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  • edited May 2015 Posts: 12,837
    It looks pretty good and I did love the last one but I don't really want to support Tom Cruise's movies anymore. I'm not going to see it and I think I'll manage fine without, Kingsman and SPECTRE are enough to give me my spy fix this year.
  • Creasy47Creasy47 In Cuba with Natalya.Moderator
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    @thelivingroyale, any reason in particular why you don't want to support Tom Cruise's movies anymore?

    As for 'Kingsman,' I trashed the look of that movie based on all of the trailers and TV spots, but it really surprised me.
  • 0BradyM0Bondfanatic70BradyM0Bondfanatic7 Quantum Floral Arrangements: "We Have Petals Everywhere"
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    Creasy47 wrote: »
    @thelivingroyale, any reason in particular why you don't want to support Tom Cruise's movies anymore?

    As for 'Kingsman,' I trashed the look of that movie based on all of the trailers and TV spots, but it really surprised me.

    It's that new Scientology documentary that's come out, apparently.

    I don't see anyone boycotting this film, however.
  • Creasy47Creasy47 In Cuba with Natalya.Moderator
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    I won't even get started on religion, but if that's his prerogative, then so be it. I, for one, will absolutely show up to watch it. His films are too entertaining to miss out on.
  • DaltonCraig007DaltonCraig007 They say, "Evil prevails when good men fail to act." What they ought to say is, "Evil prevails."
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    If a very rugged person, like I'm sure @0BradyM0Bondfanatic7 or @Creasy47 are, came up to me and said 'you shall only watch films limited to the same actor for the rest of your life', I would definitely pick Tom Cruise. The 4 (soon 5) Mission Impossible's, Knight and Day, Jack Reacher, Collateral, Oblivion, Valkyrie and Edge of Tomorrow? I could watch them a million times and never get bored.
  • Creasy47Creasy47 In Cuba with Natalya.Moderator
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    It just can't be argued: Tom Cruise is the man when it comes to action and stunts. Nobody out there does it better than him.

    And don't get me started on the near perfection that is the pairing of Michael Mann and Tom Cruise in 'Collateral.' What a film.
  • DaltonCraig007DaltonCraig007 They say, "Evil prevails when good men fail to act." What they ought to say is, "Evil prevails."
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    @Creasy47 If you take out James Bond out of the equation, 'Collateral' is by far the greatest movie going experience I've ever had. If I weren't so shy in real life, I would most likely have been, even if the cinema was jam packed, clapping and cheering 'Go Tom!' during the nightclub shootout.
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    SaintMark wrote: »
    Creasy47 wrote: »
    @SaintMark, 'Rogue Nation' is shaping up to deliver some pure insanity and some really fine looking action sequences, which is all I really could ask for. If this film and the sixth can deliver that, then I'll be more than happy to buy a ticket.

    However, I wouldn't say that the Bourne franchise is true competition for James Bond anymore. 'The Bourne Legacy' was a stinker and there hasn't been much concrete word on a sequel as of late.

    I liked the Bourne legacy and found the direction daring and am a fan of Renner and of course Mrs Current Bond. And with the possibilty of Damon, Green & Renner involved in the next Bourne movie I am a happy person.

    I think you can bet the bank that Renner and Mrs. Bond will appear nowhere near the next Bourne. Damon and Greenglass reported hated the Bourne Legacy and felt it countered various characters and threads in their previous films as there is tons of bad blood between Damon/Greenglass and Gilroy, the diretor/write of Legacy. Their next Bourne will ignore the Bourne Legacy. The sequel to the Bourne Legacy was sidelined when the studio finally got Damon and Greenglass to agree to do a Bourne sequel. (Damon needs a big hit.) If the studio had found Legacy successful enough, I doubt we would be seeing Greenglass and Damon coming back for another wack at the franchise.
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    Creasy47 wrote: »
    @thelivingroyale, any reason in particular why you don't want to support Tom Cruise's movies anymore?

    As for 'Kingsman,' I trashed the look of that movie based on all of the trailers and TV spots, but it really surprised me.

    Well I always thought previously that Tom Cruise was just sort of a PR guy for scientology kept in the dark about the things they did, so despite him seeming kinda insane, I could always enjoy his films. But I saw this documentary recently called Going Clear that made me see him in a whole different light. I'm not gonna type out all the details as it'll take a while (it's all online if you're interested, and I started a thread on here) but he's been involved in some messed up stuff. I mean he's a good actor and it is impressive how he does his own stunts but I think sadly it's one of the few cases where I can't seperate the actors personal life from his performances. I just don't want to give him my money anymore, not after what I found out from that doc.

