Double O by Kim Sherwood

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  • VenutiusVenutius Yorkshire
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    mtm wrote: »
    'Bond was his mentor' sounds a bit odd to me; that doesn't really sound like a way Bond would act at all.
    Yes, good point. Leading a younger 00's first mission and telling him not to touch his ear is one thing, but actually mentoring someone through it all? Doesn't really ring true to the Bond I've got in my head.

  • ImpertinentGoonImpertinentGoon Everybody needs a hobby.
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    I know this is a charge often unfairly leveled at female writers who take up existing IP, so I don't want this to come off as misoginist, but these character descriptions all feel a bit fan-fictiony to me. We'll see.
  • RichardTheBruceRichardTheBruce I'm motivated by my Duty.
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    Lois Maxwell's own idea. I'll see her there.

  • mtmmtm United Kingdom
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    Still sounding a little fanfic-ish. Slightly trepidatious..
  • MaxCasinoMaxCasino United States
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    More early reviews. Not sure where where they are from.
  • JAQJAQ USA
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    I didn't fantasize I was a Bond girl...I wanted to be the hero.

    I resent the implication that Bond girls weren't heroes in their own right. I get that she probably meant that she wanted to be the main protagonist, but her wording rubbed me wrong.

    As a girl growing up watching Bond I DID want to be a Bond girl. And not just because he's attractive. I wanted to go on an adventure WITH Bond. Not just be in his world, or take his place.

    I'm open to these new characters, but I've been hoping that Bond himself would show up in this series at some point, and play a major role eventually, even if it wasn't until the end of the 2nd book. If he's absent for the majority of the entire series, I'll be disappointed, no matter how much I might grow to like these new characters.
  • JAQJAQ USA
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    Finally got around to listening to the bit about 003. Over this marketing campaign, I've come to think Kim Sherwood has a good handle on this and am lookng forward to this book, but that sounds like some horrible fanfic.
    She's a spy who used to be a trauma surgeon who used to hook up with 007 (which she implies here, right?) and was engaged to 009 - one of the other main characters of the book? Wow.
    Even as someone that loves fanfic, that description had me cringing when I watched it.
    Having been with both guys? Ok, I don't love it, but not a huge deal to me. But being a surgeon before becoming a Double-O?! That sounds kind of ridiculous. I could see her having a medical background. Maybe a medic in the military, or a med school graduate that decided to join MI6. But a surgeon?! How old is she to have time to become a surgeon, and THEN become a Double-O?! It's not like she should be able to just switch careers and hop right into becoming a Double-O.
    It's a high level specialized position that ought to take years of training and experience before being promoted to.
  • ImpertinentGoonImpertinentGoon Everybody needs a hobby.
    edited August 2022 Posts: 1,351
    JAQ wrote: »
    Finally got around to listening to the bit about 003. Over this marketing campaign, I've come to think Kim Sherwood has a good handle on this and am lookng forward to this book, but that sounds like some horrible fanfic.
    She's a spy who used to be a trauma surgeon who used to hook up with 007 (which she implies here, right?) and was engaged to 009 - one of the other main characters of the book? Wow.
    Even as someone that loves fanfic, that description had me cringing when I watched it.
    Having been with both guys? Ok, I don't love it, but not a huge deal to me. But being a surgeon before becoming a Double-O?! That sounds kind of ridiculous. I could see her having a medical background. Maybe a medic in the military, or a med school graduate that decided to join MI6. But a surgeon?! How old is she to have time to become a surgeon, and THEN become a Double-O?! It's not like she should be able to just switch careers and hop right into becoming a Double-O.
    It's a high level specialized position that ought to take years of training and experience before being promoted to.
    Strangely enough, a friend of mine is a trauma surgeon who now works for the police. The ironic thing however is that she joined the police because she wanted a more plannable and less stressful job after working in the ER for years. She now and again joins large-scale operations for big demonstrations and such but her day to day is mainly like any works doctor for a large corporation. So not really prep for becoming a 00.
  • VenutiusVenutius Yorkshire
    edited August 2022 Posts: 3,164
    Yes, the fanfic flavour's a bit overripe in that particular character description. Shame, really, it'd been shaping up quite well.
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    So my theory bond is in the book is clearly not true sigh I will still read the first I got through most of the horrowitz Books I can do this
  • JAQJAQ USA
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    I've been really excited about this book since it was announced, but after reading the excerpt I've become LESS excited rather than more. I've been trying to nail down why I feel this way. I think it may be an example of the writer telling instead of showing...
    So in the excerpt, we're introduced to 004, from Moneypenny's perspective. We quickly learn that he's a disabled gay black man. There's nothing wrong with a character having those characteristics, of course. But that just felt like A LOT to suddenly be told about a character when we've just met him for the first time. Meanwhile he's doing nothing much besides reporting in. If we'd more slowly gotten to know these things about him, while he's on a mission or such, I think it might have felt much more natural. As is, it feels rushed and yes, fanfic like, to have a new character introduced and immediately follow with a bunch of descriptive details about them.

