Mission: Impossible - films and tv series

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  • Gustav, keep in mind that Ghost Protocol got off to an even slower start, and it ended up netting almost 700 million worldwide. I think that Rogue Nation, much like GP, will flourish from word of mouth and rave reviews.
  • doubleoegodoubleoego #LightWork
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    Gustav, keep in mind that Ghost Protocol got off to an even slower start, and it ended up netting almost 700 million worldwide. I think that Rogue Nation, much like GP, will flourish from word of mouth and rave reviews.

    I agree that's a very strong possibility but the main thing is, critics and the GP really like the movie; in this regard, the movie is a success and that's what should count. However, with competition and films like UNCLE coming out shortly, who knows what the financials will end up being but so far so good.

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    True, but I do think Bond fans tend to be extra critical towards their own franchise, as compared to other spy franchises.

    With "Rogue Nation" the 92% Rotten Tomatoes rating is used to justify possible success of the film. But when "Skyfall" hit 92% on Rotten Tomatoes, there was, especially within the Bond community, a lot of criticism about this. Moreover, "we" basically said that for Bond films we should not take such ratings as a means to justify our love for the film (Which I agree with).
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    Final weekend opening figures for US/Canada:

    "Mission: Impossible 5 - Rogue Nation":
    $ 55,520,089
  • bondjamesbondjames You were expecting someone else?
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    Just saw it and really enjoyed it...

    Highly entertaining and really lives up to and does a service to the MI franchise. I would rate it just below GP however, since the earlier film seemed to have a little more simple plot that was easier to follow. RN was a little difficult to keep up with (plot wise) due to the fast pace and all the convolutions. I'd say this film is a mix of the original MI (which also had surprises and turns) & GP, with a lot of Bond (SF, potentially SP and some QoS) thrown in. I agree with earlier comments here that the plot lacks some heft....there is an element of familiarity that could become tiresome in time....similar to how Bond had to reboot I think they will have to change the formula up for the next one. Personally, I enjoyed SF a little more due to Mendes' work on characterizations, themes and impressive visuals, but this film is nothing to scoff at, with far better action sequences. Well done to all concerned.

    Cruise is in superb form (as good as in GP) as is the rest of the cast. Ferguson is a standout and is likely going to go places. Her thighs are quite impressive, I must say.

    The standout for me is the music score, which is really a step up for this francise. Light and airy, with definite 60's MI TV show influences, it shows how it should be done. Much more memorable than the last two installments on this front imho. I really enjoyed the way the music started before the film even began (during the intro production company label details) as it got me pumped for the spectacle that was to unfold.

    My rating. A solid 85 to 90%.
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    bondjames wrote: »
    Just saw it and really enjoyed it...

    Highly entertaining and really lives up to and does a service to the MI franchise. I would rate it just below GP however, since the earlier film seemed to have a little more simple plot that was easier to follow. RN was a little difficult to keep up with (plot wise) due to the fast pace and all the convolutions. I'd say this film is a mix of the original MI (which also had surprises and turns) & GP, with a lot of Bond (SF, potentially SP and some QoS) thrown in. I agree with earlier comments here that the plot lacks some heft....there is an element of familiarity that could become tiresome in time....similar to how Bond had to reboot I think they will have to change the formula up for the next one. Personally, I enjoyed SF a little more due to Mendes' work on characterizations, themes and impressive visuals, but this film is nothing to scoff at, with far better action sequences. Well done to all concerned.

    Cruise is in superb form (as good as in GP) as is the rest of the cast. Ferguson is a standout and is likely going to go places. Her thighs are quite impressive, I must say.

    The standout for me is the music score, which is really a step up for this francise. Light and airy, with definite 60's MI TV show influences, it shows how it should be done. Much more memorable than the last two installments on this front imho. I really enjoyed the way the music started before the film even began (during the intro production company label details) as it got me pumped for the spectacle that was to unfold.

    My rating. A solid 85 to 90%.

