Mission: Impossible - films and tv series

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  • Creasy47Creasy47 In Cuba with Natalya.Moderator
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    Creasy47 wrote: »
    @0BradyM0Bondfanatic7, indeed we have. It manages to annoy me every time, and assists in why it's my least favorite installment in the series. It's not a terrible film, but it's most certainly the one I feel like rewatching the least.

    Yeah, it's frustrating. Imagine if in MI2 for example, they kept all the stuff about Chimera a secret?

    The scene would go from them explaining the security of the building and how to properly break in, before cutting to Ethan parachuting out of the side of the building after Nyah infected herself.

    Hell, aside from that last bit, that's pretty much the exact same thing that happens with the MacGuffin sequence in M:I3. I hate when they shy away from a real good action scene like that.
  • BennyBenny Shaken not stirredAdministrator, Moderator
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    It's one of the things is dislike the most about MI:3 for the most part it's a good film, PSH is a great villain, with some great lines. But we never find out what the rabbits foot is, or how Ethan got it out of the secure Chinese facility. I find that cheats the audience.
  • bondjamesbondjames You were expecting someone else?
    edited March 2017 Posts: 23,883
    I agree that the skyscraper sequence in Mi3 isn't handled well. I always thought they left it to the imagination because they wanted to avoid comparisons to the escape sequence in MI2. If they showed it, they would have had to top the earlier film and perhaps they didn't want two sequences in consecutive films that were too similar.
  • Mendes4LyfeMendes4Lyfe The long road ahead
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    I think that sequence is very good.
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    I also think that sequence is excellent.
  • talos7talos7 New Orleans
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    bondjames wrote: »
    I agree that the skyscraper sequence in Mi3 isn't handled well. I always thought they left it to the imagination because they wanted to avoid comparisons to the escape sequence in MI2. If they showed it, they would have had to top the earlier film and perhaps they didn't want two sequences in consecutive films that were too similar.

    I agree with this, other than the opinion that it isn't handled well.

    I've never had a bit of a problem with the sequence and the more I think about it, the showing of what went on inside the building is completely unnecessary. I actually like when a filmmaker has the courage, and confidence in the audience, to allow some things to be left to the imagination,
  • 0BradyM0Bondfanatic70BradyM0Bondfanatic7 Quantum Floral Arrangements: "We Have Petals Everywhere"
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    I feel like the budget was lower for the film for some reason, because there's a lot of snipping in MI3 where scenes should be that would probably be too costly to do, including the escape and the weird parachute escape that feels super fake. I get the feeling the team did what they could for budget, but didn't try to impress.

    The best action moment of the film is the escape of Davian, far and away, and that's where it peaks.
  • talos7talos7 New Orleans
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    Oh well, we'll just have to, as they say, agree to disagree on this one. :D
  • 0BradyM0Bondfanatic70BradyM0Bondfanatic7 Quantum Floral Arrangements: "We Have Petals Everywhere"
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    I and others wouldn't have an issue with it if the movie didn't focus on the plan and how impossible it was over and over again.

    "Ethan, you've never faced something like this before!"

    "We're never going to do this!"

    "I know we're IMF, but this is too much for us!"


    And the like.

    They could've just got on with it and shut up about the plan, and then the criticisms wouldn't be so heavy. But as it stands it's the equivalent of if the scene in MI where Ethan got inside the CIA just showed him coming up into the vent again and we saw nothing that came before it, or in MI4 if we just skipped to Ethan launching through the window on his rope. It's just boring.
  • talos7talos7 New Orleans
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    OK got it.
  • Mendes4LyfeMendes4Lyfe The long road ahead
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    I and others wouldn't have an issue with it if the movie didn't focus on the plan and how impossible it was over and over again.

    "Ethan, you've never faced something like this before!"

    "We're never going to do this!"

    "I know we're IMF, but this is too much for us!"


    And the like.

    They could've just got on with it and shut up about the plan, and then the criticisms wouldn't be so heavy. But as it stands it's the equivalent of if the scene in MI where Ethan got inside the CIA just showed him coming up into the vent again and we saw nothing that came before it, or in MI4 if we just skipped to Ethan launching through the window on his rope. It's just boring.

    Hmm. I see your point, however I do think this can be a good, efficient way to save the viewer time and the production money, If used effectively. Plus the element of the unknown is spun into a bit of humour. It's effective I think, for what it is.
  • 0BradyM0Bondfanatic70BradyM0Bondfanatic7 Quantum Floral Arrangements: "We Have Petals Everywhere"
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    As I said above, it's clear the budget was hurting, and I think corners were cut that impacted what they could show. Which is a shame.
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    As I said above, it's clear the budget was hurting, and I think corners were cut that impacted what they could show. Which is a shame.

