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The Lost Craig Era

Risico007Risico007
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I saw a recent article that discusses this topic and apologies if its covered else where but What does everyone think happened between Quantum of Solace and Skyfall?

https://www.slashfilm.com/645979/what-happened-between-quantum-of-solace-and-skyfall-the-missing-missions-of-daniel-craigs-james-bond/



I always included the events of Blood Stone Goldeneye all the missions in 007 legends except for OHMSS and Carte Blanche as what happened in between the 2 films but curious what other fans think?

I am also curious what Mission M gives 007 at the end of Skyfall

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  • MalloryMallory
    Posts: 2,171
    I am also curious what Mission M gives 007 at the end of Skyfall.

    It should have been to go to Mexico City and track down suspected agent Marco Sciarra.

    That whole bollocks about it being a video from Dench M serves no purpose, other than give Bond yet another “personal” reason for doing it, as opposed to, say, doing his job and building a working relationship with the new M.

    (rant over). 😅
  • mtmmtm United Kingdom
    edited October 2021 Posts: 16,624
    It's a pretty fun idea. I guess you could go for that other videogame's idea (was it 007 Legends?) where all of the previous films happened to Craig's Bond in slightly different ways.

    It'd be fun to have a book or comic book or something set in that period though! Sometimes I think it'd fun if they just bit the bullet and wrote a book as if it's one of the films :)
  • Risico007Risico007
    Posts: 9,860
    mtm wrote: »
    It's a pretty fun idea. I guess you could go for that other videogame's idea (was it 007 Legends?) where all of the previous films happened to Craig's Bond in slightly different ways.

    It'd be fun to have a book or comic book or something set in that period though! Sometimes I think it'd fun if they just bit the bullet and wrote a book as if it's one of the films :)

    I always read the Benson novels as if it was Dalton as Bond but taking place when the Brosnan bond films took place lol
  • slide_99slide_99 USA
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    What happened was that Eon was so obsessed with making another anniversary film that they didn't care if it followed logically from QOS, thereby permanently derailing Craig's continuity, even with the weak retcons of Spectre.

    Despite this the Craig era is clearly its own remake with nothing to do with "Prime" Bond (Connery through Brosnan). The idea of the first 20 Bond missions happening to the same character but in different contexts works for Connery through Brosnan, given the floating timeline, but not Craig. Clearly Craig's Bond never fought in the Cold War, never married Tracy, never fought 006 or anything like that.

    In Spectre we see that all of Craig's villains are connected, Vesper is his only love (before Madeline), and no "lost" missions are ever mentioned. What we see with Craig is what we get. The guy only went on two assigned missions that mattered: beating LeChiffre at poker and trying to retrieve the stolen list from Silva. Everything else was something he stumbled onto.
  • 007ClassicBondFan007ClassicBondFan
    Posts: 2,296
    slide_99 wrote: »
    What happened was that Eon was so obsessed with making another anniversary film that they didn't care if it followed logically from QOS, thereby permanently derailing Craig's continuity, even with the weak retcons of Spectre.

    Despite this the Craig era is clearly its own remake with nothing to do with "Prime" Bond (Connery through Brosnan). The idea of the first 20 Bond missions happening to the same character but in different contexts works for Connery through Brosnan, given the floating timeline, but not Craig. Clearly Craig's Bond never fought in the Cold War, never married Tracy, never fought 006 or anything like that.

    In Spectre we see that all of Craig's villains are connected, Vesper is his only love (before Madeline), and no "lost" missions are ever mentioned. What we see with Craig is what we get. The guy only went on two assigned missions that mattered: beating LeChiffre at poker and trying to retrieve the stolen list from Silva. Everything else was something he stumbled onto.

    I’m not so certain about that. It’s not as if Goldfinger had any story connections to From Russia With Love, or any mentions of SPECTRE. Besides nobody knows the length of time officially between QOS and Skyfall, or even the the length of time between Skyfall and Spectre. Craig’s Bond could’ve gone on plenty of missions we haven’t seen on screen. The 62-02 Bond did.
  • jake24jake24 Sitting at your desk, kissing your lover, eating supper with your familyModerator
    Posts: 10,592
    Blood Stone from 2010 works extremely well in the Craig Bond timeline so I consider it to be canon in my head, although I doubt EON sees it as such.
  • Creasy47Creasy47 In Cuba with Natalya.Moderator
    Posts: 41,011
    Mallory wrote: »
    I am also curious what Mission M gives 007 at the end of Skyfall.