    I have a feeling its slightly...darker/dramatic tone will make this film my favourite M:I-film ;-). Nice review @BondJames. Very nuanced. I like that :-).
  • edited August 2015 Posts: 267
    I enjoyed it, probably give it an 8 or so out of 10. Plot wasn't overly convoluted, but some aspects fell a little flat IMO. Liked seeing Luthor back in a more substantial role. It felt really, really similar to MI4:GP, but I still think the original is my favorite of the series.

    I'd go MI, MI4, MI5, MI3, MI2.

    My favorite Bond films are the ones that let the whole thing breathe a bit and isn't just one action sequence leading into dialog to set up the next action sequence (OHMSS, FRWL, etc.). That's my biggest complaint about MI5 (and MI4) - they're both very slick action films, but they really don't have any real element of espionage or thriller elements to them (which was what I liked more about the first one).
  • edited August 2015 Posts: 11,119
    A nice question. Which incarnation of Lalo Shiffrin's theme we like most. Michael Giacchino's version? Or Joe Kraemer's version?

    "Opening", by Michael Giacchino:


    "Finale", by Michael Giacchino:




    "Opening", by Joe Kraemer:


    "Finale", by Joe Kraemer:



    I think Giacchino's version is slightly more traditional, TV-Series-esque, whereas Joe Kraemer's version is more 'grand' in scale, more cinematic.
  • Seven_Point_Six_FiveSeven_Point_Six_Five Southern California
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    I forgot to mention, the Spectre trailer wasn't shown when I saw MI:5. Nor was the Spectre teaser shown during my viewing of Furious 7. [-(
  • BondJasonBond006BondJasonBond006 on fb and ajb
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    Yes I really wonder for what they are waiting...not showing Spectre at MI5 screenings is plain stupid marketing wise.
  • I forgot to mention, the Spectre trailer wasn't shown when I saw MI:5. Nor was the Spectre teaser shown during my viewing of Furious 7. [-(

    Just realized that I haven't actually seen any SP trailers at the cinema yet and I go fairly often. Since the first teaser was released I've been to see Furious 7, John Wick, Get Hard, Mad Max 4, Ted 2 and Southpaw. Not once have I seen a single trailer for SPECTRE. Is this just me being unlucky or a lack of promotion, or a mix of both?
  • doubleoegodoubleoego #LightWork
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    They showed it at my showing.
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    Guys, it's not a rule that in every cinema the "SPECTRE"-trailer will be attached to "Mission: Impossible - Rogue Nation" :-P. Moreover, drawing marketing conclusions out of that is quite....ehm.....stupid.
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    BTW should we create a thread discussing where to go in 6?
  • Creasy47Creasy47 In Cuba with Natalya.Moderator
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    @Risico007, I think it's fair to discuss that here. If anything, this can be turned into a 'Mission: Impossible' thread, since we tend to talk about the other movies, too.

    @Gustav_Graves, not necessarily kind to call someone out as stupid for asking a question. It's a fair assessment that any trailers for SP haven't been attached to any other films in cinemas thus far, and it's already August. It's only an assessment.
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    Creasy47 wrote: »
    @Risico007, I think it's fair to discuss that here. If anything, this can be turned into a 'Mission: Impossible' thread, since we tend to talk about the other movies, too.

    @Gustav_Graves, not necessarily kind to call someone out as stupid for asking a question. It's a fair assessment that any trailers for SP haven't been attached to any other films in cinemas thus far, and it's already August. It's only an assessment.

    You're right. Sorry @BondJasonBond006 :-(. I meant to say that it's not very trustworthy. Was not intentional.
  • Guys, it's not a rule that in every cinema the "SPECTRE"-trailer will be attached to "Mission: Impossible - Rogue Nation" :-P. Moreover, drawing marketing conclusions out of that is quite....ehm.....stupid.