    As shown with SF & SP perhaps less is more, the stunts and chases in the last three MI movies were all superior to anything 007 has had to offer in recent installments. With a chase around Rome that was so expensive but at no moment ver showed why it did cost so much?
    With TC & MI we do get movies that really try and push the enveloppe with the action spy thriller in recent years as The Bourne crew dis in their own way.
    And the Bond franchise became a muddled mess of personal stuff instead of decently scripted spy & adventure movie. It is why they have been around so long but perhaps with Mendes & Craig we finally see that they run out of ideas or visionary directors who can install some power into the franchise.

  • 0BradyM0Bondfanatic70BradyM0Bondfanatic7 Quantum Floral Arrangements: "We Have Petals Everywhere"
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    Yes, of course. I miss the visionary talents of Apted, Spottiswoode and Tamahori.
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    Yes, of course. I miss the visionary talents of Apted, Spottiswoode and Tamahori.

    To be honest you must be alone in that aspect. ;)

    All three a decent workman directors and have delivered some excellent work outside of the 007 franchise.

    While Mendes might have looked like a winner both his movies with Craig are a movement in the wrong direction and have the same problem DAD has, a director who follows his own vision instead of a decent script.

    After CR & QoB I feel robbed by Mendes with his vision for 007, it is mostly a mess.

  • CraigMooreOHMSSCraigMooreOHMSS Dublin, Ireland
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    SaintMark wrote: »
    Yes, of course. I miss the visionary talents of Apted, Spottiswoode and Tamahori.

    To be honest you must be alone in that aspect. ;)

    All three a decent workman directors and have delivered some excellent work outside of the 007 franchise.

    While Mendes might have looked like a winner both his movies with Craig are a movement in the wrong direction and have the same problem DAD has, a director who follows his own vision instead of a decent script.

    After CR & QoB I feel robbed by Mendes with his vision for 007, it is mostly a mess.

    Sarcasm never did translate well over text, @0Brady.

    I agree with you, @SaintMark on a lot of what you are saying, though. There is definitely a feeling from where I am standing that things got creatively stale very quickly.
  • 0BradyM0Bondfanatic70BradyM0Bondfanatic7 Quantum Floral Arrangements: "We Have Petals Everywhere"
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    SaintMark wrote: »
    Yes, of course. I miss the visionary talents of Apted, Spottiswoode and Tamahori.

    To be honest you must be alone in that aspect. ;)

    All three a decent workman directors and have delivered some excellent work outside of the 007 franchise.

    While Mendes might have looked like a winner both his movies with Craig are a movement in the wrong direction and have the same problem DAD has, a director who follows his own vision instead of a decent script.

    After CR & QoB I feel robbed by Mendes with his vision for 007, it is mostly a mess.

    Sarcasm never did translate well over text, @0Brady.

    Yes, I noticed that too. And to think I could've left this world with people thinking I liked those three directors. There's worse ways, though. Still, strike it from the record.
  • ClarkDevlinClarkDevlin Martinis, Girls and Guns
    edited March 2017 Posts: 15,423
    If only the artistic determination of the conquests done in the hands of Uwe Boll could make an exploration to further parts of the world...
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    I have to say I found Rogue Nation very disappointing.

    The MI series doesn't have spectacular writing imo. Ethan Hunt is barely even a character he's that generic, imo, and the premise itself is basically James Bond but with less style, less sex and more Tom Cruise.

    But what I've always found enjoyable is how different the films are. You always got something new. GP was the best one, I thought. It was a brilliant action film and felt like such a breath of fresh air at the time (when we were still very much in gritty reboot land and Bond had abandoned the gadgets and the OTT stuff). I loved it.

    But instead of doing what the series has always done (kept what works, ditched what doesn't, but always putting a fresh new spin on things) they decided to try and top it with Rogue Nation. To me, RN is to GP what MR is to TSWLM. A big bloated follow up that misunderstands that part of the appeal of the last one was how much of a breath of fresh air it felt.

    People like Simon Pegg's character? Lets abandon the team dynamic (one of the few things saving the series from coming off as a cheap Bond knockoff) and sideline the character we built up as the leads best friend in the first three to make it a buddy film with him. But it's okay, he can have some forced banter with Jeremy Renner instead because people liked the humour in the last one. People liked the skyscraper stunt? Lets strap him to a plane, send him underwater, etc, and mercilessly hype these sequences up beforehand only for them to turn out to come across as just as bland and disappointing as the rest of the film (the plane stunt lasted what, all of 10 seconds? Basically the whole thing was in the trailers).

    Don't get me wrong, RN was fine. Well made and some good action scenes. But I can't believe that people were hyping it up as an amazing revolutionary action film. It was really nothing special imo.