    I remember discussing Kingsman with you before it was out, when you said the trailers did nothing for you, so I'm glad you enjoyed it in the end :) I really liked it, it was a very fun, very violent tribute to not just Bond, but spy films in general. It wasn't quite as good as I expected (I don't think it topped Kick Ass) but I still really enjoyed it regardless. I thought the first half, while not bad by any means, was a little more safe and conventional than I was expecting. But then from the dinner scene onwards the film just got better and better. That church scene was one of the best action sequences ever put to film imo, and the finale was great too.
  • Creasy47Creasy47 In Cuba with Natalya.Moderator
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    @thelivingroyale, I saw that documentary. Very scary stuff, but I won't hold it against him. He wants to worship Xenu aliens in the sky, then go for it. At the same time, he clings himself to airplanes and climbs tall buildings for my entertainment, so that's good enough for me. I'm sure if I started to judge actors based on their political/religious views and not their skills, then I wouldn't be watching many movies.

    Indeed, it was just an all around fun tribute to Bond. It didn't try to be James Bond discreetly, either, it was right in your face, and that's what was so fun. That church scene? Absolutely one of the best action sequences I've ever seen. I was so impressed with that.
  • chrisisallchrisisall Brosnan Defender Of The Realm
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    I will, from now on, only watch movies made by actors that I agree with politically & religiously, so I guess I can only watch Keanu Reeves movies... whoah.
  • Creasy47Creasy47 In Cuba with Natalya.Moderator
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    chrisisall wrote: »
    I will, from now on, only watch movies made by actors that I agree with politically & religiously, so I guess I can only watch Keanu Reeves movies... whoah.

    'The Matrix' trilogy, 'Street Kings,' 'A Scanner Darkly,' 'Point Break,' 'Bill & Ted's Excellent Adventure,' and 'John Wick' on repeat for the rest of time? I could work with that!
  • M_BaljeM_Balje Amsterdam, Netherlands
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    It be nice if there release Jack Reacher next year and Mi6 in 2017.
  • Creasy47Creasy47 In Cuba with Natalya.Moderator
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    M_Balje wrote: »
    It be nice if there release Jack Reacher next year and Mi6 in 2017.

    It's plausible! Cruise just started shooting 'Mena,' but that would give the cast and crew of 'Jack Reacher' enough time to get the full script and production down pat, so they could have it out by December 2016. In the midst of next year, Cruise could start filming M:I-6, though I'm sure they'll wait until 2018/2019 for it. But, stranger things have happened.
  • DaltonCraig007DaltonCraig007 They say, "Evil prevails when good men fail to act." What they ought to say is, "Evil prevails."
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    Wow!, Thanks for giving that info, @Creasy47. I'm already very excited for 'Mena' just be reading the synposis.
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    Creasy47 wrote: »
    M_Balje wrote: »
    It be nice if there release Jack Reacher next year and Mi6 in 2017.

    It's plausible! Cruise just started shooting 'Mena,' but that would give the cast and crew of 'Jack Reacher' enough time to get the full script and production down pat, so they could have it out by December 2016. In the midst of next year, Cruise could start filming M:I-6, though I'm sure they'll wait until 2018/2019 for it. But, stranger things have happened.

    Apparently Mena isn't coming out till end of 2016 so I'm guessing Jack Reacher 2 is summer 2017 at the earliest. Ed Zwick (The Last Samurai, Defiance) just signed on to direct so its moving ahead.

    http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/news/tom-cruises-jack-reacher-sequel-796867
  • edited May 2015 Posts: 2,081
    Creasy47 wrote: »
    @thelivingroyale, any reason in particular why you don't want to support Tom Cruise's movies anymore?

    As for 'Kingsman,' I trashed the look of that movie based on all of the trailers and TV spots, but it really surprised me.

    It's that new Scientology documentary that's come out, apparently.

    I don't see anyone boycotting this film, however.

    Well, looks like @thelivingroyale is doing just that. (One can presume he probably won't be alone in that.)
    Creasy47 wrote: »
    @thelivingroyale, any reason in particular why you don't want to support Tom Cruise's movies anymore?

    As for 'Kingsman,' I trashed the look of that movie based on all of the trailers and TV spots, but it really surprised me.

