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  • 0BradyM0Bondfanatic70BradyM0Bondfanatic7 Quantum Floral Arrangements: "We Have Petals Everywhere"
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    @patb, I like your ending idea, but I just don't think it fits this particular franchise.

    And death is not always the most dramatic thing to do, and often isn't close. At its worst, a death can actually be hilarious because of a writer's desperation to make the audience feel something for characters the movie itself has failed to connect you with. I was recently watching something where I did the same thing: I cared 0% for the characters being depicted before me and when one of them died in the most predictable and pseudo-emotional way possible I broke into heavy laughter because I couldn't believe it was that on the nose and transparent.

    I don't think I would laugh if Ethan died, as I like him more than a blank slate character, but I would be disappointed.
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    When the audience love a character (and the actor) and, therfore, have a deep emotional investment in the character and the situation, the potential for a good death scene is immense. Obviously, it then has to be executed correctly (the last 2 MI movies have shown IMHO that the present production team really have found a great balance between action and character ) so I would trust them to nail it.

    Within Hunts death? not a dry eye in the house. As with Spock's death (and M actually), it would cast a shadow over the whole movie so a tool would be needed (hence my idea) to raise the spirits of the audience and end with something uplifting/optimistic. ("with pleasure, M, with pleasure")

    All MI movies have always focussed on the team ellement (more so recently) so, based on this, the team (and therefore the franchise) would survive the death of one team member. No one person is bigger than the team and the task in hand. The some of the parts etc etc
  • 0BradyM0Bondfanatic70BradyM0Bondfanatic7 Quantum Floral Arrangements: "We Have Petals Everywhere"
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    Sometimes that is the case, yes, but I don't think a Hunt death is the supreme pathway to ultimate audience emotion. I think more eyes would be dry than wet, actually, as people don't go to these films to see Tom Cruise die, they want him to do great stunts. I guess you could say the same for Bond films, but where the recent era is concerned I think Craig and co. consciously conditioned audiences from the very beginning in CR that these were films that were going to go to places other Bond films hadn't, and depict some emotional and human scenes. When Vesper died, we knew what we were getting. But people don't view MI as being that, so I think a surprise brutal and emotional death of Hunt could leave a bad taste.

    Character death can simply smack too much of audience manipulation and has become such an easy road to getting people worked up, but I think you can create just as genuine and heartfelt a reaction by allowing a character to ride off into the sunset. There's simply better "tools" out there, and I think the latter is more suitable for what people expect to see in an MI film.

    But who knows. McQuarrie promised that the next film would go deeper into Hunt's character and have a personal angle, so maybe they are setting themselves up to surprise audiences by delivering an MI that is less about action and laughs and more about action and high drama that would better facilitate a more consequential ending for the character. We'll just have to wait and see. (Though, as with others, I don't think this is Tom's last film anyway, so his "ending" may still be a ways off)
  • bondjamesbondjames You were expecting someone else?
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    I'll be ok with them killing Hunt off, but it all depends on how it's done. If they go there, I'd rather not have any of the SF/Star Trek 2 clutching waterworks, but rather it be something massively heroic. Hunt making the choice to sacrifice himself for the greater good. That would be in keeping with his character.

    It certainly can be done, but I'm ambivalent about whether it should be done.
  • 0BradyM0Bondfanatic70BradyM0Bondfanatic7 Quantum Floral Arrangements: "We Have Petals Everywhere"
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    bondjames wrote: »
    I'll be ok with them killing Hunt off, but it all depends on how it's done. If they go there, I'd rather not have any of the SF/Star Trek 2 clutching waterworks, but rather it be something massively heroic. Hunt making the choice to sacrifice himself for the greater good. That would be in keeping with his character.

    It certainly can be done, but I'm ambivalent about whether it should be done.

    You're exactly right, @bondjames. For these kinds of characters there's no other way for them to go than sacrificially in the name of a cause. If any death fit Hunt the most it would be that one, and the same for Bond. I recall Bond mentioning the boy on the burning deck in Moonraker: he's prepared to do down with his ship.
  • bondjamesbondjames You were expecting someone else?
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    bondjames wrote: »
    I'll be ok with them killing Hunt off, but it all depends on how it's done. If they go there, I'd rather not have any of the SF/Star Trek 2 clutching waterworks, but rather it be something massively heroic. Hunt making the choice to sacrifice himself for the greater good. That would be in keeping with his character.

    It certainly can be done, but I'm ambivalent about whether it should be done.

    You're exactly right, @bondjames. For these kinds of characters there's no other way for them to go than sacrificially in the name of a cause. If any death fit Hunt the most it would be that one, and the same for Bond. I recall Bond mentioning the boy on the burning deck in Moonraker: he's prepared to do down with his ship.
    Indeed @0BradyM0Bondfanatic7 . I was actually thinking of the scene at the end of TDKR when I made my last post, which was quite fitting. Of course Bat didn't die, but that's the way it could be done, but without the melodramatic funeral stuff that followed.