    The hints at actually giving Ethan some character give me some hope for the sixth one but with it being the same director (who's already hyping an EVEN BIGGER stunt?!?!) I'm not holding my breath. I know this is coming across as very snarky and cynical, it's just that all the hype made RN a very disappointing experience for me when I did eventually watch it (don't regret missing it at the cinema at all), so I can't really muster up much enthusiasm for the next one. Shame as up until then I was very much a fan. Even enjoyed the second one.
  • 0BradyM0Bondfanatic70BradyM0Bondfanatic7 Quantum Floral Arrangements: "We Have Petals Everywhere"
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    @thelivingroyale, I've only seen RN once (need to do a revisit of them all soon), but I get your perspective. I think RN was solidly good, but I too didn't feel like my life was never the same after seeing it. It's a fun romp, but didn't stay with me. I quite like GP and its stunts, but even that had big flaws, especially in the villain department.

    I think that's the issue with every film of this modern era outside exceptions like The Dark Knight: there's not many well written or truly memorable baddies for the heroes to face, or at least ones that feel fresh. This is a hurdle franchises like Bond must always face in each film to massive degrees, as the villain in a Bond film is a trope on its own.

    I look forward to MI6, and await to see just what McQuarrie means when he says he wants to take a deeper look into Hunt. He's speaking of taking it back to the past of the franchise with some faces returning, and at the very least I'm fascinated to know what the overall plot will be, and what Ethan's driving motivation is.
  • doubleoegodoubleoego #LightWork
    edited March 2017 Posts: 11,139
    Forget Cavill ever being Bond. He's just been cast in the new Mission Impossible film

    http://www.comingsoon.net/movies/news/827017-henry-cavill-joins-the-mission-impossible-6-cast
  • BennyBenny Shaken not stirredAdministrator, Moderator
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    I wonder if Cavill will play an Mi6 agent. Perhaps a nod to him not being Bond.
  • MurdockMurdock The minus world
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    doubleoego wrote: »
    Forget Cavill ever being Bond. He's just been cast in the new Mission Impossible film

    http://www.comingsoon.net/movies/news/827017-henry-cavill-joins-the-mission-impossible-6-cast

    Didn't stop Sydoux from being in a Bond film.
  • 0BradyM0Bondfanatic70BradyM0Bondfanatic7 Quantum Floral Arrangements: "We Have Petals Everywhere"
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    Being an MI6 agent in MI:6 would be just enough on the nose to work.
  • doubleoegodoubleoego #LightWork
    edited March 2017 Posts: 11,139
    Murdock wrote: »
    doubleoego wrote: »
    Forget Cavill ever being Bond. He's just been cast in the new Mission Impossible film

    http://www.comingsoon.net/movies/news/827017-henry-cavill-joins-the-mission-impossible-6-cast

    Didn't stop Sydoux from being in a Bond film.

    Seydoux was in it for 5 minutes and had like, one line. Many people don't even know she's in Ghost Protocol. Also, she's not Cavill who will have a larger role and who people will obviously remember. EoN definitely wont cast him now that he would have been in UNCLE and now MI.
  • BennyBenny Shaken not stirredAdministrator, Moderator
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    doubleoego wrote: »
    EoN definitely wont cast him now that he would have been in UNCLE and now MI.

    Never say never @doubleoego He made the final two for CR. EON have often looked at former potential Bond's when it comes to casting the next one.
    Cavill is now well known, and more bankable. Could be just what they want when it come time for #7.

    I'm very happy with the MI films. 4 and 5 have been brilliant additions to the franchise. Sadly MI is out Bonding Bond in nearly every department lately. I look forward to seeing what they can do with this 6th film.

  • doubleoegodoubleoego #LightWork
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    Yeah I'm aware of how close he was to becoming Bond for CR. Campbell really championed him but I'm afraid I'm going to have to say it's never going to happen. EoN aren't going to cast an actor who is well known as Superman and would have had a leading role in UNCLE and MI.
  • M_BaljeM_Balje Amsterdam, Netherlands
    edited March 2017 Posts: 4,515
    Ethan sometimes you think you are Superman

    Ethan: Iam

    Someday it will be your death

    --

    Ethan thinks he is superman, some day that wil be lead to his death.

    Ethan: That you wearing glases don't make you smart is it

    --

    Scene idea for introducing: Cavill chacter enter a phonebooth to take call and then smoke pop up and then wake up later. Alternate: His chacter died.

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    I am wondering if Cavil is playing the villain perhaps he is the fallout of the syndicate demise?
  • DaltonCraig007DaltonCraig007 They say, "Evil prevails when good men fail to act." What they ought to say is, "Evil prevails."
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    @M_Balje what about Tom Cruise's character using a tow truck to bring Cavill's character to a secret location? ;)
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