    I haven't seen Rogue Nation. I listed six films above I'd seen since the first SP teaser dropped, I just thought it was strange that not once did I see a single SP trailer. As I said, I don't know if it was marketing, if the trailer was attached to any of these films, or just bad luck on my part. Just thought it was strange as I go to the cinema pretty often and I thought I would've seen at least one SP trailer on the big screen by now.
  • edited August 2015 Posts: 12,837
    Murdock wrote: »
    I'd like it, I thought he did a good job with Batman (and his Batman was clearly pretty Bond inspired), he got me interested in the character when I never had been before (since then I've watched the Burton and Schmaucher films, wasn't a big fan of any of them, and then played the first three Arkham games, loved Asylum but City and Origins have made me lose faith in the series so I probably won't play Knight for a while) they're the only comic book movies I really care about. A separate self contained Bond trilogy written and directed by Nolan after Craig leaves would be great imo, he's a fan and I'd like to see what he could do.

    I'm not a fan of Nolan's writing. It feels too overblown and pretentious at times. People don't speak like normal people. It feels fabricated. He might be a fan but that doesn't necessarily mean he's right for it. I like his directing and visual style, but I just wouldn't want him to write them. Aside from Batman Begins, I really didn't care for the other films in the Dark Knight trilogy. And he always uses Hans Zimmer who's music to me is boring, bland and uninspired. If people had problems with Mendes, Nolan is like Mendes multiplied. I don't think Nolan is right for Bond. but that's just what I think.

    Sorry, only just seen this. I don't see how it's pretentious, is it because he includes social commentary? Idk, throughout the trilogy I never really got the feeling that he was being pretentious or up himself. I can see why some wouldn't care for Rises, I'm not the biggest fan myself, I loved it on first viewing but since then I've become more critical of it (plot holes, etc) but I'm curious about why you didn't care for The Dark Knight? I thought that was a brilliant film. Could you give some examples of people not speaking like normal people? Never really noticed that, no more than in any other film anyway :P

    Personally I think Nolan did a great job fleshing out Batman's character, while creating movies with interesting running themes, tons of atmosphere and some great villains put on screen (Bane was great and Ledgers Joker is one of the best villains of all time imo, an amazing performance). I think the only issue is action. While he's good at staging large setpieces (eg- The Dark Knight bank robbery or car chase), and he's great at conveying atmosphere in the fight scenes (like the first Bane fight in Rises, I had goosebumps watching that), the actual fight choreography is poor.

    Zimmer I think often does generic work but can be really good. I enjoy his Batman scores, especially the main theme, and I think he did a great job on the Sherlock Holmes films and on the Pirates Of The Carribean films too.
  • SkyfallCraigSkyfallCraig Rome, Italy
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    I've seen the movie, it's absolutely brilliant. And yes, spectre trailer was attached
  • BondJasonBond006BondJasonBond006 on fb and ajb
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    @gustav_graves

    don't worry about it, I could have said "out of all reason" instead of "plain stupid" ;)
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    A brief though on 6
    Where do you go from here? Obviously I am not just talking in terms of stunts but in terms of Story Syndicate was an amazing villain how do you move beyond that?
  • MurdockMurdock The minus world
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    @thelivingroyale, It was mainly the heavy handed expository dialogue given by Alfred or the villains. It just got grating everytime someone went into a speech. granted I haven't watched them in a while but. I just felt the writing wasn't suited to Bond. I'd be fine if Nolan directed but left the writing to someone else. But I won't go into here as this isn't a Nolan related thread. :P

    Anyway, I'm hoping to see MI5 this weekend. :D
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    Seriously this score was so good. This opens the film:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?t=378&v=J4SYThWzoh8

    How do those notes not immediately make you want to a) run through your neighborhood flat out and b) go watch this movie. Miles better than Newman's Skyfall.
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    On a par with Ghost Protocol or second best after the first Mission Impossible. That was my first reaction after seeing it yesterday. Bond better step up to better this one.
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    JWESTBROOK wrote: »
    Brimar wrote: »
    Sorry if this is a bit off topic...

    As someone looking forward to MI:RN I too wonder whether some of us Bond fans perhaps are so protective and even nit picky about our beloved 007 franchise that we worry an extra amount whether the next Bond (SP this year) will measure up to other similar films, like MI, Kingsman, UNCLE, et? I wonder will it score a high critical consensus? Will it bring together fans of Bond or divide them? Stuff like that.

