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  • CraigMooreOHMSSCraigMooreOHMSS Dublin, Ireland
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    bondjames wrote: »
    jake24 wrote: »
    The score is wonderfully cinematic (and I love the so called "Zimmerisms" btw). Something like Kraemer's score wouldn't work for this film.
    Same here. The nods to Zimmer really work and complement the intensity and epic nature of the film. Kraemer's score was perfect for RN but I'm glad we got Balfe for this one. My hat's off to him for what he was able to deliver.

    Balfe's score will be a grower rather than an instant fan-favourite, I feel. I think the majority of backlash against Balfe is simply because Kraemer was replaced.
  • DaltonCraig007DaltonCraig007 They say, "Evil prevails when good men fail to act." What they ought to say is, "Evil prevails."
    edited August 2018 Posts: 15,718
    I just went to see it again, after discovering the film yesterday. It got even better the second time round, it seems this film will have an insane rewatchability factor. For a 2.5 hours film it felt 90 minutes long after 2 viewings within 24 hours.
  • bondjamesbondjames You were expecting someone else?
    edited August 2018 Posts: 23,883
    bondjames wrote: »
    jake24 wrote: »
    The score is wonderfully cinematic (and I love the so called "Zimmerisms" btw). Something like Kraemer's score wouldn't work for this film.
    Same here. The nods to Zimmer really work and complement the intensity and epic nature of the film. Kraemer's score was perfect for RN but I'm glad we got Balfe for this one. My hat's off to him for what he was able to deliver.

    Balfe's score will be a grower rather than an instant fan-favourite, I feel. I think the majority of backlash against Balfe is simply because Kraemer was replaced.
    I didn't realize there was a backlash and am frankly surprised. I suppose the negatives focus on the Zimmer elements, which I really liked (I've never understood the Zimmer hate). It was great to hear "The Plot" in the score too.
    I just went to see it again, after discovering the film yesterday. It got even better the second time round, it seems this film will have an insane rewatchability factor. For a 2.5 hours film it felt 90 minutes long after 2 viewings within 24 hours.
    I'll be back for a second time this weekend and can't wait to see it again, this time in IMAX. I've been thinking about this film a lot over the past week, and that doesn't happen too often these days, where most films I watch are forgettable disappointments for me. It really hit the spot.
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    After some consideration, I wouldn't mind if Cruise packed it in after this. It really ties everything together and seems like a conclusion of sorts. The only element that's still somewhat open is
    Hunt's relationship with Ilsa, which I'd like to see develop further.
    If they decide to make one more with Tom, I hope they once again
    try something different, and would be ok if they really scale everything back and go for a more down to earth thriller (similar to MI:1), leaving Fallout as the high water mark for badass epic-ness.

    I've noticed that they've shown Hunt getting more vulnerable and beaten up over the past few, and I've embraced that because it clearly depicts the passage of time (for all of us who have been along for this great journey).

    With the next one they could have it go almost too far, and maybe he chooses to quit the game with her finally, after she saves his a##.
  • DaltonCraig007DaltonCraig007 They say, "Evil prevails when good men fail to act." What they ought to say is, "Evil prevails."
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    @bondjames Tom Cruise himself confirmed to the crowd at the world premiere in Paris 3 weeks ago that a 7th installment will happen. Cruise is in the shape of his life right now, and given several action stars are at least 10 years older than him, I think he's planning to keep raising the bar in the action genre while he can.
  • bondjamesbondjames You were expecting someone else?
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    I didn't know that @DaltonCraig007. More power to him if he chooses to continue. With this kind of benchmark quality, why stop? I just don't know how they can keep topping themselves, which they've clearly done imho of late.

    If he does do another, I hope he continues with McQuarrie. These two are movie gold.

    Perhaps unlike some others, I don't go to MI films primarily to see Tom doing crazy stuff. I go because, since MI:GP, he has provided me with my fix of light, out of this world adventurous spy fare, with a perfect dose of style and glamour thrown in.
  • 00Agent00Agent Any man who drinks Dom Perignon '52 can't be all bad.
    edited August 2018 Posts: 5,185
    No one can do what he does, not sure there will ever be anyone like him again.
    I think he still has something left in the tank, and he loves the challenge.
  • DaltonCraig007DaltonCraig007 They say, "Evil prevails when good men fail to act." What they ought to say is, "Evil prevails."
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    @bondjames right after the screening at the premiere in Paris ended, apparently Cruise turned to McQuarrie and told him 'we can do better'. The guy is an absolute legend.
  • imranbecksimranbecks Singapore
    edited August 2018 Posts: 984
    Just saw the movie. The best action movie of the year so far. And definitely the best out of all the Mission Impossible films.

