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Either that, or maybe, just maybe, he produced better films than his daughter (shock, horror!)
So because it made money, as a fan I'm supposed to be grateful for that, and not dare criticise the film? I don't think DAD should have been made either, even though that made money.
If a film is crap (which NTTD and DAD most definitely are) but make money, then no fan is allowed to say those films shouldn't have been made? Is this your logic?
I think they’ve both produced some very good and very bad films, Bond has always been very hit and miss. Barbara’s just been unfortunate enough to have her run coincide with the age of the internet. If this site existed in Cubby’s day then I think the likes of TMWTGG and MR would have drawn just as much vitrol as DAD used to do. People have just calmed down about those ones now, and the bad stuff that at the time would’ve seemed like an affront to the legacy of the series has since become part of that legacy. The same will happen with Bond dying. New fans who grew up with that as part of the series won’t care because to them that’s how it’s always been, and even the older fans will move on to talking about the new films once they come out. So, eventually the dust will settle, there’ll be new stuff to get angry over or passionately defend depending on your perspective, and we’ll have people saying Barbara produced better films than Gregg, and that NTTD really isn’t that bad compared to Bond 47.
Can you even begin to imagine what the Do You Prefer NSNA or Octopussy? thread would look like in 1983?
Yes good point. I think DAF would have been crucified if the internet existed back then.
Cubby gets an automatic free pass though, as so many of his films are outright classics - all 60's Bonds, arguably TSWLM too (even though I'm not a fan personally), and then most of the 80's are superb. Even GE falls under his watch.
Under Babs reign we have had one outright classic with CR, and arguably a second with SF. The rest of the films rate very average at best, and then we have the outright stinker (DAD), and I'm guessing in years to come NTTD will be seen that way too.
A-TeamFan26: That new Bond movie with Connery was RADICAL!
MCPfromTron: Hold on, mister! Octopussy was way better.
A-TeamFan26: Ow yeah? I've got 75 kilobyte of computing power telling me something else.
MCPfromTron: I bet your computer doesn't have a graphical user interface like my Lisa!
A-TeamFan26: You're like that comedian, Eddie Murphy, who thinks he can act. Ha! Like he's going to have a career in film. He's just as bad as your Roger Moore.
MCPfromTron: You've got yourself an enemy, buster! I bet you can't even dance to Billie Jean.
A-TeamFan26: You are a NERD!
MCPfromTron: I'm out of here. I've got a CHESS game on my computer! I bet you don't. So I'm going to have some fun on my own. So long, loser!
You know that basing predictions upon personal hard feelings is not really wise, right?
Barbara with Daniel pulled off the most successful era since Connery’s golden age so I wouldn’t dismiss her work so easily.
Regarding the 80s the only superb entries were with Dalton imo but they almost killed the franchise.
You could at least try being thankful that, since the films made money, more Bond films will be forthcoming and there is at least a chance that future offerings could be more to your liking. If the Bond films start losing money rather than making it, Bond 26 & 27 & 28 will never be made.
And no, NTTD is not "definitely crap." You can say that you don't like it... but if you were being honest in your posts you'd at least allow (as many others who don't like the movie have) that it is skillfully made.
And finally, on the issue of what films should or should not have been made -- the movie business is PRIMARILY about making money. Everything else is secondary. The only reason a film should not be made is if it fails to turn a profit. If you didn't like it, you're allowed to say so -- but please, be realistic about these things. Or resign yourself to being disparaged in forums like this.
Should I start a competing thread then? "Why This Thread Should Change Its Name."
PS: "It's my sister. It's my daughter. It's my sister. It's my daughter......"
I will agree with you that technically NTTD was very well made. Script wise, absolutely not.
OP is not a bad film, neither is FYEO, but yes AVTAK is. Cubby is allowed one crap film per decade (although in the 70's there was more than one). ;)
Sure thing, but that would be me. Everyone else is too confused.
Exactly!
Hell Barbara did it twice. Some folks may not love the Brosnan entries today, but at the time of their releases people where holding those movies up in high regard when they came out, but not to the extent of Craig’s. Still, same point about Barbara’s abilities rings true, she’s a wonderful producer. Hell one can even make the argument that Craig’s era has been more successful than Connery’s with all the critical praise it’s received, even if some of the Craig films don’t hit me as much as others.
Hey Nick, you're a nosey guy. ;)
It's crappy. It's brilliant. It's crappy. It's brilliant. It's crappy AND it's brilliant!
LOL, post of the day! Well done.
You just described every Bond film ever made according to the collective consciousness of MI6.
One man's Goldfinger is another man's A View To A Kill.
Or you could love them both like me x)
I actually enjoy AVTAK a good bit; I was spitballin'.
I think it's funny that there's no Bond movie that's universally hated on here. I'll bet there's even a fan or two for CR'67.....