    Personally, everything about SP looks as great as I could hope for; cast, story, locations and of course the trailers. Some will disagree. But it seems to me like there is an undercurrent (even amongst the critics) that since these other spy films have been so well received this year that SP might seem like a disappointment given that it will probably have more expectations than most of these films, not to mention 53 years and 23 films of heritage behind that make it scrutinized more than usual and not be as appreciated as perhaps it should - if it truly turns out great? Obviously, no one knows yet.

    I suppose what I am saying is, does SP have to be extra great, just to be great. If that makes any sense.

    That does make sense, but when you look at the the general praise of Skyfall, a film with many flaws but that "feels" good as a fan, I am not worried about the initial reactions to Spectre. I think people will be so overwhelmed with what it is trying to do, they wont judge what it actually is until a few weeks later, like with Skyfall. And with Skyfall that wasn't just hardcore fans drooling, everybody did. I just hope Spectre is good enough to never be questioned as "over-rated."

    Great point. I feel some of these bigger films (from many major franchises) might require a couple of viewings to take it all in and appreciate what is there. As films get bigger and bigger in today's days and age, I personally need to see them more times than the films I used to see.
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    Brimar wrote: »
    Sorry if this is a bit off topic...

    As someone looking forward to MI:RN I too wonder whether some of us Bond fans perhaps are so protective and even nit picky about our beloved 007 franchise that we worry an extra amount whether the next Bond (SP this year) will measure up to other similar films, like MI, Kingsman, UNCLE, et? I wonder will it score a high critical consensus? Will it bring together fans of Bond or divide them? Stuff like that.

    Personally, everything about SP looks as great as I could hope for; cast, story, locations and of course the trailers. Some will disagree. But it seems to me like there is an undercurrent (even amongst the critics) that since these other spy films have been so well received this year that SP might seem like a disappointment given that it will probably have more expectations than most of these films, not to mention 53 years and 23 films of heritage behind that make it scrutinized more than usual and not be as appreciated as perhaps it should - if it truly turns out great? Obviously, no one knows yet.

    I suppose what I am saying is, does SP have to be extra great, just to be great. If that makes any sense.

    Let me tell you one thing. As of late October everyone will have forgotten the previous spy films ;-). Because "SPECTRE" will all stun us.

    I firmly believe that "SPECTRE" will crush previous Bond film ratings -"Casino Royale", "Skyfall"- on IMDB, Rottentomatoes and Metacritic. Why I say that? I still believe the two trailers from SP were pure utter 'porn' for us Bond fans, but for other movie-go-ers too.

    I can see "SPECTRE" settle down with an incredible 8.4 rating on IMDB ("CR": 8.0, "SF": 7.8), an astonishing 96% on RT ("CR": 95%, "SF": 92%) and a wonderful 8.3 on Metacritic ("CR": 8.1, "SF": 8.1). Mark my words :-).

    I really appreciate your optimism! I also like the fact others besides myself feel that all these films can be successful on their own without it having to be at the expense of another film(s). All can be great. It's happened before.

  • @Gustav_Graves - As far as your comparison of the opening title music, I like both Giacchino's and Kraemer's opening themes, just as I like both their scores in general, but for my money, nothing beats Danny Elfman's pulse-pounding opening credits music for the first film. THAT'S how it should be done.
  • edited August 2015 Posts: 3,278
    JWESTBROOK wrote: »
    And with Skyfall that wasn't just hardcore fans drooling, everybody did.
    If that's a fact, why the huge debate on this board where lots of fans express criticism if "everybody" were drooling? And why are there several hundreds of user reviews on IMDB where people are not drooling, but expressing their dissatisfaction?

    No one can speak on behalf of "everybody", so please don't. Thank you.

    Kind regards... a hardcore fan who didn't like SF.
  • I think what @JWESTBROOK meant is the initial reaction. There was nothing but praise for SF in the first few weeks of release, and those on here that did say they didn't like it were immediately jumped on (I loved Skyfall and still do but I found the reaction from some members, refusing to accept any criticism and desperately trying to justify anything wrong with the film, pretty stupid).

    Since then the hype has settled down and negative opinions of SF have gotten more common, and become more accepted.
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