    Maybe if we'd first met him while he was on his leave in Jamaica. We could have gotten some nice Bond-ese travel details of his home there that way. We could have been shown how he felt restless there during peace time, instead of him just telling Moneypenny that. Maybe he could have had a date while he was there, that was shown to be a guy.

    The hearing disability he got during his time in the military might have been much more interesting reveal to wait until later in the story. Maybe with a flashback.

    Maybe I'm being a bit too harsh from just a short excerpt. I am still looking forward to reading the book. But I just want it to be awesome and I'm not convinced.
  • mtmmtm United Kingdom
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    Yeah I'm slightly nervous that these characters have had a load of details added rather than personalities, if you know what I mean. If all these details and backstories are relevant to how they behave and what happens to them, then fine; but I get nervous when it feels like a writer has spent the time constructing their biographies with clutter like 'she's got a photographic memory and comes from Pease Pottage' rather than deciding what they're actually like.
  • ImpertinentGoonImpertinentGoon Everybody needs a hobby.
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    mtm wrote: »
    Yeah I'm slightly nervous that these characters have had a load of details added rather than personalities, if you know what I mean. If all these details and backstories are relevant to how they behave and what happens to them, then fine; but I get nervous when it feels like a writer has spent the time constructing their biographies with clutter like 'she's got a photographic memory and comes from Pease Pottage' rather than deciding what they're actually like.

    Yeah, I think we are all kind of cautiously trending in the same direction, but this has some strong Modern Young Adult Fiction vibes. First we situate all the characters in their specific intersections of adjectives and then we figure out a story.
    Still, the story could be good, so we'll see. I mean, it's not like Fleming has never introduced a character's backstory with an info dump by Tanner or M...
  • MaxCasinoMaxCasino United States
    edited August 2022 Posts: 4,704
    https://www.edbookfest.co.uk/the-festival/whats-on/anthony-horowitz-shaken-not-stirred

    Happening right now, but available to watch later as well. Kim Sherwood is interviewing Anthony Horowitz about With a Mind to Kill at the Edinburgh International Book Festival. There might be a few bits about Double Or Nothing, but seems to be mostly focused on Horowitz.
  • MaxCasinoMaxCasino United States
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    I hope she talks about the villain next.
  • mtmmtm United Kingdom
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    Getting vibes that 004 is gay from that. Feels like more personality clutter; I do have my concerns about this.
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    The Telegraph has given a positive review--three out of five stars.

    Very mild spoilers ahead.
    Can the 007 series continue without Bond? This book has an answer
    3 out of 5 stars

    In Kim Sherwood's novel Double or Nothing, 'Miss' Moneypenny has become 'Ms', and is now a Jaguar-driving spymaster

    By Jake Kerridge

    Whenever I read one of the many James Bond novels written by hands other than Ian Fleming’s, there always comes a point when my inner Alan Partridge mutters: “Stop getting Bond wrong!” I can watch even Roger Moore with pleasure in the films, but with a book, if I think for the briefest moment that Bond wouldn’t do that or say that or think that, the whole exercise suddenly seems rather pointless.

    Kim Sherwood has sidestepped this problem in the first of a new series of novels set “in the Bond universe” and endorsed by the Ian Fleming estate: Bond doesn’t appear at all, except in the briefest of flashbacks. 007 is MIA, thought to have been captured by Rattenfänger, a terrorist group so ruthless as to make Smersh look like the Red Cross.

    You might think a novel about the Double 0 Section of MI6 with no James Bond would be Hamlet without the Prince, but I can’t say I missed him much while I was bowled along by Sherwood’s yarn. Other familiar characters are here, however, albeit retooled for the 21st Century.

    Miss – or, these days, “Ms” – Moneypenny has graduated from typing to running the 00 section, and drives a “1967 Jaguar E-Type Series 1 4.2 in British racing green”, newly converted to electric by Q Branch, where in the original novels she seemed like one of nature’s bus users. Q himself has undergone an even more radical transition than that of the bufferish Desmond Llewellyn into the hipstery Ben Whishaw in the films, but I won’t give away the details.

    The focus of the novel is on not one but three Double 0 agents. 003 is Johanna Harwood, an ex-doctor who’s junked the Hippocratic oath. 009 is Aazar Siddig Bashir, a chess champion quietly appalled by Bond’s breezy amorality: gunning for baddies, part of his mind is focused on “trying not to want to kill, because a licence shouldn’t mean a desire”.

    Finally there’s 004, Joe Dryden – gay, deaf, working-class and black. He’s also apparently not one for following the news, as Ms Moneypenny has to break it to him that the climate is in a spot of bother – “Modelling shows that if we continue business as usual, we could see a five-degree increase by the end of the century. Melting Arctic. Rising seas.” This is in the course of a briefing on tech billionaire Sir Bertram Paradise, whose geo-engineering schemes may represent the planet’s best hope. The trouble is that the Rattenfänger gang look to be trying to nobble Sir Bertram and hold the world to ransom.