    Many scenes seems like they got the idea from past Bond films too.. Namely Tomorrow Never Dies, Casino Royale, Skyfall and Spectre.
  • CraigMooreOHMSSCraigMooreOHMSS Dublin, Ireland
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    bondjames wrote: »
    bondjames wrote: »
    jake24 wrote: »
    The score is wonderfully cinematic (and I love the so called "Zimmerisms" btw). Something like Kraemer's score wouldn't work for this film.
    Same here. The nods to Zimmer really work and complement the intensity and epic nature of the film. Kraemer's score was perfect for RN but I'm glad we got Balfe for this one. My hat's off to him for what he was able to deliver.

    Balfe's score will be a grower rather than an instant fan-favourite, I feel. I think the majority of backlash against Balfe is simply because Kraemer was replaced.
    I didn't realize there was a backlash and am frankly surprised. I suppose the negatives focus on the Zimmer elements, which I really liked (I've never understood the Zimmer hate). It was great to hear "The Plot" in the score too.

    Yes, there has been a lot of negativity around it, mostly on Twitter. Balfe, to his credit, has been very responsive to a lot of the criticisms no matter how illogical they have been. There was a great conversation yesterday after a reviewer accused the score of being "neo-barbaric".

    Personally, I'm fine with the Zimmer influence as long as there's no direct quotes of his music. Listening to as many scores as I do, hearing the first minute of "The Exchange" in the film was "Gotham's Reckoning" minus the chanting which sucked me out of the film for a moment. That being said, that cue then went on to use the franchise theme very effectively and built the tension really well towards what was a really cool moment, so I can forgive it.

    The oft-mentioned "Stairs and Rooftops" is the score highlight. It's a stunning cue for a great sequence, and that choir-backed final minute or so is excellent. Balfe did a good job, bar one or two of those nitpicky moments like the one mentioned above.

  • bondjamesbondjames You were expecting someone else?
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    Unbelievable @DaltonCraig007 - and this is after his injury too. If you view the interviews with the cast, they all seem up for another as well. Everyone just wants to be a part of this right now, which is what inevitably happens when there's leadership and drive from the top down.

    Speaking of the ankle, do you know if that rooftop full speed run was done after his ankle break or before? I was wondering about that when viewing the film because he was at full acceleration up there.
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    00Agent wrote: »
    No one can do what he does, not sure there will ever be anyone like him again.
    I think he still has something left in the tank, and he loves the challenge.
    I agree that there is unlikely to be anyone like him again, at least not in Hollywood. With the way the industry is changing I just can't see it.
  • DaltonCraig007DaltonCraig007 They say, "Evil prevails when good men fail to act." What they ought to say is, "Evil prevails."
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    @bondjames The bit where Cruise is in the office and jumps out the window with the workers looking at him silently was done once Cruise returned from injury. So it's possible that wide shot of Cruise running on the rooftop besides the Thames was done post-injury, but I'm only aware of the window jump.
  • 00Agent00Agent Any man who drinks Dom Perignon '52 can't be all bad.
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    Cavill said in an interview that Crusie was doing full speed Sprints after he returned.
  • bondjamesbondjames You were expecting someone else?
    edited August 2018 Posts: 23,883
    Great, thanks @DaltonCraig007. Now that you mention it, I do recall the window jump being done much later. Anyway, I hope he's fully healed now. He should take care of himself.
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    bondjames wrote: »
    bondjames wrote: »
    jake24 wrote: »
    The score is wonderfully cinematic (and I love the so called "Zimmerisms" btw). Something like Kraemer's score wouldn't work for this film.
    Same here. The nods to Zimmer really work and complement the intensity and epic nature of the film. Kraemer's score was perfect for RN but I'm glad we got Balfe for this one. My hat's off to him for what he was able to deliver.

    Balfe's score will be a grower rather than an instant fan-favourite, I feel. I think the majority of backlash against Balfe is simply because Kraemer was replaced.
    I didn't realize there was a backlash and am frankly surprised. I suppose the negatives focus on the Zimmer elements, which I really liked (I've never understood the Zimmer hate). It was great to hear "The Plot" in the score too.

    Yes, there has been a lot of negativity around it, mostly on Twitter. Balfe, to his credit, has been very responsive to a lot of the criticisms no matter how illogical they have been. There was a great conversation yesterday after a reviewer accused the score of being "neo-barbaric".

