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Slightly more satisfying? :-O SLIGHTLY?? :-?
:))
I like Mission:Impossible of course, but it's no match whatsoever to Bond, especially to the best Bond movie ever SPECTRE.
Absolutely! The sound effects added really added tension to that scene. I really cant wait to pick this one up on BluRay. Hell, I wonder if any of my local theaters are still playing it because I wouldn't mind seeing it again.
Rogue Nation definitely deserves a Sound Mixing nomination this year. When I saw it in IMAX it felt like the vehicles were actually in the room.
I didn't get that with the car chase or the snow plane sequence in SPECTRE, which is a shame.
Really not that much.
While SP´s opening scene had very cool elements, the audacity with which MI5 starts was hardly beatable.
While there may easily be more satisfying villains than the one in RN, the way the villain in SP is presented has much too much emphasis on his family issues to be in any way threatening or otherwise meaningful.
I agree that the Bonedoctor was a bit dull, while Hinx was basically a lot more interesting. But again, RN knew much better to use the guy than did SP. The knife fight between the Bonedoctor and Ilsa was top notch. Hinx throwing Bond around like a toy, especially so shortly after Bond himself showed what a badass he is by knocking one guy out with one single punch and intimidating the other by just saying matter-of-factly, "No!" was fantastic. But then Hinx failing miserably at trying a Jaws hommage was characteristic of most of his use in the film: great potential, driven against the wall.
As for the torture scene in SP, I found that totally misplaced. A throwback to early 00s torture porn á la MI3, or Tarantino. No tension, just sado maso pain. Not my thing at all.
Let's try to be your devil's advocate then. In what ways did SP excell over RN? Especially concerning the latter half?
Too much emphasis?
=D>
One last thing. Introducing a family background in the reasoning of the villain is by no means an error in writing or stupidity in screenplay/plot writing. It's more a fact of simply....disliking that aspect of family history. At first I was a bit sceptical about this, but I thought it was decently executed and with enough elaboration explained.
Saying that "Bond should not have a family background in a Bond film" is merely the voice in someone's mind screaming for conservative familiarity. Similar to how critics slammed the ending of "OHMSS" when it premiered in 1969/1970. As if James Bond marrying a girl, and then being killed off at the very end "is not Bond".
With such notions people are limiting themselves. And it doesn't let the franchise move forward in new territories. I agree that Bond is more realistic than, let's say "Batman Begins" and "The Dark Knight Rises". But there is also a similarity: Both Fleming's novels and DC Comics are firmly grounded in fantasy. Sometimes larger-than-life, bordering sci-fi, but most of the time they have a cinematic reality to them.
Having said that: the entire personal background histories of Bond, of Silva, of 'M', and Blofeld -when re-reading the novels "You Only Live Twice" and "Octopussy"- that Sam Mendes, Marc Forster and Martin Campbell brought to us, feel entirely satisfying to me. And they are mostly properly explained to us as well........if you like it or not.
Sadly, the "Mission: Impossible"-franchise isn't daring enough to do this. But for the reasons I just explained I actually really liked "Mission: Impossible III". It takes some guts to make a character vulnerable, to make him more 'rounded' with personal backgrounds and therefore deep emotional reasoning. Instead, Ethan Hunt plays the 'Bond of the past', that perhaps many conservative Bond fans miss so much. But not me. I've seen that with Bond already. Done that, been there in the past. Not with Bond. And this is one of the reasons why perhaps individually "Rogue Nation" is a very good film, but it also makes the actual franchise less appealing to me.
I would make a perfect little brother of Ersnt Blofeld :-).
And when I watched "Rogue Nation" in Juli, I couldn't believe the similarities it had with "Skyfall":
https://hmssweblog.wordpress.com/2015/08/02/the-hunt-for-bond-mi-connections-to-007/
A character I would love in Bond 25
As for Spectre verse MI:RN
Very true. It does seem like a mish mash of previous Bond films too. I still enjoyed it though. Really good fun.
He´s slowly, savoringly explaining to Bond how he was the author of all Bond´s pain during the last nine years. Nine f***ing years. Hardly rounding out an element.
You´re wrongly generalising. Bond having a family background is not necessarily the end of the world, but a) one key element of film Bond from the beginning was that he was basically a hard boiled detective, right out of Hammett or Chandler novels, with an unshakeable stubbornness when he´s on the job. The very idea of this extrovert who never loses track of his aim is in a very direct and uncomplicated way inspiring to just get things done. A protagonist struggling with his personal affairs, or his employer struggling with his internal affairs is the opposite, getting things not done, being one´s own obstacle. Everyone may like what he or she likes, but those are two very different ideas. The first one doesn´t get stale.
b) Bond has always been vulnerable, but the films knew much better than in recent days to build suspense from it.
c) The family stuff in MI3 is basically made into a seperate story that has nothing to do with the actual story, and thus steals time from the film. We don´t need to see all those things to understand that Ethan Hunt has a wife. We knew before that he didn´t have a wife without any exposition to that effect, and we don´t need it to know that he has one now.
d) The biggest problem with those newer character facettes is that they are badly executed. Bond falling in love and marrying in OHMSS is told clumsily, but through some magic it somehow works. Recent films by comparison make OHMSS an emotional ballet.
Agreed with a lot of what is said there. I am not against the idea of what SPECTRE did. It was just clumsily done.
Although I do disagree with the MI:3 statements. The whole drama from that worked quite well in relation to the rest of the plot. Skyfall had similar strengths.
I'm actually watching it at the moment. Say what you will about Cruise - he is a bona fide movie star. The Burj climbing sequence is a work of art. I'm sure the Life Insurance guys at Cruise Wagner have suffered multiple heart attacks in the last 15 years.
I've always liked MI2, partially because it takes its plot from one of my favorite films ever, Notorious.
People saying MI is copying Bond adrift I think. Sure, some plot points and action sequences are similar, but for it to really be copying Bond Ethan Hunt would have to become an entirely different character. I'd say MI is copying Burn Notice more than Bond. In spite of being elite spies/assassins (although Hunt is less of the later than Bond) their personalities are very different. Ethan Hunt isn't a clothes or food aficionado, nor is he a gambler (in spite of what Lane said in RN), nor is he a womanizer. He's fallen in love with a couple girls, but he's certainly not the 'love and leave em' type like Bond is. I'd have to imagine he'd be pretty broken up about the deaths of Solange and Severgine in a way that Bond never was.
(and yes, the good Doctor is a member of the Grammar Police!)
It was more Freudian than you would care to admit. >:)
http://www.slashfilm.com/christopher-mcquarrie-back-as-mission-impossible-6-director/
Hopefully we get more background on 'The Syndicate' and a return by Faust. If this is Cruise's swansong, I'd be very happy if the two of them are able to finish it all off and ride off into the sunset at the end of MI6..
Anyone have any more details on how the ending was originally meant to go down before the re-shoots?
They would be mad not to use Ilsa Faust again in the next one, a great character and a mesmerising performance from Rebecca Ferguson. So mesmerising in fact I may have to stick it on again tonight :P
How bloody cool was Kraemer's music though?