantastic fireworks Craig, de Armas and Lynch and Wright and Magnussen shoot off in that section of the film. Really cool.
I think Safin had got to Obruchev years ago. However, he told Obruchev to go with Primo as part of Safin's plan was annihilating Spectre.
Does Safin actually use the term the 'Great Reset'? I recall him mentioning that Bond is only interested in the status quo and Safin is trying to bring about the next stage of human evolution. Basically wiping out anyone deemed a threat and moving towards a utopian society.
It's entirely feasible that Mr and Mrs White divorced when Madeleine was a baby or at some point before her 10th birthday.
Madeleine's secret was Safin. After all, when Bond asks who killed all of spectre, Blofeld tell him that he's asking the wrong person and that he should speak to Madeleine. I doubt Blofeld even knew about Mathilde. Not even MI6 knew about her.
I have a few more questions reading through this thread.....Okay:
2. Maybe wives/girlfriends of the workers, maybe scientists?
3. iirc, at first 3 shots, of which 1, perhaps 2, hit Bond.
After that two more shots, both of which hit Bond, I think.
4. iirc, he just said 'Huh?' or 'What?' but I'm not sure.
100%. Safin is very much Michael Myers in the opening, or at least that's how I saw it. I posted that in the Easter eggs thread as well.
I think Madeline shooting him is very much Dr. Loomis (how meta, in retrospect, considering who portrayed him), and of course the subsequent shot of Safin laying on the ground after falling off the upper level is a direct allusion. Shortly thereafter, once he comes to, the way he sits up is also very similar.
They are farming algae, which was confirmed by Mark Tildesley:
https://variety.com/2021/film/news/no-time-to-die-production-design-classic-james-bond-films-1235081265/
The most likely, realistic answer is: They originally wanted the threat to be biological/plant based, but that didn't work with the targeted nature the ending required so they included nanobots and never really did the work to connect the two ideas well enough.
My personal in-universe explanation: The nanobots are only the delivery mechanism developed by Obruchev. They are what can't be washed off, they are what is transmitted, they are what is "checking" the DNA for their target and then release the payload. They can "carry" whatever. In the MI6 lab they put something Hugh Dennis was working on in them and Safin possibly put something else in there or re-created the stuff MI6 were using. That only papers over the cracks, but I think it kind of works.
However, it does open up what I think would have been a better plot point: Heracles wasn't invented as a weapon, but as a delivery mechanism for vaccines and cures for genetic disease and stuff. That takes out the pretty tired idea of everyone always wanting to replace 00 agents with technology (which doesn't land anyway) and it makes M's role in the whole thing a little less horrifying. Because as is, he at the very least should resign and probably should be fired and put in front of a judge for breaking the Biological Weapons Convention..
Yeah, that would have been much better. I hated M’s role in this.
Have only seen the film once (so far), but I'd swear it was mentioned that Safin's family was murdered by Mr. White using dioxin.
Isn't Dioxin the poison that was used -- likely by Putin's henchmen -- in an assassination attempt on Ukrainian politician Viktor Yushchenko some years ago?
Yushchenko survived, but the dioxin caused severe facial disfigurement... For a number of years afterwards he looked like the freaking Phantom of the Opera. (The condition later mostly subsided, but it took over 10 years.)
Note that Safin's facial scars (what we can see of them) look worse in the opening Norway scene than they do later in the film, when much time has passed.
I thought it had to do with the fact that he was visiting Vesper's tomb. Although he let her go, the pain of her betrayal remains and his emotions were high as a result. And all of the sudden, the first woman he's allowed into his heart after Vesper betrayed him as well? He might've emotionally shut down.
That's a feasible explanation. Thanks.