    Rather, I can see it working tonally if there's a bit more action to follow afterwards, so that the audience registers the magnitude of the occurrence but is also focused on the need for the rest of the team to still get out of danger. Then there can be a more sombre acknowledgement of his contributions at the end of the film, perhaps with an IMF/CIA tribute scene. Somewhat like what occurred with Solo in SW-TFA, although that film perhaps could have done with a bit more recognition of what happened.
  • 0BradyM0Bondfanatic70BradyM0Bondfanatic7 Quantum Floral Arrangements: "We Have Petals Everywhere"
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    bondjames wrote: »
    bondjames wrote: »
    I'll be ok with them killing Hunt off, but it all depends on how it's done. If they go there, I'd rather not have any of the SF/Star Trek 2 clutching waterworks, but rather it be something massively heroic. Hunt making the choice to sacrifice himself for the greater good. That would be in keeping with his character.

    It certainly can be done, but I'm ambivalent about whether it should be done.

    You're exactly right, @bondjames. For these kinds of characters there's no other way for them to go than sacrificially in the name of a cause. If any death fit Hunt the most it would be that one, and the same for Bond. I recall Bond mentioning the boy on the burning deck in Moonraker: he's prepared to do down with his ship.
    Indeed @0BradyM0Bondfanatic7 . I was actually thinking of the scene at the end of TDKR when I made my last post, which was quite fitting. Of course Bat didn't die, but that's the way it could be done, but without the melodramatic funeral stuff that followed.

    Rather, I can see it working tonally if there's a bit more action to follow afterwards, so that the audience registers the magnitude of the occurrence but is also focused on the need for the rest of the team to still get out of danger. Then there can be a more sombre acknowledgement of his contributions at the end of the film, perhaps with an IMF/CIA tribute scene. Somewhat like what occurred with Solo in SW-TFA, although that film perhaps could have done with a bit more recognition of what happened.

    @bondjames, and a death that was followed without all the pomp of a funeral and the usual dramatics would actually make sense as well for the MI series, because every movie has the usual line of, "Should you or any of your team be caught or killed, the Secretary will disavow any knowledge of your actions" to drive home the consequence of the mission at hand. Ethan as an agent knows that his death will be hidden from everyone and masked/covered up as something else for the public (if the public know at all), so like Bond his true sacrifice can't ever be known and he can't actually get any medals given to his name. To have Hunt die and there be no big parade or funeral would drive home the idea that he gave his life selflessly despite the fact that nobody could ever know of the sacrifice and that says more about his character than anything.

    I also agree that his death, if it is sacrificial, should be followed by the rest of his team using the window he gave to them to get out of their situation. By adding in a little more action that showed the team trying to still survive we could see firsthand what Ethan's sacrifice allowed the team to go on to do, underscoring that he didn't give it all up in vain.
  • ClarkDevlinClarkDevlin Martinis, Girls and Guns
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    Sorry, but no. No to death of Ethan Hunt.
  • Sorry, but no. No to death of Ethan Hunt.

    I agree wholeheartedly. There must be still place for a franchise which doesn't do heavy drama/melodrama.
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  • ClarkDevlinClarkDevlin Martinis, Girls and Guns
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    Sorry, but no. No to death of Ethan Hunt.

    I agree wholeheartedly. There must be still place for a franchise which doesn't do heavy drama/melodrama.
    Great minds always think alike, @noSolaceleft.
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    My take on killing him off is that the audience wouldn't really get emotional because there's not much to him as a character imo. They may as well just call him Tom Cruise because nobody actually goes to see these movies for Ethan Hunt. They go for the stunts and maybe the banter between the characters. So kill him, don't kill him, I'm not that arsed either way. I still think that killing off Craig Bond could be a really fitting way to end the current era though if done right.

    I am interested to see if they do an actual ending of some sort for these films that Cruise is starting to look his age. I think there'll be a seventh film, maybe an eighth, but no more than that. Or at least no more with him as the lead doing all the big stunts.
  • ClarkDevlinClarkDevlin Martinis, Girls and Guns
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    So, when is the first trailer's release anticipated?

    Could we be getting one next month? or in February?
  • Creasy47Creasy47 In Cuba with Natalya.Moderator
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    I'm hoping they start the marketing sooner rather than later, but I could easily see the first trailer premiering during the Super Bowl.
  • Creasy47Creasy47 In Cuba with Natalya.Moderator
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    I'm sure this has been shared before, but it's so great and worthy of a viewing. Makes the setpiece that much more exciting for me:

  • ClarkDevlinClarkDevlin Martinis, Girls and Guns
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    Right! McQuarrie should direct Bond!
  • Creasy47Creasy47 In Cuba with Natalya.Moderator
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    Right! McQuarrie should direct Bond!

