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Serial killer is a bit too real-world for Bond to tackle for my tastes....I prefer the "cleaner' world of assassins.
I still think that Gardner novel where the bounty hunters (?) were chasing Bond across the continent could work as a higher-concept for Bond.
Brilliant idea for PTS and new 007. Rest of the movie should be new standalone mission (no reboots/remakes).
Like TMWTGG book where bond has been brainwashed by Blofeld, it would mean the same Bond universe exists and gets us out of the current mess (as much as I’m not a fan of ‘it was all a dream’, I could live with Bond’s torture being the reasoning).
It would also mean that Blofeld lives on, the whole daughter thing goes away and the MI6 building wasn’t destroyed as it could have all being played inside Bond’s conscious. But maybe I’m being too hopeful?
Bond goes undercover as Mark Hazard, and meets their deadly hitman Pistols S, and gets to know their inner workings, mud bath deaths, horse race gambling, etc. Anyone who knows their Fleming will know exactly where these ideas are taken from.
Keep it tough, violent, edgy, hardcore. No more family angst crap, far fetched nanobots, or retcon garbage. Just Fleming and gangsters!
This way they've adapted all the best unused Fleming scenes in one go, and given a different direction too for the next actor.
I wrote a blog on the subject here - http://broadcastingtechnologyindustry.blogspot.com/2021/
Agreed! 👍
I like the idea of Bond vs gangsters as a nice FYEO, back to earth sort of film, but I’m not sure mashing together all those unused Fleming scenes works very well. I think the Spangs could work, but it’s a fine line to walk. If you don’t modernise them enough then it could run the risk of seeming a bit naff and dated now personally, like when Adrian Brody tried to do the Brando Godfather thing in Peaky Blinders. It’s very hard to write those sorts of old fashioned mafia style gangsters without slipping into caricature, and I don’t think it’d feel very relevant to today at all. But if we are keeping them, why are we also doing the Blades card game and the stuff from TMWTGG? Is the idea of an old school American mob having that kind of power and influence a bit old fashioned? It’s not so much the implausability of the mob influencing British politics and having an outfit in the Carribean for me, I love a good implausible Bond film. It just seems a bit dated imo.
Maybe they could do something with Russian gangsters instead, with links to Putin’s inner circle that could be hinted at with just the right amount of vagueness (because EON will never show another country as outright baddies). I think that’d have a nice back to basics feel, Bond vs the Russians in a stripped down dirty crime thriller, while still feeling very modern and relevant.
As for gangsters, well that’s what Quantum and Spectre basically are isn’t it? Massive organised crime- that’s kind of all Bond can ever take on in the movies. So I don’t think there’s anything especially different about suggesting he goes after organised crime.
The Rhyolite Train Station
Yeah maybe not, it might be a bit too political for Bond. And I think the difference there is “massive”. I’m thinking of lower level crime organisations rooted in a couple of locations, rather than a Quantum/Spectre type thing. Bond fought Mr Big’s organisation right after finishing his last round with Blofeld/Spectre, but I think the smaller scope of LALD is one of many things that helped to give it different feeling flavour. It’s not my favourite idea, but I do think we probably need something a bit more stripped down after how big and epic NTTD was.
It's a fine line to walk but could be done if you hire the right people. If they can come up with nanobots as plausible, and audiences buy it, organised crime with nasty people isn't that far fetched either.
And doesn't need to be American gangsters either, although they usually work best. A political figure with links to organised crime isn't that far fetched either. Watch the chainsaw shower scene in Scarface, or Carlito's Way when Pacino is setting up the pool table trick shot as he knows something bad is about to happen, and there is nothing dated about that. It's just suspense and good old tense moments on screen. I'd love to see moments like that in Bond again, like when Dalton is thrown onto the stone cutter conveyor belt in LTK.
Give me Sanchez over Safin any day of the week.
Nice. You could easily incorporate those moments with the train scene at the end of TMWTGG.
Maybe, I quite like 007 saving the world but I guess it all depends how it’s made: CR was pretty small-scale after all (and was basically about gangsters). Mr Big’s plan was to flood the whole USA with cheap drugs, so pretty big I’d say.
All Bond films are basically about gangsters, there are only a couple of exceptions like Octopussy, and even there it’s a political plan associated with gangsters.
Not really. The ending to LTK is a truck chase, with Bond chasing the villain. The ending to TMWTGG is Bond on board an organised rail trip with a group of gangsters, with a plan to kill Bond as part of the entertainment. Little did they know Bond was in on it, or what they were dealing with.
Bond pursuing a bloody Scaramanga in the swamps to kill him does have very loose similarities to Bond and Sanchez final confrontation, but again its not a scene we have really seen adapted before.
A bloodied villain killing a snake for food while laying on the ground, wounded, Bond drawing his gun on the villain, knowing he has to kill a wounded man in cold blood, the villain saying his last prayer before Bond has to kill the man. There is a lot of potential still there with that final scene.
Anytime there's been a gangster in the film series (think GF or DAF), it's also been terrible. The best is probably the beginning of TMWTGG, but even that is cringeworthy (when the skeleton drops down).
I still think there is a lot of potential there. LTK showed how effective gangsters can be, with Sanchez playing one of the best villains ever.
Kidd and Wint kicking Bond half to death sounds far more intriguing than anything we got in NTTD, as does Bond rescuing Viv Michel from a grisly rape and death moment at a closed down motel.
And it doesn't mean by adapting DAF, TSWLM or TMWTGG that the locations need to be adapted too. These scenes could play out literarily anywhere.
https://www.mi6community.com/discussion/8687/the-spangled-mob-for-bond-25
It's a very similar set up for a climax though: Bond gaining the baddie's trust by claiming to work for him, the baddie showing off his latest big innovation to a bunch of gangsters by taking them to it, Bond being revealed as a goodie and taking them down on the baddie's moving vehicle etc. It's an adaptation of that and is bigger and more cinematic.
Pretty much all of them are gangsters. I guess the exception would be the ones who are heads of large corporations who are secretly planning something evil- they're not into organised crime per se.
To anyone who says “Eon have never done that before” I would say that NTTD provides a textbook example of Eon doing something they never did before.
Wouldn't shock me if some plot ideas of book Moonraker, which they've never done, could get used as a beginning for 26 with a new one.
Fleming actually wrote an unproduced script for an MR film. Could any of that be repurposed? Be pretty good for PR if they could launch a new Bond with Fleming's name among the writers of the screenplay!