    Well I always thought previously that Tom Cruise was just sort of a PR guy for scientology kept in the dark about the things they did, so despite him seeming kinda insane, I could always enjoy his films. But I saw this documentary recently called Going Clear that made me see him in a whole different light. I'm not gonna type out all the details as it'll take a while (it's all online if you're interested, and I started a thread on here) but he's been involved in some messed up stuff. I mean he's a good actor and it is impressive how he does his own stunts but I think sadly it's one of the few cases where I can't seperate the actors personal life from his performances. I just don't want to give him my money anymore, not after what I found out from that doc.

    You clearly feel strongly about that and I respect that. I haven't seen the documentary, and I know next to nothing about Scientology - or other cults, for that matter, I'm suspicious of all of them.

    I generally know extremely little about actors as people - in most cases nothing, in some cases tiny little bits, sometimes a bit more, and in only one case quite a lot, so what they are like as people rarely has any impact on how I see them as actors. That is to say I see the work and the person as separate just like I generally would with, say, writers (as people vs their books), or composers (as people vs their music), etc.

    There has never been a case (yet, anyway) where I would boycott an actor's work because I can't stomach them as people. Partly because I rarely care enough to bother to find out enough about them to have an informed opinion that I felt was valid and justifiable. If I rather not watch movies with certain actors it's because I don't like them as actors, it has never been because I'd dislike the person. In my experience finding out more about some actors has just made me like them more... the opposite has never happened.

    It would have to be something really rotten to make me boycott. Clearly it is for you with Cruise, and you're not the only one I've seen say similar stuff. If I cared enough about Cruise, I'd have looked into this whole business already - maybe I should, anyway, if it's that bad. I'm still unclear though if there is absolute proof he has done some nasty stuff... But research requires time and effort, ugh... I should look into some other cases, too, I suppose - just too little time to try and find out about every case. But, for instance, Mel Gibson... I just watched the Cannes Fury Road presser and George Miller being clearly very genuinely fond of and upset for Gibson and I know too little about it all to even have an opinion, and I'd like to.
    Creasy47 wrote: »
    @thelivingroyale, I saw that documentary. Very scary stuff, but I won't hold it against him. He wants to worship Xenu aliens in the sky, then go for it. At the same time, he clings himself to airplanes and climbs tall buildings for my entertainment, so that's good enough for me. I'm sure if I started to judge actors based on their political/religious views and not their skills, then I wouldn't be watching many movies.

    But that wasn't really what @thelivinroyale was saying, was it? He wasn't talking about religious beliefs as I understand.
    chrisisall wrote: »
    I will, from now on, only watch movies made by actors that I agree with politically & religiously, so I guess I can only watch Keanu Reeves movies... whoah.

    I have no idea about his political or religious views at all, but now I'm curious. ;)

    And @Creasy47 - You really like Street Kings? Oh, ok. I wanted to...

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    Thank you @Tuulia, that's right. It's not what he believes that's the problem. If he wants to believe in magic aliens or whatever that's fine. It's the stuff Scientology does that bothers me. Before I just thought Cruise was more of a publicity figure for them so I didn't let it affect my enjoyment of his movies but then I found out from that documentary that he's actually much more involved and has been involved in some pretty horrible stuff.

    I mean normally I don't let actors personal lives get in the way of me enjoying their films. Sean Connery thinks it's okay to hit women, still a great James Bond. But there are two cases I can think of where just can't get past it. One of these cases is Roman Polanski (I understand he lost his wife and everything but he raped a 13 year old girl and got away with it, saying sorry just doesn't cut it imo, if he was really sorry he would have accepted his punishment instead of running away and continuing to make millions). And now, the other is Tom Cruise. The thing is, normally if a celebrity does something horrible there are consequences. You mention Mel Gibson and despite apologising and stating multiple times how much he regrets it, he's still blacklisted from many major studios because of his anti semetic remarks. Roman Polanski raped a girl, got away (he said sorry but I think when you've raped someone, sorry just doesn't cut it) and rather than being blacklisted there are celebs signing petitions to get the charges against him dropped. Tom Cruise is part of an evil cult and has been mixed up in some nasty stuff with them and yet he hasn't faced any consequences at all, he still enjoys a huge film career.

    The promo tour for Mission Impossible 5 will be kicking off soon. Hope at least one journalist has the balls to ask about it. He'll most likely just refuse to comment or say it's all lies but given the accusations made against him in the doc (and the sources they have), I'm not sure how well that'll work.
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    MI-6 and Jack Reacher 2! Excellent news indeedy!!! :D
  • Creasy47Creasy47 In Cuba with Natalya.Moderator
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    @Tuulia, Scientology is a religion, and since Scientology seems to be a very psychotic, whacked-out one at that, then the religion is the issue if it makes people do crazy things such as some of the stuff that was showcased in the documentary (mainly the last 20-30 minutes, that's when stuff really gets out of hand.) I was trying to deflect it so religion didn't get brought up out of nowhere. I understand what @thelivingroyale is saying.