    It should have been to go to Mexico City and track down suspected agent Marco Sciarra.

    That whole bollocks about it being a video from Dench M serves no purpose, other than give Bond yet another “personal” reason for doing it, as opposed to, say, doing his job and building a working relationship with the new M.

    (rant over). 😅

    This was one of the few highlights of SF for me, knowing that Bond is back and it should be straightforward from here on out, only to keep up with that personal angle. I'd love to see the next era get away from that to a degree, or at least not force it into every single installment it produces.
  • mtmmtm United Kingdom
    Posts: 16,624
    jake24 wrote: »
    Blood Stone from 2010 works extremely well in the Craig Bond timeline so I consider it to be canon in my head, although I doubt EON sees it as such.

    Yeah it's got some great bits; I especially like the Ekranoplan bit- I wouldn't mind seeing that in a movie, it's quite fresh.
  • MalloryMallory
    Posts: 2,171
    Creasy47 wrote: »
    Mallory wrote: »
    I am also curious what Mission M gives 007 at the end of Skyfall.

    It should have been to go to Mexico City and track down suspected agent Marco Sciarra.

    That whole bollocks about it being a video from Dench M serves no purpose, other than give Bond yet another “personal” reason for doing it, as opposed to, say, doing his job and building a working relationship with the new M.

    (rant over). 😅

    This was one of the few highlights of SF for me, knowing that Bond is back and it should be straightforward from here on out, only to keep up with that personal angle. I'd love to see the next era get away from that to a degree, or at least not force it into every single installment it produces.

    The ending of Skyfall promised us something that was never delivered... traditional Craig Bond (at least in story structure).
  • StamperStamper
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    So did the ending of Casino Royale!
  • DenbighDenbigh UK
    Posts: 5,970
    Blofeld was in 007 Legends so that whole concept can’t work in the Craig-era.
  • FoxRoxFoxRox
    Posts: 12,524
    slide_99 wrote: »
    What happened was that Eon was so obsessed with making another anniversary film that they didn't care if it followed logically from QOS, thereby permanently derailing Craig's continuity, even with the weak retcons of Spectre.

    Despite this the Craig era is clearly its own remake with nothing to do with "Prime" Bond (Connery through Brosnan). The idea of the first 20 Bond missions happening to the same character but in different contexts works for Connery through Brosnan, given the floating timeline, but not Craig. Clearly Craig's Bond never fought in the Cold War, never married Tracy, never fought 006 or anything like that.

    In Spectre we see that all of Craig's villains are connected, Vesper is his only love (before Madeline), and no "lost" missions are ever mentioned. What we see with Craig is what we get. The guy only went on two assigned missions that mattered: beating LeChiffre at poker and trying to retrieve the stolen list from Silva. Everything else was something he stumbled onto.

    Unfortunately, this is true. SP confirms there is nothing significant about Craig’s Bond we didn’t see more or less, canonically speaking. Which makes M giving Bond the folder at the end of SF feel especially meaningless. With the era now completed, SF feels like the odd one out, clearly trying to get the series back on a standalone path which was quickly done away with next movies.
  • Risico007Risico007
    edited October 2021 Posts: 9,860
    well wait the Janus Duology
    Blood stone and Goldeneye remake could still work in as Janus wouldn't work with Spectre.

    Also Carte Blanche doesnt seem to have any lasting effects on bond throughout the book. so in that sense it could also fit

    As for 007 legends

    if I had to guess Gold Finger Moonraker and Die another day happened pre skyfall

    Indicating to me Craig's era works out like this


    Casino Royale
    Quantum of Solace
    Goldfinger
    Die Another Day
    Bloodstone
    Goldeneye (the janus duology)
    Moonraker
    Skyfall
    Carte Blanche
    Spectre
    No Time to Die



    it kind of works if you want to really nail things together things together
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