    Personally, I'm fine with the Zimmer influence as long as there's no direct quotes of his music. Listening to as many scores as I do, hearing the first minute of "The Exchange" in the film was "Gotham's Reckoning" minus the chanting which sucked me out of the film for a moment. That being said, that cue then went on to use the franchise theme very effectively and built the tension really well towards what was a really cool moment, so I can forgive it.

    The oft-mentioned "Stairs and Rooftops" is the score highlight. It's a stunning cue for a great sequence, and that choir-backed final minute or so is excellent. Balfe did a good job, bar one or two of those nitpicky moments like the one mentioned above.
    I'm far more forgiving because I just love Nolan's Bat score, but totally get your point about "Gotham's Reckoning" and agree that "The Exchange" is very similar.

    Speaking of silly comments and reviews, I had the misfortune of reading something online a few days back by someone who had recently seen MI:RN. The individual's opinion was that McQuarrie had allegedly taken advantage of Ferguson sexually by focusing the camera on her legs and other attributes during the opera scene. This person was genuinely disturbed by those scenes.

    After shaking my head in disbelief I thought about it and realized that in today's charged environment such scenes probably wouldn't cut the mustard. They were very careful with the new one. Shame.
  • CraigMooreOHMSSCraigMooreOHMSS Dublin, Ireland
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    @bondjames The bit where Cruise is in the office and jumps out the window with the workers looking at him silently was done once Cruise returned from injury. So it's possible that wide shot of Cruise running on the rooftop besides the Thames was done post-injury, but I'm only aware of the window jump.

    According to McQuarrie, the shot of Cruise running along the Thames was one of the last running shots completed when he came back from injury. It was five months post-ankle break.
  • bondjamesbondjames You were expecting someone else?
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    @bondjames The bit where Cruise is in the office and jumps out the window with the workers looking at him silently was done once Cruise returned from injury. So it's possible that wide shot of Cruise running on the rooftop besides the Thames was done post-injury, but I'm only aware of the window jump.

    According to McQuarrie, the shot of Cruise running along the Thames was one of the last running shots completed when he came back from injury. It was five months post-ankle break.
    Now that is really amazing.
  • Creasy47Creasy47 In Cuba with Natalya.Moderator
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    @bondjames The bit where Cruise is in the office and jumps out the window with the workers looking at him silently was done once Cruise returned from injury. So it's possible that wide shot of Cruise running on the rooftop besides the Thames was done post-injury, but I'm only aware of the window jump.

    According to McQuarrie, the shot of Cruise running along the Thames was one of the last running shots completed when he came back from injury. It was five months post-ankle break.

    I was going to mention the same, pretty sure I noticed some candid shots of fans recording him doing that post-break; makes the shot even more impressive knowing his ankle wasn't 100%.
  • I also like Lorne Balfe's score and think it has some great moments, particularly in Paris and during the climactic fight. I do wish, however, that there had some callbacks to themes used in previous films. Julia, for example, has a theme that is used in M:I 3 and then repeated at the end of GP; it's quite lovely and IMO it would have made the scenes with her much more emotional. Same goes with Ilsa - she has a great Hitchcockian theme introduced in RN that I wish had made its way in here.

    I am grateful, though, that Balfe carried on the tradition started by Michael Giacchino and continued by Joe Kramer of using "The Plot" theme from the TV series. I like how he amps it up and even uses it as an action cue in certain areas.
  • bondjamesbondjames You were expecting someone else?
    edited August 2018 Posts: 23,883
    I also like Lorne Balfe's score and think it has some great moments, particularly in Paris and during the climactic fight. I do wish, however, that there had some callbacks to themes used in previous films. Julia, for example, has a theme that is used in M:I 3 and then repeated at the end of GP; it's quite lovely and IMO it would have made the scenes with her much more emotional. Same goes with Ilsa - she has a great Hitchcockian theme introduced in RN that I wish had made its way in here.
    I hadn't noticed those individual themes consciously, and will listen for them when I next revisit those earlier films, most likely once Fallout is out on 4K disc.
  • doubleoegodoubleoego #LightWork
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    bondjames wrote: »
    I just wanted to say that I really enjoyed Lorne Balfe's score for this film. It truly elevates nearly every scene and is a standout. I can't quite pick my favourite bit (there are so many great cues), but the entire
    London rooftop chase sequence score
    (I think it's called "Stairs and Rooftops") is really suspenseful and epic. I especially love the piano bit & the drums that kick in from time to time. It reminds me of something from a 70's film.