    As for 'Street Kings,' indeed I did! My best friend and I caught it the night of release and we thought it was a pretty tight-knit little action thriller. It was fun for what it's worth.
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    Agree very much with what @thelivingroyale and @Creasy47 are noting about the documentary and Cruise. I found it profoundly disturbing and I too feel it has forever impacted my opinion of Cruise. Talented actor and producer, no doubt, but he seems to have a messianic view of himself these days. It leads him to take the character of Reacher and completely redefine his essence from a 6' 5" block of huge physical intimidation to a 5' 5" actor who thinks he can do what ever he wants to a piece of terrific literature because, hey, he's Tom Cruise. I was disgusted that he took one of my favorite characters and completely upended the characters' essence and have refused to see the film. Heard it was well made, but the character he is playing is not Reacher.
  • M_BaljeM_Balje Amsterdam, Netherlands
    edited June 2015 Posts: 4,515
    There are 6 posters now and on imdb.com you can see them with more general subtitle ''comingsoon''.

    http://www.imdb.com/media/rm78640384/rg2160630528?ref_=rgmd_md_pv

    Number 6 is very intresting, Sean Harris with a Bear.
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    I'm not that much impressed by them, sorry. They seem so....serious and bleak...for a Mission: Impossible film:

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  • RC7RC7
    edited June 2015 Posts: 10,512
    I'm not that much impressed by them, sorry. They seem so....serious and bleak...for a Mission: Impossible film:

    missionimpossible0006.jpgmissionimpossible0001.jpgmissionimpossible0002.jpgmissionimpossible0003.jpgmissionimpossible0004.jpgmissionimpossible0005.jpg

    Average, but the SP teaser is crap. Walking out of the BFI IMAX over the last couple of months has been depressing. The SP teaser with Dan is so unbelievably uninspiring. Possibly my least favourite work in the series. At least the Ethan image has a bit of atmosphere, unlike the au de toilet effort for SP.
  • bondjamesbondjames You were expecting someone else?
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    @RC7, if you're talking about the poster of DC in the turtleneck with the gun, then I agree. Every time I see it I'm disappointed by it. Airbrushed to death and somewhat poster boyish - not at all in keeping with the atmosphere of the trailer or what they are trying to achieve with this film. Hopefully we get some better posters soon.
  • RC7RC7
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    bondjames wrote: »
    @RC7, if you're talking about the poster of DC in the turtleneck with the gun, then I agree. Every time I see it I'm disappointed by it. Airbrushed to death and somewhat poster boyish - not at all in keeping with the atmosphere of the trailer or what they are trying to achieve with this film. Hopefully we get some better posters soon.

    I am indeed talking about that poster. I've seen it several times now on the exit walk from the BFI IMAX, which is the big screen in London, a prime spot for promotion, and it actually blends in to the wall it's so bland. I agree, the teaser is really atmospheric, brilliant. The print campaign is nowhere near that level. It's really, really poor. I'd rather the original bullet hole poster took it's place. They really need to up their game. This is Bond, we used to set precedent for iconic poster design. What happened?
  • bondjamesbondjames You were expecting someone else?
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    RC7 wrote: »
    bondjames wrote: »
    @RC7, if you're talking about the poster of DC in the turtleneck with the gun, then I agree. Every time I see it I'm disappointed by it. Airbrushed to death and somewhat poster boyish - not at all in keeping with the atmosphere of the trailer or what they are trying to achieve with this film. Hopefully we get some better posters soon.

    I am indeed talking about that poster. I've seen it several times now on the exit walk from the BFI IMAX, which is the big screen in London, a prime spot for promotion, and it actually blends in to the wall it's so bland. I agree, the teaser is really atmospheric, brilliant. The print campaign is nowhere near that level. It's really, really poor. I'd rather the original bullet hole poster took it's place. They really need to up their game. This is Bond, we used to set precedent for iconic poster design. What happened?

    Completely agree. It's totally amateurish and not acceptable for such a storied franchise that used to be known for its legendary posters.
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    Uhm, I was talking about the "Mission: Impossible" teaser posters no?
  • RC7RC7
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    Uhm, I was talking about the "Mission: Impossible" teaser posters no?

    And we're on a Bond forum, no?

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