    As our three heroes get on with saving the day while also puzzling out who’s the mole in MI6 responsible for getting Bond captured, Sherwood bustles us round the world – from Syria to the Kazakh desert to Hong Kong – and treats us to a blizzard of well-executed set-pieces, including a thrilling boxing competition and a hair-raising encounter with a tiger.

    Unshackled from the burden of fidelity to Fleming’s character, her book feels a lot freer and more spontaneous than the more conventional Bond continuation novels, while still managing to capture something of Fleming’s rollicking spirit – as well as sharing his taste for sadistic violence.

    Sherwood – whose only previous publication is Testament, an acclaimed literary novel about a Holocaust survivor – has a nice line in banter between her Double 0s, and although she sometimes overwrites (“His chest was tight with smoke, which had poured down his throat like concrete eager to fill a void”), she is more often neat and concise.

    There is the odd moment of guying the franchise – one villain lays “a mock hand over his mouth” and exclaims “I’ve said too much” after outlining his evil plan to a Double 0. But there’s also one of those foreign baddies who end sentences by saying “yes?” in a sinister way (“Always the knight in shining armour, yes?”) who doesn’t seem to be intended as a parody.

    The book could do with a little more of that magical vitality that makes you happy to swallow any absurdity in Fleming’s novels, but I suspect this series is only going to get better.
  • MajorDSmytheMajorDSmythe "I tolerate this century, but I don't enjoy it."Moderator
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    Eh... i'm getting the impression that the 3 00's stood side-by-side, would like like a meme on inclusiveness. That review doesn't fill me with any promise.
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  • mtmmtm United Kingdom
    edited August 2022 Posts: 16,628
    Many thanks for sharing, willing to give this the benefit of the doubt if they say it romps along. Must admit I nearly gave up at the bit where 'Moneypenny drives a “1967 Jaguar E-Type Series 1 4.2 in British racing green”, newly converted to electric by Q Branch'. E-Types are always the car people who don't know about cars give their characters, and converting it to electric does kind of sum up the slightly achingly millennial approach this book seems to be adopting.
    And the pedant in me would also point out it's not a 4.2 if it's been given a different motor :)
  • DragonpolDragonpol https://thebondologistblog.blogspot.com
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    Red_Snow wrote: »
    Red_Snow wrote: »

    I was wondering this myself or if there'll be a Waterstones Special Edition as well? I see the novel is £10 (half price) on pre-order on Amazon UK currently.
  • mtmmtm United Kingdom
    edited August 2022 Posts: 16,628
    I love that the photo they used as a promo shot has a copy with a bashed corner in it :D
    That's what Photoshop's for, lads.
  • DragonpolDragonpol https://thebondologistblog.blogspot.com
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    I like the moth/butterfly motif or possible symbolism. I wonder what it signifies? Presumably some form of villainy.
  • Agent_99Agent_99 enjoys a spirited ride as much as the next girl
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    Anyone going to the British Library event on September 1? Fancy a little meetup/drink afterwards or anything?
  • Red_SnowRed_Snow Australia
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    Dragonpol wrote: »
    Red_Snow wrote: »
    Red_Snow wrote: »

    I was wondering this myself or if there'll be a Waterstones Special Edition as well? I see the novel is £10 (half price) on pre-order on Amazon UK currently.

    The Waterstones Edition was announced some time ago. You can pre-order it here:
    https://www.waterstones.com/book/double-or-nothing/kim-sherwood/2928377114749

    I'm hoping there the same, as I've already ordered the Waterstones Edition.
  • Red_SnowRed_Snow Australia
    edited August 2022 Posts: 2,547
    Red_Snow wrote: »

    I was wondering this myself or if there'll be a Waterstones Special Edition as well? I see the novel is £10 (half price) on pre-order on Amazon UK currently.

    The Waterstones Edition was announced some time ago. You can pre-order it here:
    https://www.waterstones.com/book/double-or-nothing/kim-sherwood/2928377114749

    I'm hoping there the same, as I've already ordered the Waterstones Edition.

    Update: I asked whether it was an Amazon exclusive, and Kim Sherwood replied:
    "No, just the first print run 🍸"
  • MaxCasinoMaxCasino United States
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    Red_Snow wrote: »
    Red_Snow wrote: »

    I was wondering this myself or if there'll be a Waterstones Special Edition as well? I see the novel is £10 (half price) on pre-order on Amazon UK currently.

    The Waterstones Edition was announced some time ago. You can pre-order it here:
    https://www.waterstones.com/book/double-or-nothing/kim-sherwood/2928377114749

    I'm hoping there the same, as I've already ordered the Waterstones Edition.

    Update: I asked whether it was an Amazon exclusive, and Kim Sherwood replied:
    "No, just the first print run 🍸"

    I like that she replies to fans. Same with Anthony Horowitz and Raymond Benson.
  • mtmmtm United Kingdom
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    Yeah that is good. I don't get what Ian Fleming's problem is :P
  • I'd prefer Kingsley Amis hadn't responded to my fan mail. He sent it back covered in red corrections.
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