    He can craft a setpiece, that's for damn sure. That's another M:I crossover I wouldn't mind seeing, alongside seeing Rebecca Ferguson play a Bond girl.
  • CASINOROYALECASINOROYALE Somewhere hot
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    The last one I saw in theaters and it wasn’t bad but I feel like it was weaker compared to the rest? Maybe it’s just me. I haven’t seen it in awhile however.
  • bondjamesbondjames You were expecting someone else?
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    The last one I saw in theaters and it wasn’t bad but I feel like it was weaker compared to the rest? Maybe it’s just me. I haven’t seen it in awhile however.
    I found it just alright upon first viewing. It was with the second viewing that I really began to appreciate it though, and it's grown on me even more with each subsequent viewing.
  • ClarkDevlinClarkDevlin Martinis, Girls and Guns
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    GP is still the best for me. RN is only a small dot behind.

    The weakest? That’s the third.
  • Sorry, but no. No to death of Ethan Hunt.

    I agree wholeheartedly. There must be still place for a franchise which doesn't do heavy drama/melodrama.
    Great minds always think alike, @noSolaceleft.

    They have to, since they are so heavily outnumbered from day one.
  • ClarkDevlinClarkDevlin Martinis, Girls and Guns
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    Sorry, but no. No to death of Ethan Hunt.

    I agree wholeheartedly. There must be still place for a franchise which doesn't do heavy drama/melodrama.
    Great minds always think alike, @noSolaceleft.

    They have to, since they are so heavily outnumbered from day one.
    True True!
  • The last one I saw in theaters and it wasn’t bad but I feel like it was weaker compared to the rest? Maybe it’s just me. I haven’t seen it in awhile however.

    It's not just you @CASINOROYALE. I was really disappointed. Well made and everything but to me it just felt so safe. I think if Ghost Protocol was TSWLM (fresh, exciting) then Rogue Nation was MR (just repeating what worked, technically impressive but doesn't have the same energy). Just felt bland imo. I'm hoping the next one feels different from the rest, the same way the first four films did.
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    As long as MI2 exists it will always be far weaker than any of the others in the series. No team element, yet another traitor/rogue agent and more of a Woo movie than MI, complete with the pigeons.
  • CASINOROYALECASINOROYALE Somewhere hot
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    The last one I saw in theaters and it wasn’t bad but I feel like it was weaker compared to the rest? Maybe it’s just me. I haven’t seen it in awhile however.

    It's not just you @CASINOROYALE. I was really disappointed. Well made and everything but to me it just felt so safe. I think if Ghost Protocol was TSWLM (fresh, exciting) then Rogue Nation was MR (just repeating what worked, technically impressive but doesn't have the same energy). Just felt bland imo. I'm hoping the next one feels different from the rest, the same way the first four films did.

    GP was pretty badass. The sand storm...
  • bondjamesbondjames You were expecting someone else?
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    For some reason GP reminds me more of a Gilbert film and RN reminds me more of a Glen film. Not sure why. I think it's more to do with the scale of the threat in the former outing, while the latter is a comparably more intimate affair.
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    Hunt's future is and interesting one for any MI fan. The options are broadly:
    1. Retire to spend time with family
    2. Promoted to a Jim Phelps role
    3. Disappear with the potential of return some time
    4. Death

    My own preference would be death. As mentioned, it would have to be sacrificial and it could be to save the team and, if witnessed by the whole team (but not admitted by the gov) surely it would bring the rest of the team together?

    I do hope that Cruise's vanity does not get the better of him. He needs to realise he can't go on forever.
  • ClarkDevlinClarkDevlin Martinis, Girls and Guns
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    Like I said, cliched "death of protagonist" scenes are very worn out. It's lazy and uninspired, only because the writers have run out of ideas and don't know how to capture the audience's attention and liking with anything else. Melodrama be damned.
  • Creasy47Creasy47 In Cuba with Natalya.Moderator
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    Like I said, cliched "death of protagonist" scenes are very worn out. It's lazy and uninspired, only because the writers have run out of ideas and don't know how to capture the audience's attention and liking with anything else. Melodrama be damned.

    I tire of that nearly as much as I'm tired of characters returning for a sequel and dying in the first few minutes. Was frequent in a lot of films this year, I felt.
  • ClarkDevlinClarkDevlin Martinis, Girls and Guns
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    Creasy47 wrote: »
    Like I said, cliched "death of protagonist" scenes are very worn out. It's lazy and uninspired, only because the writers have run out of ideas and don't know how to capture the audience's attention and liking with anything else. Melodrama be damned.

    I tire of that nearly as much as I'm tired of characters returning for a sequel and dying in the first few minutes. Was frequent in a lot of films this year, I felt.
    It has been in a lot of things for the past ten years I'm starting to develop a desire of not watching or reading anything. Use character death as an attentive drama... Because they're out of ideas.
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