    Yep. This film for me in every way out did anything the Bond films have done for the better part of 30 years.
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    Tom Cruise on M:I going into space. He sounds pretty serious.

    http://collider.com/tom-cruise-interview-mission-impossible-fallout-paris/
  • MurdockMurdock The minus world
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    That would be awesome. They could do a new version of the 1989 series episode that featured space. :D
  • Creasy47Creasy47 In Cuba with Natalya.Moderator
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    Sounds like they'll gladly do it as long as it fits in with the plot and characters. My money is on something akin to that Red Bull-sponsored space jump from a few years back.
  • CraigMooreOHMSSCraigMooreOHMSS Dublin, Ireland
    edited August 2018 Posts: 8,217
    Creasy47 wrote: »
    Sounds like they'll gladly do it as long as it fits in with the plot and characters. My money is on something akin to that Red Bull-sponsored space jump from a few years back.

    I was thinking the same thing, though I think it's unlikely they'll do that for real. Not because Cruise isn't insane enough to do it, but because it'd be more expensive than most of the stunts in Fallout combined.
  • bondjamesbondjames You were expecting someone else?
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    That London Tube story was hilarious. I can just see it too. Folks are so caught up in their own world these days that they hardly notice others.
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    Creasy47 wrote: »
    Sounds like they'll gladly do it as long as it fits in with the plot and characters. My money is on something akin to that Red Bull-sponsored space jump from a few years back.

    I was thinking the same thing, though I think it's unlikely they'll do that for real. Not because Cruise isn't insane enough to do it, but because it'd be more expensive than most of the stunts in Fallout combined.
    I really hope they do something in space but agree that the costs will probably get in the way, especially given their interest in doing things for real. It would be a great way for Cruise to sign off on top though.
  • Creasy47Creasy47 In Cuba with Natalya.Moderator
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    bondjames wrote: »
    That London Tube story was hilarious. I can just see it too. Folks are so caught up in their own world these days that they hardly notice others.
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    Creasy47 wrote: »
    Sounds like they'll gladly do it as long as it fits in with the plot and characters. My money is on something akin to that Red Bull-sponsored space jump from a few years back.

    I was thinking the same thing, though I think it's unlikely they'll do that for real. Not because Cruise isn't insane enough to do it, but because it'd be more expensive than most of the stunts in Fallout combined.
    I really hope they do something in space but agree that the costs will probably get in the way, especially given their interest in doing things for real. It would be a great way for Cruise to sign off on top though.

    No doubt. Though I'm thinking that if Cruise has the balls to do these stunts, they won't want to go with some CGI-only space scene, and would want to shell out the big bucks for the real deal. Having said that, as you both have mentioned, it's likely they won't want to go that route given the insane prices involved. Would be cool to see, though!
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    Has anyone listened to the Empire spoiler podcast yet?
  • bondjamesbondjames You were expecting someone else?
    edited August 2018 Posts: 23,883
    TR007 wrote: »
    Has anyone listened to the Empire spoiler podcast yet?
    No. I'll check it out soon.

    @doubleoego, I think you'll get a laugh out of this. I'm sure many will disagree, but I think the guy has a point even though I liked SF. Spoilers again so those who've not seen the film should avoid.

    http://www.theoohtray.com/2018/07/29/film-review-mission-impossible-fallout/
  • RC7RC7
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    Do you remember the excitement when Sam Mendes took over the Bond series? No, me neither.

    Stopped reading there.
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    Who is Bourne anyway? Look, I like the og trilogy., but that has been played out. Nothing new. Whereas every new MI brings in something new and exciting. Okat, maybe that Hunt has been disowned has been played in too much.

    Still better than "oh, look that evil cia!"
  • CraigMooreOHMSSCraigMooreOHMSS Dublin, Ireland
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    SharkBait wrote: »
    Who is Bourne anyway? Look, I like the og trilogy., but that has been played out. Nothing new. Whereas every new MI brings in something new and exciting. Okat, maybe that Hunt has been disowned has been played in too much.

    Still better than "oh, look that evil cia!"

    That is a fair thing to say but Bourne is as different to MI as it is to Bond, and it still reshaped action films for the next 10 years so it will pop up in conversation - much like Fallout will over the next while, I imagine. Then we'll get Bond 25 and if it's great, the cycle starts again.

    As far as spy thrillers go, each of the big three have provided one huge, worthy addition to the genre. Bond has CR, Bourne has the original trilogy, and MI now has Fallout.

    If Bourne had stopped at 3 films, and Bond had knocked Spectre out of the park, MI would still be as impressive but the comparisons wouldn't be as blunt between the three.
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